Imagine You are Boaster

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Sage-Breach

You’re the IGL of this mechanically gifted team. You’re averaging a -22 +/- on a whopping 80ACS for the season. But today you’re facing the sentinels and in the first half of the first map, you’re finally fragging. People now say you’re a fragging IGL. You feel good, in fact you’re now talking trash against the opposing team and even standing up, waving your hands, making sure they notice you.

But then the rest of the game plays out, you lost, you posted better numbers this time, probably the best in your entire career. A whopping 120ACS on a -15. You realise you are still useless and will go home re-evaluating your on-stage antics.

You go home and see people bashing you on twitter. You cry to your girlfriend and realise you are a clown for taunting way too early.

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no more boaster slander. FNC wouldn't have won shit without boaster

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Zyppan_Best_Raze [#2]

no more boaster slander. FNC wouldn't have won shit without boaster

Incorrect. They still haven't won a major legit. Lock-in was a preseason showcase tourney with a worthless trophy that fell apart instantly. And they were the 3rd best team in the world at the time of tokyo, see the following:

https://www.vlr.gg/393738/fnatic-was-never-great

When the win conditions of

Mickey Mouse Format
Other teams best players having visa issues

aren't met. We see who they really are

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Missing
7th/8th (winless and got embarrassed by fut)
5th/6th (one good win was over G2, who are mid and self admitted chokers)

Furthermore lets stop the narrative that that paycheck stealer is essential to them. They rely on mech-checking their opponents. His calling is awful, its not speculation, we can hear it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxPMgoMk0ms&t=1s
Listen to 5:30 -> 6:11
This is one of many examples.

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He has such great mechanics but idk he just can't shoot. When he was stuck on the door and killed johnqt and zekken and killed zekken with a classic it was pretty obvious to me that he isn't bad but needs to learn when to think about the game and actually shooting. I think johnqt has mastered this alongside munchkin.

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Soddalele

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Yuh_aye [#3]

Incorrect. They still haven't won a major legit. Lock-in was a preseason showcase tourney with a worthless trophy that fell apart instantly. And they were the 3rd best team in the world at the time of tokyo, see the following:

https://www.vlr.gg/393738/fnatic-was-never-great

When the win conditions of

Mickey Mouse Format

Other teams best players having visa issues

aren't met. We see who they really are

4th
Missing
7th/8th (winless and got embarrassed by fut)
5th/6th (one good win was over G2, who are mid and self admitted chokers)

Furthermore lets stop the narrative that that paycheck stealer is essential to them. They rely on mech-checking their opponents. His calling is awful, its not speculation, we can hear it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxPMgoMk0ms&t=1s
Listen to 5:30 -> 6:11
This is one of many examples.

calling his statement incorrect is incorrect, there is no fucking second reality u have been a part of that proves otherwise. stfu with this braindead fucking shit ive seen today.

taking whatever stat and making it fit ur narrative is what all u guys do.

The takes im seeing today is LEGIT making me miss the times of babysasuke,yessirski etc.

the latest tier of baiters on VLR is making this forum literally UNWATCHABLE

also referencing your own god damn post when trying to point out something u think is fact is just WOW!

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GambleNats

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Yuh_aye [#3]

Incorrect. They still haven't won a major legit. Lock-in was a preseason showcase tourney with a worthless trophy that fell apart instantly. And they were the 3rd best team in the world at the time of tokyo, see the following:

https://www.vlr.gg/393738/fnatic-was-never-great

When the win conditions of

Mickey Mouse Format

Other teams best players having visa issues

aren't met. We see who they really are

4th
Missing
7th/8th (winless and got embarrassed by fut)
5th/6th (one good win was over G2, who are mid and self admitted chokers)

Furthermore lets stop the narrative that that paycheck stealer is essential to them. They rely on mech-checking their opponents. His calling is awful, its not speculation, we can hear it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxPMgoMk0ms&t=1s
Listen to 5:30 -> 6:11
This is one of many examples.

calling tokyo a fluke is crazy. considering prx cant win a b05
the mickey mouse format only had 2 teams that were good that didnt do well in lock//in. both teams made roster changers afrer lock//in...
optic should be the only ones questioned for visa issue tournament wins

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Soddalele [#5]

calling his statement incorrect is incorrect, there is no fucking second reality u have been a part of that proves otherwise. stfu with this braindead fucking shit ive seen today.

taking whatever stat and making it fit ur narrative is what all u guys do.

The takes im seeing today is LEGIT making me miss the times of babysasuke,yessirski etc.

the latest tier of baiters on VLR is making this forum literally UNWATCHABLE

also referencing your own god damn post when trying to point out something u think is fact is just WOW!

Fnatic were the 3rd best team in the world at the time of Tokyo, the post explains exactly why, and it's not even that long. Everything that has happened since has proven my point correct (that they were never great).

Think i'm wrong? tell me what part of my analysis I got wrong and be specific, I guarantee I will respond to it (but I doubt you will because the truth hurts).

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TM06Nick

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If you've ever watched an FNC game, boaster micros all 4 players on his team

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nottoxic45

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TM06Nick [#8]

If you've ever watched an FNC game, boaster micros all 4 players on his team

Imagine u had aim and gamesense like alfa and ur bottomfragger teammate had to micromanage u ? Does it even make sense

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Soddalele

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Yuh_aye [#7]

Fnatic were the 3rd best team in the world at the time of Tokyo, the post explains exactly why, and it's not even that long. Everything that has happened since has proven my point correct (that they were never great).

Think i'm wrong? tell me what part of my analysis I got wrong and be specific, I guarantee I will respond to it (but I doubt you will because the truth hurts).

do u really think i will engage in a reasonable fucking discussion with u?

LOOK AT THE FIRST SENTENCE OF YOUR MESSAGE FOR GODS WAKE HOW DELULU CAN ONE MAN GET?

this is legit the first time ive gotten pissed on this forum, you know why?
most of the ragebaits and shitposting on this site is usually decent baits or just for shits and giggles but you look like you GENUINLY have bought into your own fucking bullshit.

cope with whatever line you want "cant argue against lmfao" "mad fnatic fan cus bad team"
I DONT CARE

im not getting baited into another shitty discussion with someone that unweilling to see any sense in what i say anyway.

choke on it u fucking nerd

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AltonBu02

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bro wrote a fan fic

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nottoxic45

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Soddalele [#10]

do u really think i will engage in a reasonable fucking discussion with u?

LOOK AT THE FIRST SENTENCE OF YOUR MESSAGE FOR GODS WAKE HOW DELULU CAN ONE MAN GET?

this is legit the first time ive gotten pissed on this forum, you know why?
most of the ragebaits and shitposting on this site is usually decent baits or just for shits and giggles but you look like you GENUINLY have bought into your own fucking bullshit.

cope with whatever line you want "cant argue against lmfao" "mad fnatic fan cus bad team"
I DONT CARE

im not getting baited into another shitty discussion with someone that unweilling to see any sense in what i say anyway.

choke on it u fucking nerd

Demn u type all that ?

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Yuh_aye

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GambleNats [#6]

calling tokyo a fluke is crazy. considering prx cant win a b05
the mickey mouse format only had 2 teams that were good that didnt do well in lock//in. both teams made roster changers afrer lock//in...
optic should be the only ones questioned for visa issue tournament wins

calling tokyo a fluke is crazy. considering prx cant win a b05

PRX can't win bo5s is a meme but its not a serious point (they beat GEN.G in a bo5 btw, right before they won shanghai). The fact is that with something, they were immediately better than Fnatic for a year straight. And their best form that they were ever in was Champs 23, literally one month after Tokyo.

the mickey mouse format only had 2 teams that were good that didnt do well in lock//in

We actually don't know who was really good or bad at that time due to the mickey mouse format (as well as being preseason). The worst team of all time -'23 Karmine Corp - looked promising vs Loud, as did GEN.G who were also really bad. The there was C9 beating PRX (lmao) and Navi also looking good (NAVI was terrible all year except for 2 games during champs).

optic should be the only ones questioned for visa issue tournament wins

It's not like the same rules don't apply...

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Yuh_aye

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Soddalele [#10]

do u really think i will engage in a reasonable fucking discussion with u?

LOOK AT THE FIRST SENTENCE OF YOUR MESSAGE FOR GODS WAKE HOW DELULU CAN ONE MAN GET?

this is legit the first time ive gotten pissed on this forum, you know why?
most of the ragebaits and shitposting on this site is usually decent baits or just for shits and giggles but you look like you GENUINLY have bought into your own fucking bullshit.

cope with whatever line you want "cant argue against lmfao" "mad fnatic fan cus bad team"
I DONT CARE

im not getting baited into another shitty discussion with someone that unweilling to see any sense in what i say anyway.

choke on it u fucking nerd

you can't engage in reasonable discussion because your narrative isn't reasonable or supported by the evidence. If it was, you would try to.

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Soddalele

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Yuh_aye [#14]

you can't engage in reasonable discussion because your narrative isn't reasonable or supported by the evidence. If it was, you would try to.

See last line at #10

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TM06Nick

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AltonBu02 [#11]

bro wrote a fan fic

Closet boaster fans fr

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Yuh_aye

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Soddalele [#15]

See last line at #10

Proved my point in #14

If i'm gonna choke which should I take inspiration from?

FNC vs DRX at Champs 22? (Mako 1v2) (Not really a choke since DRX was better)
FNC vs Loud at Champs 23? (Tuyz 1v3) (Also not a choke since Loud was better)
FNC vs SEN at Champs 24? (Sunset 11-9) (Also not a choke since SEN is better)

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Yuh_aye [#17]

Proved my point in #14

If i'm gonna choke which should I take inspiration from?

FNC vs DRX at Champs 22? (Mako 1v2) (Not really a choke since DRX was better)
FNC vs Loud at Champs 23? (Tuyz 1v3) (Also not a choke since Loud was better)
FNC vs SEN at Champs 24? (Sunset 11-9) (Also not a choke since SEN is better)

you should take inspiration from your reflection in the mirror and ur god awful opinions

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Soddalele [#18]

you should take inspiration from your reflection in the mirror and ur god awful opinions

See last line at #10

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Yuh_aye [#19]

See last line at #10

good job buddy, u really showed me.

jesus christ ur dissapointing

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Soddalele [#20]

good job buddy, u really showed me.

jesus christ ur dissapointing

Incorrect. I showed you why Fnatic was never great in a detailed post. You never showed me any counterpoint, just told me to Fnatic on it, so I returned the favor.

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Yuh_aye [#21]

Incorrect. I showed you why Fnatic was never great in a detailed post. You never showed me any counterpoint, just told me to Fnatic on it, so I returned the favor.

see last line at #10, im done with u, go crave attention elsewhere u freak

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GambleNats

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Yuh_aye [#13]

calling tokyo a fluke is crazy. considering prx cant win a b05

PRX can't win bo5s is a meme but its not a serious point (they beat GEN.G in a bo5 btw, right before they won shanghai). The fact is that with something, they were immediately better than Fnatic for a year straight. And their best form that they were ever in was Champs 23, literally one month after Tokyo.

the mickey mouse format only had 2 teams that were good that didnt do well in lock//in

We actually don't know who was really good or bad at that time due to the mickey mouse format (as well as being preseason). The worst team of all time -'23 Karmine Corp - looked promising vs Loud, as did GEN.G who were also really bad. The there was C9 beating PRX (lmao) and Navi also looking good (NAVI was terrible all year except for 2 games during champs).

optic should be the only ones questioned for visa issue tournament wins

It's not like the same rules don't apply...

winning meaningless bo5 but losing numerous important ones isnt a good track record. face it prx was never gonna beat fnatic who lost to two teams the entire year.
having a close game with a good team has historically not mattered when scaling how good another team is.

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GambleNats [#23]

winning meaningless bo5 but losing numerous important ones isnt a good track record. face it prx was never gonna beat fnatic who lost to two teams the entire year.

having a close game with a good team has historically not mattered when scaling how good another team is.

face it prx was never gonna beat fnatic who lost to two teams the entire year

Did a whole write up of why this is isn't true and the evidence suggests the exact opposite, take a look at the PRX portion in particular, it's one only paragraph: https://www.vlr.gg/393738/fnatic-was-never-great TLDR: Everything that happened for the next year suggested that they would have

Wanna know why they only lost to two teams?

barely won preseason tourney (no losses obv) ------>

Dominates bum league (name the 2nd best team in EMEA '23 and what they accomplished) (1 loss to liquid, probably a fluke, liquid was trash)------>

Plays 3 teams at Tokyo, only one of which they were truly better than. PRX would very likely have, and EG forsure would have beaten them if not for visa issues affecting their star players ('0' losses) ------>

Runs into the 3rd best team at champs twice, would have definitely, without any doubt, lost to PRX and EG at this point, had they faced them (2 losses to same team) ------> "wE oNlY lOSt tO tWo TeAmS tHe EnTiRe YeAr"

having a close game with a good team has historically not mattered when scaling how good another team is

The entire basis of scaling is by looking at how teams do against each other. Obviously not perfect, but nothing is in this world. There is literally no other way.

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Yuh_aye [#24]

face it prx was never gonna beat fnatic who lost to two teams the entire year

Did a whole write up of why this is isn't true and the evidence suggests the exact opposite, take a look at the PRX portion in particular, it's one only paragraph: https://www.vlr.gg/393738/fnatic-was-never-great TLDR: Everything that happened for the next year suggested that they would have

Wanna know why they only lost to two teams?

barely won preseason tourney (no losses obv) ------>

Dominates bum league (name the 2nd best team in EMEA '23 and what they accomplished) (1 loss to liquid, probably a fluke, liquid was trash)------>

Plays 3 teams at Tokyo, only one of which they were truly better than. PRX would very likely have, and EG forsure would have beaten them if not for visa issues affecting their star players ('0' losses) ------>

Runs into the 3rd best team at champs twice, would have definitely, without any doubt, lost to PRX and EG at this point, had they faced them (2 losses to same team) ------> "wE oNlY lOSt tO tWo TeAmS tHe EnTiRe YeAr"

having a close game with a good team has historically not mattered when scaling how good another team is

The entire basis of scaling is by looking at how teams do against each other. Obviously not perfect, but nothing is in this world. There is literally no other way.

none of this is relevant as where are them teams now? The rankings are the rankings and regardless of all the "stats" and excuses ppl come up with, the reality is FNC have trophies because of boaster and the team. The same way so do others. Luck is part of the game and that sometimes means teams win over others in stupid ways when their "peak" is significantly different.

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KyLZi

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TM06Nick [#8]

If you've ever watched an FNC game, boaster micros all 4 players on his team

Just like an RTS

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kingop3n [#25]

none of this is relevant as where are them teams now? The rankings are the rankings and regardless of all the "stats" and excuses ppl come up with, the reality is FNC have trophies because of boaster and the team. The same way so do others. Luck is part of the game and that sometimes means teams win over others in stupid ways when their "peak" is significantly different.

what is all this incoherent yapping? i didn't even use the words 'stats' or 'luck'

the reality is FNC have trophies because of boaster and the team

They have one trophy (the worthless one broke on the plane) that they got because the other two best teams at the time (Champs #1 and #2) had visa issues that for their star duelists (Pacific MVP and Future Champs MVP).

Here's a chronological timeline of Fnatic's placements at majors in the franchising era
#1 (visa issues)
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4th (no visa issues)
Missing (no visa issues)
7th/8th (no visa issues)
5th/6th (no visa issues)

Spot the pattern

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athemys

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Yuh_aye, you are legit clueless, but keep on spewing random bullshit, cuz it's hella entertaining.

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Yuh_aye [#27]

what is all this incoherent yapping? i didn't even use the words 'stats' or 'luck'

the reality is FNC have trophies because of boaster and the team

They have one trophy (the worthless one broke on the plane) that they got because the other two best teams at the time (Champs #1 and #2) had visa issues that for their star duelists (Pacific MVP and Future Champs MVP).

Here's a chronological timeline of Fnatic's placements at majors in the franchising era
#1 (visa issues)
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4th (no visa issues)
Missing (no visa issues)
7th/8th (no visa issues)
5th/6th (no visa issues)

Spot the pattern

literally nobody cares. as Boo said stats are for people who dont know how to play the game. get over it. they placed where they are and they did good. enjoy the games played. the meta changed within those tournaments ppl got added to teams, teams anti strat. just watch the games nerd

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athemys [#28]

Yuh_aye, you are legit clueless, but keep on spewing random bullshit, cuz it's hella entertaining.

I can name 2 teams that were better than Fnatic when they won Tokyo, but the boaster fangirls just can't accept the obvious 😂😂😂