how is geng vs fnc's year a debate

saw so many people saying if geng make finals their year will be better than fnc's 2023
unless geng win champs there is literally no debate about the 2 teams years

fnc lost 8 maps from kickoff - emea league - tokyo (only 3 maps internationally)
fnc almost had a flawless split losing 1 map in regular season (played with sub kamyk)
and fnc ended the year with losing 13 maps in total

whereas geng has lost 7 GAMES (lost 29 maps) from kickoff -madrid - split 1 - shanghai (+8 more maps so far including split 2 and champs)

ngl i havent seen threads on this maybe thats just me tho

FNC are the most DOMINANT team ever in Valorant so far

however, on the other hand, GEN.G are the best team in Valorant so far as well, if they win Champs it will cement themselves in the history books

there is 100% an argument for geng to be the best team in history if they make grand finals

there is still an argument if they even make 3rd

The difference is that Gen.G didn't win the flukiest event ever (fluke in). Gen.G won actual trophies while Flukenatic won mickey tournaments.

Flukenatic shat the bed when it mattered the most (champs)

shrike- [#4]

there is 100% an argument for geng to be the best team in history if they make grand finals

there is still an argument if they even make 3rd

just no?
fnc still has 2 trophies and a 4th at champs (THEY LOST 13 MAPS TOTALLY that year)

geng have lost already lost madrid and so many maps and series
u just cant argue unless they win champs

Fraudnatic won a mickey mouse invitational and pulled off the biggest fluke of all time. Lost to loud two times in the most important tournament of that year.

arin2016 [#5]

The difference is that Gen.G didn't win the flukiest event ever (fluke in). Gen.G won actual trophies while Flukenatic won mickey tournaments.

Flukenatic shat the bed when it mattered the most (champs)

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sad_gambit_fan [#6]

just no?
fnc still has 2 trophies and a 4th at champs (THEY LOST 13 MAPS TOTALLY that year)

geng have lost already lost madrid and so many maps and series
u just cant argue unless they win champs

i can for sure argue because their worst placement at any event this year would be 2nd if they make grand finals

In terms of consistency 2023 fnc must be better

arin2016 [#5]

The difference is that Gen.G didn't win the flukiest event ever (fluke in). Gen.G won actual trophies while Flukenatic won mickey tournaments.

Flukenatic shat the bed when it mattered the most (champs)

if u think lock in is a bad event then kickoff is equally bad

and again look at the rest of the year then if u dont take lock in's performance into consideration
ur saying they shad the bed when they lost to loud twice but still ended top 4

Ohio [#10]

In terms of consistency 2023 fnc must be better

are u guys even reading the post fully
they lost 13 maps in total and were flawless the entire year , they literally lost 6/13 maps to loud

geng have literally lost series to rrq and ts but u guys just erase that from ur memory

FNC played 66 maps in total last year and GENG have played 97 so far

fnc almost had a flawless split losing 1 map in regular season (played with sub kamyk)

This isn't as big as people make it out to be when you remember that 2023 EMEA was almost entirely dog shit with the exception of Fnatic.

Crazy how their dominance dropped off a cliff once teams actually remembered how to play the games.

Wezzaa [#13]

FNC played 66 maps in total last year and GENG have played 97 so far

yea thats cuz of kickoff and geng have lost more series?

Tooker [#14]

fnc almost had a flawless split losing 1 map in regular season (played with sub kamyk)

This isn't as big as people make it out to be when you remember that 2023 EMEA was almost entirely dog shit with the exception of Fnatic.

Crazy how their dominance dropped off a cliff once teams actually remembered how to play the games.

they almost 2-0d every team they played
they only lost 13 maps that year and 6 of them were to loud

just funny how u guys dont look at ACTUAL stats and just say shit when geng have lost games to rrq and ts and losing maps to bleed and ge

like make it make sense

sad_gambit_fan [#11]

if u think lock in is a bad event then kickoff is equally bad

and again look at the rest of the year then if u dont take lock in's performance into consideration
ur saying they shad the bed when they lost to loud twice but still ended top 4

They won red bull lmao. That's the rest of the year. The only meaningful thing they won was Tokyo. Regional wins hardly matter when you realize that EMEA league is beyond farmers league, it's like Camel league in terms of football.

Gen.G won regionals twice this year, won a non-Mickey masters, and is about to win a Champs. It's not a debate, let it rest.

geng literally lost a map to bleed

sad_gambit_fan [#16]

they almost 2-0d every team they played
they only lost 13 maps that year and 6 of them were to loud

just funny how u guys dont look at ACTUAL stats and just say shit when geng have lost games to rrq and ts and losing maps to bleed and ge

like make it make sense

GenG are playing teams that were better then the ones Fnatic were playing. You play better teams, you're gonna lose more games/rounds.

FNC with the same roster couldn't win any games at internationals (except BLG) while GenG have been in the grand finals of 2/3 so far winning one of them. Not to mention GenG have literally beat Fnatic with the same 2023 roster.

Fnatic only changed their coach. So unless you wanna say he was the only reason they were winning, which wouldn't make them the best team of all time.

Harapan845 [#18]

geng literally lost a map to bleed

I think thats just how gen g is, they are in a different mode when it comes to international tournaments or regional playoffs. Gen g might lose a match or 2 but u can never fully eliminate them. (Hope this wont age badly)

sad_gambit_fan [#12]

are u guys even reading the post fully
they lost 13 maps in total and were flawless the entire year , they literally lost 6/13 maps to loud

geng have literally lost series to rrq and ts but u guys just erase that from ur memory

Bro you are arguing with brain damaged bots

Azzelastia [#7]

Fraudnatic won a mickey mouse invitational and pulled off the biggest fluke of all time. Lost to loud two times in the most important tournament of that year.

this is a comparsion to geng's year
they lost to loud twice and still ended top 4 at that event
fnc lost 13 maps in total while winning 2 trophies and a 4th at champs

geng have only won 1 trophy and have dropped 8 games and 37 maps so far

just look at the stats and how are u even trying to debate

SimoVatrogasac [#21]

Bro you are arguing with brain damaged bots

i dont understand

like these guys's arguement is lockin was a bad event (they can just look at the rest of the year still) and but for geng somehow a 8 team masters isnt?

GENG will have a better Year if they place Top 2

It'll be undisputed if they win Champions 2024 and the naysayers are just retarded EU shitters (real)

Tooker [#19]

GenG are playing teams that were better then the ones Fnatic were playing. You play better teams, you're gonna lose more games/rounds.

FNC with the same roster couldn't win any games at internationals (except BLG) while GenG have been in the grand finals of 2/3 so far winning one of them. Not to mention GenG have literally beat Fnatic with the same 2023 roster.

Fnatic only changed their coach. So unless you wanna say he was the only reason they were winning, which wouldn't make them the best team of all time.

dude what im comparing the years and runs of the teams obviously current geng/heretics and whatever other top teams are going to be better than top teams from the previous year?

maybe fnc were that much better than their opponents last year?
and FNC LITERALLY WON 2/3 EVENTS last year beating loud / prx / eg / nrg / drx??

dont think u understand my post
im talking about the entire team and how good their runs are for the year

2023 competition was shit, only fnatic was the good team in emea and pacific was also shit excluding prx

sad_gambit_fan [#15]

yea thats cuz of kickoff and geng have lost more series?

im not saying anything wrong im just saying its a metric

Peak Fnatic vs every team = Now Geng vs bad team

crackx20 [#26]

2023 competition was shit, only fnatic was the good team in emea and pacific was also shit excluding prx

doesnt change anything fnatic was light-years ahead of the competition

sad_gambit_fan [#6]

just no?
fnc still has 2 trophies and a 4th at champs (THEY LOST 13 MAPS TOTALLY that year)

geng have lost already lost madrid and so many maps and series
u just cant argue unless they win champs

I don’t think anyone cares as much as to bring up maps lost maps ur fighting ghosts bro

now that geng have lost, hopefully people will look at the numbers and stats and actually appreciate fnatic's 2023 run

NO TEAM HAS COME CLOSE TO THEIR RUN

sad_gambit_fan [#31]

now that geng have lost, hopefully people will look at the numbers and stats and actually appreciate fnatic's 2023 run

NO TEAM HAS COME CLOSE TO THEIR RUN

I think only 2025 Fnatic can beat their 2023 run (healthy leo and not mentally creamed B0tster)

sad_gambit_fan [#6]

just no?
fnc still has 2 trophies and a 4th at champs (THEY LOST 13 MAPS TOTALLY that year)

geng have lost already lost madrid and so many maps and series
u just cant argue unless they win champs

they actually don't have 2 trophies, the first one was so worthless it instantly fell apart 😂😂😂