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Do you guys agree with the top 4

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#1
Fuffey

So, are EDG, LEV, SEN, and TH the best 4 teams in the world? or do you think one of these teams had a fluke run and that other teams like GenG or G2 would still clear any of these frauds

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CanadaMan
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Fnatic and DRX are better than Lev and EDG 100% GenG are better than them

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babysasuke
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If other teams belonged in the top 4 they wouldn't have lost

Only fluke of this tournament is Fnatic getting out of groups

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Fuffey
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babysasuke [#3]

If other teams belonged in the top 4 they wouldn't have lost

Only fluke of this tournament is Fnatic getting out of groups

Wtf actually true, Fnatic on any other group and they would get clapped

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j3bx5597
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I still think GenG blow EDG outta the water. Everyone else is pretty deserving ngl.

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beaver_man
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G2 beat Sen and EDG , they deserve it more

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AstroGalaxy
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j3bx5597 [#5]

I still think GenG blow EDG outta the water. Everyone else is pretty deserving ngl.

That might just be a match up thing plus we haven't seen edg play lev yet

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AstroGalaxy
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beaver_man [#6]

G2 beat Sen and EDG , they deserve it more

G2 beat sen like years ago 😭

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envyz
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beaver_man [#6]

G2 beat Sen and EDG , they deserve it more

couldn't make it past FNATIC which a out of form SEN beat

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Azzelastia
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Fnatic fluke against G2. G2 should be here instead of TH.

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dort
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sen and th are dogshit and made it there by luck. edg and lev are valid tho

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sideshowsbaldhead
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dort [#11]

sen and th are dogshit and made it there by luck. edg and lev are valid tho

fart

#13
Diebs
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dort [#11]

sen and th are dogshit and made it there by luck. edg and lev are valid tho

flair

#14
KITTT
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sideshowsbaldhead [#12]

fart

we should upgrade it to shart

#15
babysasuke
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dort [#11]

sen and th are dogshit and made it there by luck. edg and lev are valid tho

True, but SEN look better than they did during quals

That might just be because they're playing minor regions though

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catNmouse
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Azzelastia [#10]

Fnatic fluke against G2. G2 should be here instead of TH.

first part probably, second part hell no

#17
cloudberry
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AstroGalaxy [#8]

G2 beat sen like years ago 😭

G2 beat SEN 3 times this year, no?

#18
beaver_man
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AstroGalaxy [#8]

G2 beat sen like years ago 😭

it was 1 month ago and it was 2-0 😭

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😭 Sen never beat g2 this year

#19
Diebs
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cloudberry [#17]

G2 beat SEN 3 times this year, no?

only twice I think and the kickoff game didn't even matter sen needed only map off g2

#20
Warlordwibz
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Win = Win.
Lose = Lose
Would still clear = would still choke
Team makes top 4 = Deserve top 4.

No IF’s
No conditional BS.

#21
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CanadaMan [#2]

Fnatic and DRX are better than Lev and EDG 100% GenG are better than them

Why do you think fnatic and drx are better than the teams you mentioned?

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FAVOURR
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Its deserved for sure but I feel like GENG could've easily been in the Upper Finals tmrw if they didn't play so shit against SEN especially Lakia

#23
cristiadu
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I dont know, I think Gen.G is still better than all of them and lost in a bad day. Paper Rex is also better than what they showed.

I also feel America's was weaker this year and a lot of the teams could do similar things like G2 did. LOUD is not a top team but def could've been a playoff team if they didnt fail so much in the beginning.

EMEA seems pretty on point, Karmine Corp dropped a lot so they wouldnt do well anyway. Fnatic did actually better than what I expected

#24
smthlikeyou11
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babysasuke [#3]

If other teams belonged in the top 4 they wouldn't have lost

Only fluke of this tournament is Fnatic getting out of groups

u just have a hate boner for boaster lmao
if BLG and KRU should not have lost then
they also beat g2 so by ur logic g2 should not have made it out of groups too

#25
asdpkp123
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beaver_man [#6]

G2 beat Sen and EDG , they deserve it more

the fact they arent in the top 4 says otherwise. But in all honesty why do you think they deserved it more?

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cristiadu [#23]

I dont know, I think Gen.G is still better than all of them and lost in a bad day. Paper Rex is also better than what they showed.

I also feel America's was weaker this year and a lot of the teams could do similar things like G2 did. LOUD is not a top team but def could've been a playoff team if they didnt fail so much in the beginning.

EMEA seems pretty on point, Karmine Corp dropped a lot so they wouldnt do well anyway. Fnatic did actually better than what I expected

Loud management would force them on off meta so nah

#27
catNmouse
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beaver_man [#6]

G2 beat Sen and EDG , they deserve it more

Didn’t beat fnatic

#28
hi1927
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beaver_man [#18]

it was 1 month ago and it was 2-0 😭

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😭 Sen never beat g2 this year

dont ever talk about the sentinels invitation winners like that bro, oxg owns you!~

#29
the_invincible49
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dort [#11]

sen and th are dogshit and made it there by luck. edg and lev are valid tho

most braindead take bro. SEN and TH both defeated GENG, the undisputed favorites of the tournament.

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the_invincible49 [#29]

most braindead take bro. SEN and TH both defeated GENG, the undisputed favorites of the tournament.

prx were also the favorites at shanghai. ur point is?

#31
the_invincible49
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babysasuke [#15]

True, but SEN look better than they did during quals

That might just be because they're playing minor regions though

GENG, DRX and FNATIC are not minor regions team. FPX were also insane against TH.

#32
the_invincible49
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dort [#30]

prx were also the favorites at shanghai. ur point is?

My point is u are considering the two teams that qualified out of group of death as dogshit. How did luck play a part in that??

#33
the_invincible49
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dort [#30]

prx were also the favorites at shanghai. ur point is?

  • PRX had not been dominant all year long and GENG had been in every grand finals (regional or international) upto champs.
#34
the_invincible49
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Warlordwibz [#20]

Win = Win.
Lose = Lose
Would still clear = would still choke
Team makes top 4 = Deserve top 4.

No IF’s
No conditional BS.

W

#35
dort
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the_invincible49 [#32]

My point is u are considering the two teams that qualified out of group of death as dogshit. How did luck play a part in that??

geng just had an off day thats all

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babysasuke
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the_invincible49 [#31]

GENG, DRX and FNATIC are not minor regions team. FPX were also insane against TH.

Yeah Americas just better I guess

Our 4th seed clears the rest of the world?

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BulkyLettuce
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FAVOURR [#22]

Its deserved for sure but I feel like GENG could've easily been in the Upper Finals tmrw if they didn't play so shit against SEN especially Lakia

and i feel like GENG could've easily been in the Upper Finals tmrw if they didn't play so shit against TH especially Lakia

#38
Gummybears
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SEN FLUKE AFTER FLUKE
even the biggest sen glazer must admit they got some bs rounds on lotus

#39
cscheater
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smthlikeyou11 [#24]

u just have a hate boner for boaster lmao
if BLG and KRU should not have lost then
they also beat g2 so by ur logic g2 should not have made it out of groups too

i think boaster fucked his girl or something

#40
Cu55Ku55_______
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Warlordwibz [#20]

Win = Win.
Lose = Lose
Would still clear = would still choke
Team makes top 4 = Deserve top 4.

No IF’s
No conditional BS.

W

#41
teilwal
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envyz [#9]

couldn't make it past FNATIC which a out of form SEN beat

out of form sen LMFAOOOOOO

#42
envyz
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teilwal [#41]

out of form sen LMFAOOOOOO

yes of course if you watched that game you could tell SEN played like dogshit lol literally only played good on lotus

#43
sussybaka
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FAVOURR [#22]

Its deserved for sure but I feel like GENG could've easily been in the Upper Finals tmrw if they didn't play so shit against SEN especially Lakia

best team in the world btw
gets grouped btw

#44
akimb0_
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cristiadu [#23]

I dont know, I think Gen.G is still better than all of them and lost in a bad day. Paper Rex is also better than what they showed.

I also feel America's was weaker this year and a lot of the teams could do similar things like G2 did. LOUD is not a top team but def could've been a playoff team if they didnt fail so much in the beginning.

EMEA seems pretty on point, Karmine Corp dropped a lot so they wouldnt do well anyway. Fnatic did actually better than what I expected

lots of "i think" "i feel" and a bunch of "if"s, thats now what the game is based off.

#45
the_invincible49
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dort [#35]

geng just had an off day thats all

Yeah u can have a day off in an elimination match.

#46
Ullyr
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Clearly these 4 have the best adaptation and form in this tournament. Like you shouldn't take that away from them.

#47
RzqoFoxie
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Not by a long shot. This year's top 4 must be the weakest we've ever seen in VCT history

#48
H3ENnZ
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CanadaMan [#2]

Fnatic and DRX are better than Lev and EDG 100% GenG are better than them

Fnatic mentioned opinion rejected

#49
aexbigb0t
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No man, there for a reason.

#50
nella3
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Not to take away from any team, but I do still think that GEN should be in the discussion as to who the top teams in the world are, despite getting grouped. All 4 remaining teams seemingly can play to a level that reflects their current position, but there’s no doubt in my mind that present form was a huge factor.

TH: Despite their ups and downs (and my personal bias against them lmao) they have probs been the most deserving bc of their consistency.

EDG: Such massive improvements after Haodong was moved to coach and they picked up S1mon, they have so many braggers and S1mon’s util just enabled them all so well

SEN: Looking better and better with each game, though a bit inconsistent; sometimes their wins feel like some player (usually zekken) just bails them out with his aim.

LEV: imo the weakest team of the 4, and could’ve have easily gone 0-2 in playoffs. Excluding aspas, I still doubt their consistency. They got off with an easy group and having life games out of C0M so far in playoffs.

#51
nella3
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nella3 [#50]

Not to take away from any team, but I do still think that GEN should be in the discussion as to who the top teams in the world are, despite getting grouped. All 4 remaining teams seemingly can play to a level that reflects their current position, but there’s no doubt in my mind that present form was a huge factor.

TH: Despite their ups and downs (and my personal bias against them lmao) they have probs been the most deserving bc of their consistency.

EDG: Such massive improvements after Haodong was moved to coach and they picked up S1mon, they have so many braggers and S1mon’s util just enabled them all so well

SEN: Looking better and better with each game, though a bit inconsistent; sometimes their wins feel like some player (usually zekken) just bails them out with his aim.

LEV: imo the weakest team of the 4, and could’ve have easily gone 0-2 in playoffs. Excluding aspas, I still doubt their consistency. They got off with an easy group and having life games out of C0M so far in playoffs.

Honorable mentions: GEN, G2, DRX

#52
Chikenwarrior23
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babysasuke [#3]

If other teams belonged in the top 4 they wouldn't have lost

Only fluke of this tournament is Fnatic getting out of groups

that's counterintuitive, if fnatic getting into playoffs was a fluke than so was G2

#53
liltrapster
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nah, Gen.G instead of SEN

#54
FAVOURR
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BulkyLettuce [#37]

and i feel like GENG could've easily been in the Upper Finals tmrw if they didn't play so shit against TH especially Lakia

against TH aswell yeah

#55
jixk
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EDG deserve there spot FNC not so sure but GENG not being here ruins this ngl so no we dont have the best 4 teams but we do have top5-6 with this many upsets happening it is a good result

#56
cristiadu
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akimb0_ [#44]

lots of "i think" "i feel" and a bunch of "if"s, thats now what the game is based off.

yea and? the question is literally based on that

#57
xLeo
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I had FNC(ofc biased), TH, LEV and PRX/GENG

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