I think the argument csgo and val are diff games is not that accurate the sen squad ws tier 1 na cs and are able to win coz they already were decent players in csgo also like yeah hiko,scream,ska,auti were better but the past 2 years before val launched they were not even top 25 teams while some almost semi retired
Like there is not a single csgo player who is in the top 10 teams to actually switch
Imo if s1mple or zywoo switched in 1-2 months of prep they could easily beat Sentinels with decent team
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zephyr_nah [#4]wdym?? Sentinels has only 1 tier 1 CS player (SHAZAM)...Get your facts right first.
(Didn't count Tenz as T1 cz he didnt stick around in the scene enough to be judged alongside other tier 1 cs players)
Yea but its not like any eu player or na player was drastically better than him at 2020 pre valorant csgo era
MilanTheMyth [#3]Both great games.
Yea but if eu players came to csgo the region will be way stronger as no proper csgo players has come yet from the eu
zephyr_nah [#4]wdym?? Sentinels has only 1 tier 1 CS player (SHAZAM)...Get your facts right first.
(Didn't count Tenz as T1 cz he didnt stick around in the scene enough to be judged alongside other tier 1 cs players)
Hello btw u forgot sick tf he played for tsm with seangares and shahz??
dolphincandy [#5]Yea but its not like any eu player or na player was drastically better than him at 2020 pre valorant csgo era
even by considering him it amounts to only 2 out of 5 ...So how does your argument "SEN squad were t1 NA CS" hold??
zephyr_nah [#8]even by considering him it amounts to only 2 out of 5 ...So how does your argument "SEN squad were t1 NA CS" hold??
Bruh even jf they werent they were very good not worse than these potentially washed csgo players
dolphincandy [#7]Hello btw u forgot sick tf he played for tsm with seangares and shahz??
wasn't impactful at all to be considered an elite CS pro
dolphincandy [#9]Bruh even jf they werent they were very good not worse than these potentially washed csgo players
Most EU pros are young and just starting their career. Its not like they are 30 y/o who failed in their CS career and moved here to be called washed up or t3 cs . its just that they didnt stick around for much time in the cs scene and switched very early.
zephyr_nah [#10]wasn't impactful at all to be considered an elite CS pro
Yea so was scream and hiko in 2020csgo i get my point if eu cs players switched like simple and zywoo eu will be #1
zephyr_nah [#11]Most EU pros are young and just starting their career. Its not like they are 30 y/o who failed in their CS career and moved here to be called washed up or t3 cs . its just that they didnt stick around for much time in the cs scene and switched very early.
Not impactful scream hiko skadoddle automatic or anyone else whos switched to val and are considered better than shahzam and squad
TinglyPiano [#13]i mean many 'no name' CSGO player like Asuna, Yay performed much better than these 'tier1' or ex-tier1 CSGO players like Ska, Autim, and the NRG guys
Exactly but they werent doing anything in csgo either in 2019-2020 era
dolphincandy [#12]Yea so was scream and hiko in 2020csgo i get my point if eu cs players switched like simple and zywoo eu will be #1
Lmfao no way you are comparing shazam and tenz to s1mple and zywoo... if Stewie2K and Elige ever switched then only you can use this argument.
zephyr_nah [#16]Lmfao no way you are comparing shazam and tenz to s1mple and zywoo... if Stewie2K and Elige ever switched then only you can use this argument.
Yea thats my point that if eu cs or team liwuid players joined valorant they would own as they are in thier prime now after 1-2 month gamsense prep
TinglyPiano [#13]i mean many 'no name' CSGO player like Asuna, Yay performed much better than these 'tier1' or ex-tier1 CSGO players like Ska, Autim, and the NRG guys
Asuna is still only 18 .. So i dont think he can be labeled 'no name' , its just that he switched early.
zephyr_nah [#18]Asuna is still only 18 .. So i dont think he can be labeled 'no name' , its just that he switched early.
Still doesnt unproove my point thag eu just needs mre cs players to join val to defeat na
dolphincandy [#19]Still doesnt unproove my point thag eu just needs mre cs players to join val to defeat na
Not necessarily ... else Sen wont have been dominating (As i mentioned above , only 2 of their players were T1 pros even though considering Tenz is debatable)
dolphincandy [#19]Still doesnt unproove my point thag eu just needs mre cs players to join val to defeat na
Why would a tier 1 EU CS player move to Valorant?? Tier 1 NA CS players didn't even go to Valorant, besides nitro.
dolphincandy [#17]Yea thats my point that if eu cs or team liwuid players joined valorant they would own as they are in thier prime now after 1-2 month gamsense prep
Stewie and Elige are NA players...You didnt get my point . I meant even in the NA scene other than Ethan there's no absolute elite CS pro fresh off the scene.
dolphincandy [#19]Still doesnt unproove my point thag eu just needs mre cs players to join val to defeat na
Korea doesn't have a lot of CS players and they are good..
PoohShiesty [#21]Why would a tier 1 EU CS player move to Valorant?? Tier 1 NA CS players didn't even go to Valorant, besides nitro.
he is dumb.. i have been saying the same thing that t1 na cs hasnt switched either but he keeps pointing irrelevant points.
dolphincandy [#19]Still doesnt unproove my point thag eu just needs mre cs players to join val to defeat na
Look at the other t1 cs pros that switched, Scream and Jamppi are disappointing on Liquid, Nitr0 is playing third fiddle to Asuna and Ethan, Ethan is playing second fiddle to Asuna, ska and auti are flailing on T1. Success in cs doesn’t guarantee success in valorant
dolphincandy [#2]Plus the eu players are no namers from tier 3 cs but obv since its tier 3 eu cs they can hold against na cs somewhat while still loosing
yay , asuna were no namers too... still they are dominating .
dolphincandy [#6]Yea but if eu players came to csgo the region will be way stronger as no proper csgo players has come yet from the eu
by your logic 100T and T1 should be dominating the scene as they have the most number of t1 cs pros compared to other NA teams.
V0sotros [#25]Look at the other t1 cs pros that switched, Scream and Jamppi are disappointing on Liquid, Nitr0 is playing third fiddle to Asuna and Ethan, Ethan is playing second fiddle to Asuna, ska and auti are flailing on T1. Success in cs doesn’t guarantee success in valorant
All of them couldn't be called tier 1 in CS, even so, they haven't achieved anything in recent years on CS, so they just changed games but still sucks.
zephyr_nah [#27]by your logic 100T and T1 should be dominating the scene as they have the most number of t1 cs pros compared to other NA teams.
Maybe because they weren't tier1 teams? nitro and Automatic Skadoodle Ethan could maybe be counted as tier1 players but they had tier 2 teams and didn't really put up a fight against EU ever the only major NA is the rise of cloud9 and was also the fall of Astralis a None existent navi and a inting faze clan.. and only skadoodle and automatic switched from that team to valorant so i dont know where the fuck you coming from but these guys wasn't tier1 teams/players in csgo... Your mental if you think so.
Wwpcc [#28]All of them couldn't be called tier 1 in CS, even so, they haven't achieved anything in recent years on CS, so they just changed games but still sucks.
You understand my point 👍
V0sotros [#25]Look at the other t1 cs pros that switched, Scream and Jamppi are disappointing on Liquid, Nitr0 is playing third fiddle to Asuna and Ethan, Ethan is playing second fiddle to Asuna, ska and auti are flailing on T1. Success in cs doesn’t guarantee success in valorant
Ethan is the only tier 1 pro who switched to valorant, if 100t had brehze+twistz+elige instead of hiko,nitro and steel they would be farming na, any top 20 hltv pro can dominate the valorant scene after 2 months of training imo.
hekzy [#33]i lived to see the day when somebody called shahz a tier1 cs player. All val players were ass in csgo, that's why they switched.
Exactly
hekzy [#33]i lived to see the day when somebody called shahz a tier1 cs player. All val players were ass in csgo, that's why they switched.
I meant tier 1 NA NOT GLOBE plus u get my point of not any god eu cs player yet in val
Renvas [#29]Maybe because they weren't tier1 teams? nitro and Automatic Skadoodle Ethan could maybe be counted as tier1 players but they had tier 2 teams and didn't really put up a fight against EU ever the only major NA is the rise of cloud9 and was also the fall of Astralis a None existent navi and a inting faze clan.. and only skadoodle and automatic switched from that team to valorant so i dont know where the fuck you coming from but these guys wasn't tier1 teams/players in csgo... Your mental if you think so.
nitro was part of the grand slam team liquid team, ethan made the hltv top 20 players in 2019, skadoodle was the mvp of the boston major and autimatic was part of the same major winning roster. they all played against tier 1 eu competition throughout their entire career, beating them on multiple occasions, and nitro in particular dominated the global scene as the igl of one of the top 2 teams in the world for 1-2 years. you have no idea what tier 1 cs means you are just mad that na is doing well in an esport and are beating eu teams. just cause they are na doesnt mean they arent good at games
instathot [#36]nitro was part of the grand slam team liquid team, ethan made the hltv top 20 players in 2019, skadoodle was the mvp of the boston major and autimatic was part of the same major winning roster. they all played against tier 1 eu competition throughout their entire career, beating them on multiple occasions, and nitro in particular dominated the global scene as the igl of one of the top 2 teams in the world for 1-2 years. you have no idea what tier 1 cs means you are just mad that na is doing well in an esport and are beating eu teams. just cause they are na doesnt mean they arent good at games
Read what i wrote again then litrally all the names you named was the players i called tier1 players... Also the players that i named have changed from csgo to valorant as high tier players... I may have formulated it badly...
dolphincandy [#14]Not impactful scream hiko skadoddle automatic or anyone else whos switched to val and are considered better than shahzam and squad
bruh what even is ur argument? gambit is full of 19 year olds and they’re that good just let the val scene develop and at some point there will be a truly dominant val team
Renvas [#38]Read what i wrote again then litrally all the names you named was the players i called tier1 players... Also the players that i named have changed from csgo to valorant as high tier players... I may have formulated it badly...
my point is also that you said they had tier 2 teams, which i forgot to mention. that was my biggest problem when you calling, grand slam tl, major winning c9 and astralis beating eg as tier 2 teams when those teams consistently face off against tier 1 opposition.
PoohShiesty [#21]Why would a tier 1 EU CS player move to Valorant?? Tier 1 NA CS players didn't even go to Valorant, besides nitro.
wasnt ethan part of tier 1 as well?
I’ve been saying this the whole time, valorant is really just washed up csgo atm.. eu’s best are all still in csgo: device, s1mple, shox , zywoo, Rez, hobbit, etc… the current best for Europe are players like mixwell? Scream ? All pros that couldn’t make in tier 1 cs, same goes for All NA minus Ethan bc he really was the only one still in his prime in cs before he switched, the rest of NA teams are all players who didn’t make the cut, I’m curious to see when the s1mples and the eliges start to make their way over how dominant they’ll be. And yes I know it’s a different game but the mechanics are so very similar.
KrooKed [#45]I’ve been saying this the whole time, valorant is really just washed up csgo atm.. eu’s best are all still in csgo: device, s1mple, shox , zywoo, Rez, hobbit, etc… the current best for Europe are players like mixwell? Scream ? All pros that couldn’t make in tier 1 cs, same goes for All NA minus Ethan bc he really was the only one still in his prime in cs before he switched, the rest of NA teams are all players who didn’t make the cut, I’m curious to see when the s1mples and the eliges start to make their way over how dominant they’ll be. And yes I know it’s a different game but the mechanics are so very similar.
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zephyr_nah [#4]wdym?? Sentinels has only 1 tier 1 CS player (SHAZAM)...Get your facts right first.
(Didn't count Tenz as T1 cz he didnt stick around in the scene enough to be judged alongside other tier 1 cs players)
Shahzam tier 1 CS? LOL
blubeer [#37]Why the fuck do you compare two different games. There is the possibility that simple shifts to valo but sucks big time (less probable). And also, there are a lot of teenagers(raw talent) who have lived valorant for the past 1.5 yr. A lot of new players will be coming within next year.
Anyone with two eyes and a pair of brain cells to rub togeter can see Valorant is an explicit cs clone. in fact If you dropped the best CS:GO players into a Valorant lobby, they would destroy.it proves valorant ez mode csgo with ability
yaiima0 [#48]Not sure why people keep comparing the two games.
Coz its is same game essentially as utility may be different but not something that can easily be learned by a tier 1 eu cs pro player in like 1 month and own everybody
acfzzzzz [#49]Anyone with two eyes and a pair of brain cells to rub togeter can see Valorant is an explicit cs clone. in fact If you dropped the best CS:GO players into a Valorant lobby, they would destroy.it proves valorant ez mode csgo with ability
No they wouldn't lmao, remember when na cs players played against the devs in the very beginning? Those devs are like plat-diamond level players and they were beating the shit out of them. I'm not saying that best cs players won't be destroying in valorant after some practice tho
zephyr_nah [#26]yay , asuna were no namers too... still they are dominating .
yay was not a no namer he played on complexity, asuna was tho
This ain't cs, dummy.
"Like there is not a single csgo player who is in the top 10 teams to actually switch"
Why you switch to other game when you're on the top with ez money? New game mean more grind & high risk.
"Imo if s1mple or zywoo switched in 1-2 months of prep they could easily beat Sentinels with decent team"
THIS IS CERTIFICATES BS.
brain-dead thread.
zzyawnzz [#52]its not a secret
valorant viewers look like the type that haven't played a single competitive FPS in their life and acts like these Valorant pros are good
true competitive gamers realize its just casual and if you're actually serious then CSGO is teh game to watch
True competitive gamers = I'm not pro, have no life & got nothing from gatekeeping game
Stendo [#56]True competitive gamers = I'm not pro, have no life & got nothing from gatekeeping game
true competitive gamers is a state of mind, you either are or you're not
people complaining they can't get out of gold are not competitive gamers :)
dolphincandy [#2]Plus the eu players are no namers from tier 3 cs but obv since its tier 3 eu cs they can hold against na cs somewhat while still loosing
good argument lol. Just wanted to point this out.. Before any of you call Asuna a no name in csgo, please do ur fkin research.. A lot of the comments are from fkin csgo fan boys.. Try to view this from an unbiased pov.. Asuna was young af and still is young so we didn't even get to witness his best self. You claim S1mple and Zywoo would dominate if they played val.. I would disagree with that. I truly believe that if s1mple and zywoo were to switch to val, OF COURSE they would do good but when you say dominate, I disagree. VAL is a team BASED GAME. NOT EVERYONE has access to smokes and flashbangs. when s1mple was playing valorant in his stream, he mentioned how he dislikes playing reyna, jett and phoenix. His favorite agent is omen. In the pro scene, the agent you play matters.. If you play a duelist, you are more likely to get frags and that is just true. This game has pros from both OW, CS, Fortnite, Apex Legends. Its everything.
zzyawnzz [#52]its not a secret
valorant viewers look like the type that haven't played a single competitive FPS in their life and acts like these Valorant pros are good
true competitive gamers realize its just casual and if you're actually serious then CSGO is teh game to watch
"if you're actually serious then CSGO is teh game to watch" you sound dumb af lol... The skill ceiling in valorant is A LOT lower compared to CSGO. This means you have to fkin think before take an action. Aim alone can't carry you that far. Valorant pro scene is still new so idk why you hyping CS that much lol. Probably because you played it at an early age so you wanna hype it up?? My man really said if you are actually serious go watch cs lol. There are fucking hackers infested in CSGO for crying out loud. Even in Pro scene, players have to be monitored. Val will be adding more agents and more maps so we will see a lot more "pro" scene from the Val community. It only has 7 maps.
Stendo [#55]This ain't cs, dummy.
"Like there is not a single csgo player who is in the top 10 teams to actually switch"
Why you switch to other game when you're on the top with ez money? New game mean more grind & high risk."Imo if s1mple or zywoo switched in 1-2 months of prep they could easily beat Sentinels with decent team"
THIS IS CERTIFICATES BS.brain-dead thread.
fr lol these are ppl who played cs since childhood so they wanna hype up their pros lol..
hekzy [#33]i lived to see the day when somebody called shahz a tier1 cs player. All val players were ass in csgo, that's why they switched.
is val a minor league cs:go?
dirtysanchez [#51]No they wouldn't lmao, remember when na cs players played against the devs in the very beginning? Those devs are like plat-diamond level players and they were beating the shit out of them. I'm not saying that best cs players won't be destroying in valorant after some practice tho
imagine devs being better at a game they just created vs pros who have never touched it before…
issabulla [#60]"if you're actually serious then CSGO is teh game to watch" you sound dumb af lol... The skill ceiling in valorant is A LOT lower compared to CSGO. This means you have to fkin think before take an action. Aim alone can't carry you that far. Valorant pro scene is still new so idk why you hyping CS that much lol. Probably because you played it at an early age so you wanna hype it up?? My man really said if you are actually serious go watch cs lol. There are fucking hackers infested in CSGO for crying out loud. Even in Pro scene, players have to be monitored. Val will be adding more agents and more maps so we will see a lot more "pro" scene from the Val community. It only has 7 maps.
a lot of misconceptions here so I'll spend some time to clear it up for ya :D
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valorant abilities are just gimped versions of utilities anyways so u dont need to think much, phoenix flash + skye flash is 100x easier to use than a single flashbang in CS
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no one srs about CS cares about matchmaking, cuz they just spend $5 to play FACEIT or ESEA
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funny u brought up agents and maps cuz... look at what Riot is doing, no change to OP agent (jett, skye, sova), never tweaking their map, keeps pumping out garbage maps like Fracture, there was maybe a chance it could be better than CS, but it's pretty obvious at this point that they're not very interested in improving the game soo.. I don't think it will ever surpass CS at this rate ._.
Nightwing [#57]None of them were tier 1 csgo players.
Only tier 1 player I can remember is Ethan who has also having tough time in EG
Nitr0 definitely was at the time of his departure.
and in the case of your statement with "were", all of 100t (except for Asuna) were tier 1 pros at one point. Autimatic + Skadoodle were as well.
juraf [#53]yay was not a no namer he played on complexity, asuna was tho
no not the complexity the tier 2/3 cs team i agree yay wasnt a no namer but by no means was he anywhere near tier 1
acfzzzzz [#49]Anyone with two eyes and a pair of brain cells to rub togeter can see Valorant is an explicit cs clone. in fact If you dropped the best CS:GO players into a Valorant lobby, they would destroy.it proves valorant ez mode csgo with ability
no bcoz they will need time to learn abilities and not all might get comfortable with the abilities
and remember the skill ceiling in terms of gunplay is low in valo so the level would drop and a lot of players will have similar gunskills and it will only come down to skill usage
Stendo [#55]This ain't cs, dummy.
"Like there is not a single csgo player who is in the top 10 teams to actually switch"
Why you switch to other game when you're on the top with ez money? New game mean more grind & high risk."Imo if s1mple or zywoo switched in 1-2 months of prep they could easily beat Sentinels with decent team"
THIS IS CERTIFICATES BS.brain-dead thread.
First part +1
dolphincandy [#35]I meant tier 1 NA NOT GLOBE plus u get my point of not any god eu cs player yet in val
He was tier2 NA at best.
WitLitning [#62]is val a minor league cs:go?
For now yes. But give it a year and all the talentless washed ups will be replaced by pure valorant talent.
issabulla [#61]fr lol these are ppl who played cs since childhood so they wanna hype up their pros lol..
Man 4/5 sentinels are ex cs pros what are you talking about?
Zaynio [#65]Nitr0 definitely was at the time of his departure.
and in the case of your statement with "were", all of 100t (except for Asuna) were tier 1 pros at one point. Autimatic + Skadoodle were as well.
Nitr0 would've been kicked/benched in the coming months. He was finished.
instathot [#40]my point is also that you said they had tier 2 teams, which i forgot to mention. that was my biggest problem when you calling, grand slam tl, major winning c9 and astralis beating eg as tier 2 teams when those teams consistently face off against tier 1 opposition.
Maybe back in 2018/19.
Until EPL14 Liquid were tier 2 and weren't even the Top team in NA. Furia were top for the last year really with EG having a small resurgence last year before Ethan left. As a big EG fan, they havent been Tier 1 since that period of 2019.
Just because a player was tier 1 once doesnt mean they still were when they left. You have to maintain Tier 1. Get_Right and TaZ clearly arent anymore as examples. The top rated player who transitioned was Ethan and at the time EG wasn't a top 10 team, they were struggling to stay in top 20.
The only players who moved to Val from CS that were still playing well against higher tier opponents were Nitr0 and Ethan. Skadoodle and Auti peaked in 2018 and have been trapped in tier 3 NA for a while with brief stints under Daps.
Obeeey [#47]Shahzam tier 1 CS? LOL
ikr he isnt either... but just to compensate with the guy's garbage argument i put him as t1
Ryzen_ [#73]Maybe back in 2018/19.
Until EPL14 Liquid were tier 2 and weren't even the Top team in NA. Furia were top for the last year really with EG having a small resurgence last year before Ethan left. As a big EG fan, they havent been Tier 1 since that period of 2019.Just because a player was tier 1 once doesnt mean they still were when they left. You have to maintain Tier 1. Get_Right and TaZ clearly arent anymore as examples. The top rated player who transitioned was Ethan and at the time EG wasn't a top 10 team, they were struggling to stay in top 20.
The only players who moved to Val from CS that were still playing well against higher tier opponents were Nitr0 and Ethan. Skadoodle and Auti peaked in 2018 and have been trapped in tier 3 NA for a while with brief stints under Daps.
didnt know making it to a major grand final and semi in 2016 and being 10 top global since then was tier 2 and i didnt know that retiring and playing for geng against top class eu teams was considered tier 3 na
instathot [#75]didnt know making it to a major grand final and semi in 2016 and being 10 top global since then was tier 2 and i didnt know that retiring and playing for geng against top class eu teams was considered tier 3 na
As I previously stated. Being good back then does not mean they were Tier 1 when they transitioned to Valorant. Also Gen G was tier 2 and part of the stints under Daps I mentioned. I say that as a huge fan of Daps and follower of his teams.
zzyawnzz [#64]a lot of misconceptions here so I'll spend some time to clear it up for ya :D
valorant abilities are just gimped versions of utilities anyways so u dont need to think much, phoenix flash + skye flash is 100x easier to use than a single flashbang in CS
no one srs about CS cares about matchmaking, cuz they just spend $5 to play FACEIT or ESEA
funny u brought up agents and maps cuz... look at what Riot is doing, no change to OP agent (jett, skye, sova), never tweaking their map, keeps pumping out garbage maps like Fracture, there was maybe a chance it could be better than CS, but it's pretty obvious at this point that they're not very interested in improving the game soo.. I don't think it will ever surpass CS at this rate ._.
Fracture isn’t an ass map, the only map that needs a rework is split
WitLitning [#63]imagine devs being better at a game they just created vs pros who have never touched it before…
I mean the guy above actually believes being good in cs go equals being a god in valorant and he's not the only one. I'm just giving an example of the opposite
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