can someone fill me in with the flashback drama? I haven't seen anyone speak about it on twitter or anything.
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Simp4S0m [#2]Bro didn't pull out (allegedly)
lol what i heard something about the girl being underage or something
envyz [#3]lol what i heard something about the girl being underage or something
From what I can tell, while she was underaged, he was 6 months older than her. The allegations did sound way worse than what it seems to be.
envyz [#3]lol what i heard something about the girl being underage or something
I think she was like 17 I think but Flashback was 18 (Korean years make things complicated, so correct me if I am wrong), so it turned out age wasn't really the issue at hand
plus the translations being scuffed made things more complicated
envyz [#3]lol what i heard something about the girl being underage or something
both are underage at least in kr
Upstander123 [#6]From what I can tell, while she was underaged, he was 6 months older than her. The allegations did sound way worse than what it seems to be.
6 months? so why is it even being talked about?
envyz [#9]6 months? so why is it even being talked about?
Ik with all the pedo cases lately it seems like all cases are about that but no. The issue here is rape not pedophilia
Mortadelo [#10]Ik with all the pedo cases lately it seems like all cases are about that but no. The issue here is rape not pedophilia
wait i guess the sex was consensual bro just aint pull out now its drama 💀
Mortadelo [#10]Ik with all the pedo cases lately it seems like all cases are about that but no. The issue here is rape not pedophilia
It's not rape
toofan1 [#16]If both agreed for sx , then how it is rpe??
Ejaculating inside someone without permission is indeed, rape
Mortadelo [#17]Exactly, which is rape xD
rape is sexual penetration by force.
(it can be without force if pedophilia is involved or if someone couldn’t consent)
Mortadelo [#18]Ejaculating inside someone without permission is indeed, rape
Oh mb
I don't know a lot about that stuff
Mb I am dumb ig
Mortadelo [#18]Ejaculating inside someone without permission is indeed, rape
you literally have the entire internet at your fingertips yet would decide not to use it
merciless-pity8989-89 [#22]you literally have the entire internet at your fingertips yet would decide not to use it
Ok buddy, whatever you say. What would you call it then
Mortadelo [#18]Ejaculating inside someone without permission is indeed, rape
nope, rape is when either one of both parties cannot or do not consent to intercourse
fun_at_the_waterslide [#24]nope, rape is when either one of both parties cannot or do not consent to intercourse
So you once you consent to intercourse you can do whatever tf you want? Ok bro lmao
Mortadelo [#25]So you once you consent to intercourse you can do whatever tf you want? Ok bro lmao
If consent is given for sex from both parties, and both parties are in a position to consent (i.e. not intoxicated or under the age of consent), it cannot by definition be rape. You are conflating two different things into rape, which is incorrect.
Mortadelo [#23]Ok buddy, whatever you say. What would you call it then
sexual negligence, what happens when an individual fails to take reasonable precautions during or before sex
The fact they had unprotected sex and faced one of the most common results of having unprotected sex makes this the most suitable definition. It is also not an illegal act and the girl literally said he didn’t do anything illegal. As well as the org stating that he didn’t do anything illegal
merciless-pity8989-89 [#29]sexual negligence, what happens when an individual fails to take reasonable precautions during or before sex
The fact they had unprotected sex and faced one of the most common results of having unprotected sex makes this the most suitable definition. It is also not an illegal act and the girl literally said he didn’t do anything illegal. As well as the org stating that he didn’t do anything illegal
Nope, completely different thing. The issue here is not the unprotected sex, they agreed to that part. The issue is ejaculating without consent, an I'm sorry if you don't see anything wrong there idk what to tell you. It's not a crime in Korea, sure, that doesn't change it's name tho
fun_at_the_waterslide [#28]If consent is given for sex from both parties, and both parties are in a position to consent (i.e. not intoxicated or under the age of consent), it cannot by definition be rape. You are conflating two different things into rape, which is incorrect.
sexual abuse, call it what you will
Mortadelo [#31]sexual abuse, call it what you will
''call it what you will'' is a very dangerous mindset to have, you should be educated in this aspect as it's a very sensitive subject.
Abuse is repeated, and there no evidence of that. The only thing you could attribute it to maybe is Sexual Battery, but even then there is enough ambiguity to leave it no merit.
Mortadelo [#30]Nope, completely different thing. The issue here is not the unprotected sex, they agreed to that part. The issue is ejaculating without consent, an I'm sorry if you don't see anything wrong there idk what to tell you. It's not a crime in Korea, sure, that doesn't change it's name tho
that’s not a crime fucking anywhere. did you not have sex ed classes????
fun_at_the_waterslide [#32]''call it what you will'' is a very dangerous mindset to have, you should be educated in this aspect as it's a very sensitive subject.
Abuse is repeated, and there no evidence of that. The only thing you could attribute it to maybe is Sexual Battery, but even then there is enough ambiguity to leave it no merit.
I'm sorry but you're trying to educate people when you're absolutely clueless yourself, a quick google search will tell you "Abuse is repeated" that it's just not true. Rape is sexual abuse
And call it what you will means idc what name you give it the action is the same one and means the exact same thing you give it the name you give it
"but even then there is enough ambiguity to leave it no merit". No, according to her she stated she was against that before the sex
And this has nothing to do with evidence, I'm arguing what he is being accused of, not if he is guilty, completely different things
merciless-pity8989-89 [#33]that’s not a crime fucking anywhere. did you not have sex ed classes????
Yes it is, in Spain it is, you're not the center of the world. But that is literally not the point, idc if it's a crime in Kr. It not being a crime doesn't change the action
Mortadelo [#34]I'm sorry but you're trying to educate people when you're absolutely clueless yourself, a quick google search will tell you "Abuse is repeated" that it's just not true. Rape is sexual abuse
And call it what you will means idc what name you give it the action is the same one and means the exact same thing you give it the name you give it
"but even then there is enough ambiguity to leave it no merit". No, according to her she stated she was against that before the sex
And this has nothing to do with evidence, I'm arguing what he is being accused of, not if he is guilty, completely different things
Let's be clear, I'm not trying to educate you, I am telling you to educate your self. I have been educated on this topic professionally but that does not mean I can educate others, I am merely suggesting that you should seek a professional to educate you as a matter of opinion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse
sexual abuse is a term used for a persistent pattern of sexual assaults.
You should at least do the due diligence of doing 'a quick google search' before you tell others to do so.
From what she has said, the sex was consensual, not the ejaculation, but in several legal cases where this has happened the ruling has been that's far too ambiguous to be treated as Sexual Battery.
And there is nothing to argue about the accusations, they are obviously bad. I'm surprised that needs to be said.
toofan1 [#20]Oh mb
I don't know a lot about that stuff
Mb I am dumb ig
it's just because you're indian dw
fun_at_the_waterslide [#36]Let's be clear, I'm not trying to educate you, I am telling you to educate your self. I have been educated on this topic professionally but that does not mean I can educate others, I am merely suggesting that you should seek a professional to educate you as a matter of opinion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse
sexual abuse is a term used for a persistent pattern of sexual assaults.
You should at least do the due diligence of doing 'a quick google search' before you tell others to do so.
From what she has said, the sex was consensual, not the ejaculation, but in several legal cases where this has happened the ruling has been that's far too ambiguous to be treated as Sexual Battery.
And there is nothing to argue about the accusations, they are obviously bad. I'm surprised that needs to be said.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/sexual-abuse
It definitely does not have to be repeated, plenty of types of abuse that don't have to be repeated
she claims to have specifically stated that, which is not ambiguous, what it is, is impossible to proof. That being said, here in Spain for example is indeed a recognized form of rape and sexual abuse
Mortadelo [#38]https://www.britannica.com/topic/sexual-abuse
It definitely does not have to be repeated, plenty of types of abuse that don't have to be repeatedshe claims to have specifically stated that, which is not ambiguous, what it is, is impossible to proof. That being said, here in Spain for example is indeed a recognized form of rape and sexual abuse
from the very link you sent
sexual abuse overlaps with sexual assault, as both involve sexual contact without the victim’s consent. The former, however, usually involves a series of acts of criminal sexual contact committed by a single perpetrator (or group of perpetrators) over a prolonged period, whereas the latter usually consists of a particular act committed by a perpetrator (or group of perpetrators) against a single person.
Again, it cannot be sexual abuse or rape by definition. This extends to Spain:
From a Spanish law firm: https://www.pineradelolmo.com/sexual-offences-in-spain/#:~:text=the%20victim%20complies.-,Rape,from%20six%20to%20twelve%20years.
A person shall be guilty under Article 179 of the Penal Code when the sexual assault consists of vaginal, anal or oral penetration, or inserting body parts or objects into either of the former two orifices. A person convicted of rape shall be given a sentence of imprisonment from six to twelve years.
No mention of non-consensual ejaculation
fun_at_the_waterslide [#39]from the very link you sent
sexual abuse overlaps with sexual assault, as both involve sexual contact without the victim’s consent. The former, however, usually involves a series of acts of criminal sexual contact committed by a single perpetrator (or group of perpetrators) over a prolonged period, whereas the latter usually consists of a particular act committed by a perpetrator (or group of perpetrators) against a single person.
Again, it cannot be sexual abuse or rape by definition. This extends to Spain:
From a Spanish law firm: https://www.pineradelolmo.com/sexual-offences-in-spain/#:~:text=the%20victim%20complies.-,Rape,from%20six%20to%20twelve%20years.
A person shall be guilty under Article 179 of the Penal Code when the sexual assault consists of vaginal, anal or oral penetration, or inserting body parts or objects into either of the former two orifices. A person convicted of rape shall be given a sentence of imprisonment from six to twelve years.
No mention of non-consensual ejaculation
Ik, it's a quite recent law that includes it, which btw is an absolutely ridiculous law you might wanna check it out if you're interested it's commonly known as the "Solo Si es Si" law.
I also explicitly know it's a crime because an influencer in Spain bragged about doing exactly what flashback is accused of and I believe wasn't prosecuted because the law wasn't passed yet. But here you have the textual words of one of the spanish ministers addressing the situation (You might need to translate)
Quitarse el preservativo o eyacular dentro sin consentimiento es hoy abuso sexual y la Ley #SoloSíesSí lo reconocerá como agresión.
Presumir ante 26 millones de seguidores de algo así refleja la urgencia de poner el consentimiento en el centro. Lo pondremos en conocimiento de Fiscalía.
Mortadelo [#35]Yes it is, in Spain it is, you're not the center of the world. But that is literally not the point, idc if it's a crime in Kr. It not being a crime doesn't change the action
worst case scenario in spain, is borderline sexual assaults. The indicator of what defines rape is very precise and is the same everywhere in the world barring some 3rd world countries. Also, you clearly don’t live in korea so don’t try apply your law to an issue involving ppl living in korea and korean citizens
merciless-pity8989-89 [#41]worst case scenario in spain, is borderline sexual assaults. The indicator of what defines rape is very precise and is the same everywhere in the world barring some 3rd world countries. Also, you clearly don’t live in korea so don’t try apply your law to an issue involving ppl living in korea and korean citizens
I'm not applying my law, it being sexual abuse it's completely independent to it being legal or illegal. Something can be illegal somewhere and legal somewhere else but that doesn't change the action
And here you have one of the Spanish Ministers Irene Montero explicitly stating how this is indeed sexual abuse and a crime under our law https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2297132910424119&id=699285113542248&set=a.699902230147203
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