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Kaplan about Sentinels Ascent comp

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#1
ButterflyEffect23

When asked about why are Sentinels running Deadlock comp on Ascent, Kaplan said -

"The biggest reason we picked up this comp was because everyone else is winning with it but we aren't which sucks.

Our attack is fine, but we have problems on defense with this comp."

Kinda sounds like desperation, no?
Also, having problems with defense while you have Deadlock is kinda crazy

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nobody___100
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having problems on defense ascent with two sentinels is atrocious

#3
Pooh
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Maybe he's running out of ideas? Whatever it is it sounds like a confidence-killer.

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kirrans
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how is ur team name sentinels and u can't defend i'd just disband

#5
sergueiessenine
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"others are good enough to pull it off but we're just too dogshit" 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

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ButterflyEffect23
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nobody___100 [#2]

having problems on defense ascent with two sentinels is atrocious

yeah, that's what I'm saying

and it's not like their attack is clean either

they can't really defend properly and they'll get shut down on attack, so how do you win

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Upstander123
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I think there's only like 3 teams total running this comp in t1 val, wdym everyone else

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shrike-
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mxs pioneered this ascent comp, i’m pretty sure, and they ended up losing to tsm with it to knock them out of ascension quals

it doesn’t work just because sometimes teams like lev win with it

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ButterflyEffect23 [#6]

yeah, that's what I'm saying

and it's not like their attack is clean either

they can't really defend properly and they'll get shut down on attack, so how do you win

geng didn’t even play super good on ascent compared to their haven; they got a lot of gaps in their ascent comp but good thing fpx don’t play that map

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seya
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If he's the only one its not working with, maybe he's using it wrong? Idk tho I'm not a coach

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sideshowsbaldhead
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shrike- [#8]

mxs pioneered this ascent comp, i’m pretty sure, and they ended up losing to tsm with it to knock them out of ascension quals

it doesn’t work just because sometimes teams like lev win with it

nip ran it first back in china ascension i think, they were literally the first team to use deadlock in pro

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sideshowsbaldhead [#11]

nip ran it first back in china ascension i think, they were literally the first team to use deadlock in pro

Fayde my goat

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nobody___100
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ButterflyEffect23 [#6]

yeah, that's what I'm saying

and it's not like their attack is clean either

they can't really defend properly and they'll get shut down on attack, so how do you win

i mean they went 3/5 on attack in rounds won which isn't bad at all on ascent (even if they won pistol)
deadlock shines in postplant scenarios mostly, but trading out flashes for deadlock is not a good choice

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ButterflyEffect23
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nobody___100 [#13]

i mean they went 3/5 on attack in rounds won which isn't bad at all on ascent (even if they won pistol)
deadlock shines in postplant scenarios mostly, but trading out flashes for deadlock is not a good choice

they won pistol and bonus, and one singular gun round as the attack, so...

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sideshowsbaldhead [#11]

nip ran it first back in china ascension i think, they were literally the first team to use deadlock in pro

ah you’re right

but even then, nip had minimal success with the comp regardless, they had some good games but they ended up losing to drg to knock them out

this comp really only works if you have the shooters to execute the plays that are built around it and it doesn’t look like sen have that

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ButterflyEffect23 [#14]

they won pistol and bonus, and one singular gun round as the attack, so...

4 on attack for ascent is fine, which they would have gotten
but defense is atrocious

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ButterflyEffect23
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shrike- [#15]

ah you’re right

but even then, nip had minimal success with the comp regardless, they had some good games but they ended up losing to drg to knock them out

this comp really only works if you have the shooters to execute the plays that are built around it and it doesn’t look like sen have that

NiP were winning against middle of the pack teams/teams of their level with this comp I believe

When they were up against the stronger/mechanically better opposition, NiP were getting shut down

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dort
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I guess we found who the problem is

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cloudberry
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shrike- [#15]

ah you’re right

but even then, nip had minimal success with the comp regardless, they had some good games but they ended up losing to drg to knock them out

this comp really only works if you have the shooters to execute the plays that are built around it and it doesn’t look like sen have that

The only team they lost to with that comp is DRG (who are miles better than them and also very very good at Ascent)

#20
Simp4S0m
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Ain’t no way bro just said we copied someone’s homework 💀💀

#21
ButterflyEffect23
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Simp4S0m [#20]

Ain’t no way bro just said we copied someone’s homework 💀💀

how are you doing broski

#22
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OMG bro kaplan......If it is not working, STOP. This is champions, instead of overcooking with these comps, how about you focus on having your players play to their strength. If the team is coordinated and playing off their win conditions, there would be no need for these deadlock picks.

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Monsteiur [#22]

OMG bro kaplan......If it is not working, STOP. This is champions, instead of overcooking with these comps, how about you focus on having your players play to their strength. If the team is coordinated and playing off their win conditions, there would be no need for these deadlock picks.

maybe their Ascent is just that bad and default comp is not working for them anyways so they try to cheese with Deadlock

#24
Denjisideals
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It's just sad. He is not a bad coach but some of his decisions are ones I cannot defend. He tries but sometimes trying is not enough. Change needs to be done.

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ButterflyEffect23
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Denjisideals [#24]

It's just sad. He is not a bad coach but some of his decisions are ones I cannot defend. He tries but sometimes trying is not enough. Change needs to be done.

you think SEN should kick Kaplan?

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ButterflyEffect23 [#23]

maybe their Ascent is just that bad and default comp is not working for them anyways so they try to cheese with Deadlock

If the default comp doesn’t work for them, i don’t think there is any hope for the deadlock comp

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ButterflyEffect23 [#23]

maybe their Ascent is just that bad and default comp is not working for them anyways so they try to cheese with Deadlock

Also, I think Zellsis should have been the one on the deadlock, not john

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ButterflyEffect23
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Monsteiur [#26]

If the default comp doesn’t work for them, i don’t think there is any hope for the deadlock comp

real

#29
smthlikeyou11
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nobody___100 [#2]

having problems on defense ascent with two sentinels is atrocious

actually they have 5 sentinels

#30
ButterflyEffect23
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smthlikeyou11 [#29]

actually they have 5 sentinels

...

#31
ayayaay
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smthlikeyou11 [#29]

actually they have 5 sentinels

i see what you did there

#32
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Upstander123 [#7]

I think there's only like 3 teams total running this comp in t1 val, wdym everyone else

Lev, fnc, and sen yea?

#33
Animosity07
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Dude is cooked, he looks like life ran him over 3 times

#34
Asokra
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nobody___100 [#2]

having problems on defense ascent with two sentinels is atrocious

2 sentinels doesn't = better defense... A kayo with A main info and retake flashes is a way better defensive agent.

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nobody___100
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Asokra [#34]

2 sentinels doesn't = better defense... A kayo with A main info and retake flashes is a way better defensive agent.

yes i agree, see #13. my point was that the justification for having 2 sentinels is a better defense half, which sen didn't have.

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Monsteiur [#27]

Also, I think Zellsis should have been the one on the deadlock, not john

john doesnt play off of his deadlock trips on defence

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