wo0t ACTUALLY should've kept playing duelist

and there's nothing you can say about it, check the facts:

• In Masters Shanghai, wo0t had the 2nd highest ACS at 248 from swiss stage to the grand final while Derke (with 258 ACS) is 1st after being eliminated in just two matches, so wo0t pretty much had the highest ACS that matters. wo0t also had the 2nd highest ADR at 158 (1st still Derke, but thats still irrelevant), highest KPR at 0.87, highest FKPR at 0.24, and 2nd highest KD shared with t3xture that's just .001 off of Meteor who's 1st (1.21 vs 1.22)). Since Shanghai didn't have ratings, I feel like wo0t would've placed 2nd or even 1st.

• In Champions Seoul, despite TH still making the Grand Final, Miniboo had only an average of a 0.97 rating, 206 ACS, 0.99 KD, 0.72 KPR, 134 ADR, 0.16 FKPR, the mediocracy keeps going on. As sad as it is, even when wo0t was playing flex galore in Champs, his stats were still similar to Miniboo's when we're looking at the ones that matter for duelists. Miniboo got outshined in his role by a large amount of duelists in the tournament, whereas wo0t was a star in Shanghai.

• In Split 2 of EMEA once Miniboo rejoins the roster, all of these issues are actually magnified. Just look at the stats yourselves for this one https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2094/champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-2

This is absolutely no debate, wo0t is the better duelist and TH fucked up by not making him stick with the role. Miniboo is the definition of mid on the role with the team he has, he proved the haters right and no one is talking about it. Patitek got scammed.

y’all, the patitek roster was not as good as you think, woot was legitimately hard carrying them through the whole event

he is absolutely a better duelist, but he isn’t gonna drop those insane numbers forever (perhaps go positive more, though) and patitek himself isn’t a strong enough player to support another run like this if woot doesn’t do woot things

shrike- [#2]

y’all, the patitek roster was not as good as you think, woot was legitimately hard carrying them through the whole event

he is absolutely a better duelist, but he isn’t gonna drop those insane numbers forever (perhaps go positive more, though) and patitek himself isn’t a strong enough player to support another run like this if woot doesn’t do woot things

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Patitek literally played better in Shanghai than Miniboo did in Seoul. If wo0t has to be on duelist, then Miniboo should not be, it's that simple. You boiling it down to "oooh but wo0t surely can't keep it up!!!" is dumb. I know a coach like Potter would not overlook something so obvious.

sensucks [#3]

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Patitek literally played better in Shanghai than Miniboo did in Seoul. If wo0t has to be on duelist, then Miniboo should not be, it's that simple. You boiling it down to "oooh but wo0t surely can't keep it up!!!" is dumb. I know a coach like Potter would not overlook something so obvious.

rose-tinted glasses

woot isn’t going to have a generational performance like he did in shanghai all the time. he would’ve slowed down a little (like most very good players do), and because patitek himself is about as strong as miniboo mechanically, they would’ve still not been able to close out

if you think th would’ve reached grands without woot having that kind of an event, then you’re unfortunately the one who’s coping

Miniboo did not show up whatsoever in this game. woot and miniboo needed to step up hard for TH to win this finals. Miniboo absolutely shat the bed. Unacceptable numbers as a duelist. The "free" trophy they couldnt capitalize on. They beat teams like SEN, LEV, FNC and DRX by outstratting and outaiming them, but couldnt win a aim duels and dry peeks against Smoggy, Chichoo. Benjyfishy took more first duels and won more first bloods than miniboo. KangKang showed a masterclass of a true duelist these last few games.

sensucks [#3]

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Patitek literally played better in Shanghai than Miniboo did in Seoul. If wo0t has to be on duelist, then Miniboo should not be, it's that simple. You boiling it down to "oooh but wo0t surely can't keep it up!!!" is dumb. I know a coach like Potter would not overlook something so obvious.

Wo0t is a star on Intiator and it fits their team dynamic better.

pattitek was good but woot was HARD carrying with reines and benjy being massive support. they didn't really have an insane initiator/ controller like woot so the comps weren't nearly as flexible since woot couldn't play any other duelist other than raze and jett. the TH comps rn are EXTREMELY flexible plus the average level of the teams at champs is just wayyyy better than that of shanghai. plus woot can't produce those insane numbers all the time. miniboo performed well in the end of their run and carried TH multiple times so he doesn't deserve all the hate that he's getting.

for reference, TH w/ miniboo wr% is much higher than w/o miniboo

sensucks [#3]

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Patitek literally played better in Shanghai than Miniboo did in Seoul. If wo0t has to be on duelist, then Miniboo should not be, it's that simple. You boiling it down to "oooh but wo0t surely can't keep it up!!!" is dumb. I know a coach like Potter would not overlook something so obvious.

also by the way, it seems this site has collectively forgotten miniboo was their best player in kickoff and then slowly began to fall off as the year continued

who’s to say this wouldn’t have happened to woot?

shrike- [#4]

rose-tinted glasses

woot isn’t going to have a generational performance like he did in shanghai all the time. he would’ve slowed down a little (like most very good players do), and because patitek himself is about as strong as miniboo mechanically, they would’ve still not been able to close out

if you think th would’ve reached grands without woot having that kind of an event, then you’re unfortunately the one who’s coping

your dumbass logic applies to literally every and any player that has had an insane tournament you do know that right. You justifying their decision to put Miniboo back on duelist because "wo0t can't keep it up" out of nowhere makes you look very stupid right now.

you know i keep seeing this “wo0t is the better duelist one of a kind generational talent” alongside sucking patiteks dick to no end but…how come they didnt win shanghai then lul

woot on duelist would be sooo good, he is confident, his first bullet accuracy is so good, he has good aim...

woot should just do reverse TenZ from flex to duelist

sensucks [#10]

your dumbass logic applies to literally every and any player that has had an insane tournament you do know that right. You justifying their decision to put Miniboo back on duelist because "wo0t can't keep it up" out of nowhere makes you look very stupid right now.

you’re right, my dumbass logic absolutely can apply to every player which is why it wouldn’t have made much of a difference at all if woot played duelist for this event LMAOOOOOOOOOO

shrike- [#13]

you’re right, my dumbass logic absolutely can apply to every player which is why it wouldn’t have made much of a difference at all if woot played duelist for this event LMAOOOOOOOOOO

because your dumbass logic, is, false. That's the point, that's why its dumb. You're applying it to players that have already disproven that kind of thinking because it literally makes no sense. Leo had an insane performance in LOCK//IN and EMEA last year but your line of thinking leads to Leo not being able to keep it up for Tokyo, do you see the issue here?

How about instead of making up shit, we base future performances on what we've already seen. We've seen wo0t dominate in Shanghai on duelist, why would you assume he wouldn't keep it up in Seoul more than he would? The fuck?

luminescience [#11]

you know i keep seeing this “wo0t is the better duelist one of a kind generational talent” alongside sucking patiteks dick to no end but…how come they didnt win shanghai then lul

they played worse in shanghai gf than this gf which is the funny part

sensucks [#14]

because your dumbass logic, is, false. That's the point, that's why its dumb. You're applying it to players that have already disproven that kind of thinking because it literally makes no sense. Leo had an insane performance in LOCK//IN and EMEA last year but your line of thinking leads to Leo not being able to keep it up for Tokyo, do you see the issue here?

How about instead of making up shit, we base future performances on what we've already seen. We've seen wo0t dominate in Shanghai on duelist, why would you assume he wouldn't keep it up in Seoul more than he would? The fuck?

okay sure, let’s assume woot was playing duelist at champs and patitek was playing in place of miniboo AND woot was still the best player on his team by a wide margin

do you seriously mean to tell me patitek is better individually than miniboo? you can argue util usage but there’s only so much util can do if you can’t shoot back. they still lost shanghai even with woot being arguably the best duelist at the event

kk was by far and away better than ANY player on heretics in the grand final. he would’ve outperformed miniboo or woot on duelist today

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okay sure, let’s assume woot was playing duelist at champs and patitek was playing in place of miniboo AND woot was still the best player on his team by a wide margin

do you seriously mean to tell me patitek is better individually than miniboo? you can argue util usage but there’s only so much util can do if you can’t shoot back. they still lost shanghai even with woot being arguably the best duelist at the event

kk was by far and away better than ANY player on heretics in the grand final. he would’ve outperformed miniboo or woot on duelist today

wo0t on duelist and patitek on the roster brings more than wo0t on flex and miniboo on the roster (as duelist). It's not that hard to understand, and we've already seen it in Shanghai. I'm not expecting them to win Champs, but I do expect an overall better team.

They were 1 map away from being world champions rest please

sensucks [#17]

wo0t on duelist and patitek on the roster brings more than wo0t on flex and miniboo on the roster (as duelist). It's not that hard to understand, and we've already seen it in Shanghai. I'm not expecting them to win Champs, but I do expect an overall better team.

ok so why didnt they win shanghai then

luminescience [#19]

ok so why didnt they win shanghai then

because GENG were still better, what does that prove though lol.

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They were 1 map away from being world champions rest please

facts are there lol

sensucks [#20]

because GENG were still better, what does that prove though lol.

that nullifies every single argument you have

sensucks [#17]

wo0t on duelist and patitek on the roster brings more than wo0t on flex and miniboo on the roster (as duelist). It's not that hard to understand, and we've already seen it in Shanghai. I'm not expecting them to win Champs, but I do expect an overall better team.

“i’m not expecting them to win champs, but i do expect an overall better team” they got SECOND, brother. they were literally one (1) map from taking home the trophy

this is literally the best possible scenario you can have in the biggest event of the year while still not taking home the trophy 😭😭

luminescience [#22]

that nullifies every single argument you have

Totally. Those stats are just completely nullified there.

sensucks [#24]

Totally. Those stats are just completely nullified there.

if that iteration was so much better than this current one they would have had no issues beating geng but alas…!

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“i’m not expecting them to win champs, but i do expect an overall better team” they got SECOND, brother. they were literally one (1) map from taking home the trophy

this is literally the best possible scenario you can have in the biggest event of the year while still not taking home the trophy 😭😭

you might actually be retarded. TH with wo0t on duelist would've had an easier time in the tournament. They would've had an easier time facing SEN, easier time facing LEV, etc. I think EDG vs TH with wo0t as duelist would've still been closer than what we got today, but I'm still not making the claim that TH would've actually won the event, those two don't have to go together lol.

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if that iteration was so much better than this current one they would have had no issues beating geng but alas…!

Maybe GENG in Shanghai are better than both iterations? Stats are still there bro, read and weep lol.

Heretics played better in champs than they did in Shanghai. Just saying.

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Heretics played better in champs than they did in Shanghai. Just saying.

team stepped up, duelist did not compared to the duelist they had in Shanghai.

sensucks [#26]

you might actually be retarded. TH with wo0t on duelist would've had an easier time in the tournament. They would've had an easier time facing SEN, easier time facing LEV, etc. I think EDG vs TH with wo0t as duelist would've still been closer than what we got today, but I'm still not making the claim that TH would've actually won the event, those two don't have to go together lol.

rose-tinted glasses might actually be red at this point, woot isn’t a god and can’t do the things he does forever

not even aspas or derke or zekken, with how they’re capable of putting games on their back, was capable of making much of an impact. this has been the case with most duelist players at this event because good teams know exactly how to shut down good duelists; if woot kept playing the same shit would’ve happened because now teams are capable of anti-stratting woot after their stint in shanghai

and heretics looked good this event despite everything you’re saying lol, just so happens that they can’t close out when it matters, it’s something that’s been the recurring theme of this team for the entire year. despite this, this bo5 was VERY close, arguably the best ever

edg would’ve been the better team no matter who played duelist. this is true no matter what argument you make

sensucks [#29]

team stepped up, duelist did not compared to the duelist they had in Shanghai.

wait.... 300 posts in a day AND some of them are whole ass books? oh yeah, you definitely piss in a bottle

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rose-tinted glasses might actually be red at this point, woot isn’t a god and can’t do the things he does forever

not even aspas or derke or zekken, with how they’re capable of putting games on their back, was capable of making much of an impact. this has been the case with most duelist players at this event because good teams know exactly how to shut down good duelists; if woot kept playing the same shit would’ve happened because now teams are capable of anti-stratting woot after their stint in shanghai

and heretics looked good this event despite everything you’re saying lol, just so happens that they can’t close out when it matters, it’s something that’s been the recurring theme of this team for the entire year. despite this, this bo5 was VERY close, arguably the best ever

edg would’ve been the better team no matter who played duelist. this is true no matter what argument you make

"woot isn’t a god and can’t do the things he does forever" again with this absolutely retarded line of thinking, assuming a player cant continue being good on a role after an insane tournament because they simply just cant? So should we start assuming TH wouldn't remain being a good team for 2025 or something? Was t3xture expected to play like dirt in Champions after being the best duelist of Shanghai? You are cooked brother.

If you think wo0t wouldn't have outperformed miniboo's mid stats in champs on duelist then continue coping hard, the fact that you're again crying about EDG still being better when I am again telling you that the outcome of TH vs EDG isn't part of my argument shows how brain dead you are.

sensucks [#32]

"woot isn’t a god and can’t do the things he does forever" again with this absolutely retarded line of thinking, assuming a player cant continue being good on a role after an insane tournament because they simply just cant? So should we start assuming TH wouldn't remain being a good team for 2025 or something? Was t3xture expected to play like dirt in Champions after being the best duelist of Shanghai? You are cooked brother.

If you think wo0t wouldn't have outperformed miniboo's mid stats in champs on duelist then continue coping hard, the fact that you're again crying about EDG still being better when I am again telling you that the outcome of TH vs EDG isn't part of my argument shows how brain dead you are.

okay yeah you’re coping lol

i’m not saying woot would’ve shit the bed like miniboo, i’m saying he wouldn’t have dropped +20 every match like he did in shanghai. this was why th made the run they did

no duelist in history has been able to maintain a performance like that, not even the best in the world. with patitek in the roster you’re not changing much either way besides some better util, too

time to let patitek go, my friend, he’s going to koi

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okay yeah you’re coping lol

i’m not saying woot would’ve shit the bed like miniboo, i’m saying he wouldn’t have dropped +20 every match like he did in shanghai. this was why th made the run they did

no duelist in history has been able to maintain a performance like that, not even the best in the world. with patitek in the roster you’re not changing much either way besides some better util, too

time to let patitek go, my friend, he’s going to koi

look at you thinking my argument is only about wo0t still being top 2 again instead of just being a straight up better duelist than miniboo's mediocracy in champs, which is what I'm trying to tell you and why his top 2 finish in Shanghai brings more to my argument that whatever dumbass contradictory logic you're trying to string up because you just can't accept the stats. Good to know that I'm talking to an actual brick wall lmfao, good talk

sensucks [#34]

look at you thinking my argument is only about wo0t still being top 2 again instead of just being a straight up better duelist than miniboo's mediocracy in champs, which is what I'm trying to tell you and why his top 2 finish in Shanghai brings more to my argument that whatever dumbass contradictory logic you're trying to string up because you just can't accept the stats. Good to know that I'm talking to an actual brick wall lmfao, good talk

woot is a better duelist than miniboo

he would’ve, in fact, performed better as a duelist

they still would’ve lost because other duelists also perform better

is this what you wanted to hear?