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Ending the Americas vs. EMEA Debate [ALLAT]

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Subreezy

Why do people try to claim their region's superiority over the other? How can one region claim they are better than the other? At this moment in time, both regions are the most equal in stats and trophies than they have ever been. Ironically there's more similarities than the fans care to admit. Here's my statistical analysis of the history of EMEA vs. Americas Valorant:

EMEA Accomplishments:

  1. 5 Trophies
  2. Had Fnatic, an incredibly dominant team (1st LOCK//IN, 1st Tokyo 2023, 4th Champs 2023)
  3. Had Gambit, the 2nd most dominant EMEA team (1st Berlin 2021, 2nd Champs 2021)
  4. Had Acend, a team that won a Champs after a poor performance at the previous masters (5th-8th Berlin 2021, 1st Champs 2021)
  5. Had FPX, who could have won 2 masters back to back (DNP Reykjavik 2022 due to the war but was VERY dominant in stage 1, 1st Copenhagen 2022 with a sub for a few games)
  6. Currently no definitive best team (TH? FNC? even VIT?)

Americas Accomplishments:

  1. 5 Trophies
  2. Had Optic, an incredibly dominant team (1st Reykjavik 2022, 3rd Copenhagen 2022, 2nd Champs 2022)
  3. Had EG, the 2nd most dominant Americas team (2nd Tokyo 2023, 1st Champs 2023)
  4. Had LOUD, a team that won a Champs after a poor performance at the previous masters (Groups Copenhagen 2022, 1st Champs 2022)
  5. Had SEN, who won 2 masters 2 years apart (1st Reykjavik 2021 and 1st Madrid 2024)
  6. Currently no definitive best team (G2? LEV? even SEN?)

Common Arguments debating a better region:

Americas has 2 Champs while EMEA has 1!

Although Champs are definitely harder to win, Fnatic won LOCK//IN and Tokyo back to back which is also pretty impressive, something that Americas has never done. Additionally, FPX could have won Reykjavik and Copenhagen back to back but were stopped due to outside forces, so those together imo are equal to the 2nd Champs win.

LOCK//IN / Madrid doesn't count, fraud format and fraud masters!
  1. LOCK//IN is a difficult one to judge, since Fnatic only had to play 5 series' to finish 1st, but every team was on an even playing field and it was a unique single-elimination format where the pressure was on.
  2. Madrid was very similar to LOCK//IN, in the sense that both had original formats. While LOCK//IN had 32 teams and Madrid had 8, SEN arguably had a much harder run than Fnatic with TH (Shanghai runner up), KC (idk), LOUD (Champs 2022 win + Lock//In Core), PRX (constant podium finishes with core), and GenG (Shanghai winner) victories.
  3. Both Fnatic and SEN beat 5 teams to get their Trophy and both Grand Finals ended 3-2, meaning the Trophy could have gone either way.
Americas / EMEA is a very deep region with a lot of talent compared to Americas / EMEA!

While I think last year Americas definitely had a more competitive region (EG, LOUD, & NRG vs. FNC), this year I disagree. Neither region has a clear best team, and I can see any of those teams (referring to #6) winning Champs 2024, whether it's a "fluke victory" or not. How it always is with VLR: if your favorite team loses, it's a fluke, if the other region's best team loses, the region is washed. It's all hypocritical.

Send this to someone claiming one region is better than the other!

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welikefortniteandvalorant
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W yap sesh unc

Upvoted

#3
eklipse_val
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I in fact read allat

#4
zombzino
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Unc done lost it 🙏🙏🙏

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Subreezy
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welikefortniteandvalorant [#2]

W yap sesh unc

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thank you welikefortniteandvalorant

it just upsets me seeing all these people fight over which region is best when they are the most equal in current skill and history than they have ever been

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Madrid wasn't played on even grounds though. It was unfair to some teams like TH because they faced SEN and PRX in their only 2 matches. While KC got to play FPX to move forward.

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Bro thinks im gonna read allat😹😹😹😹
Messi clears where is pendus world cup

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Subreezy
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reaper_rega08 [#6]

Madrid wasn't played on even grounds though. It was unfair to some teams like TH because they faced SEN and PRX in their only 2 matches. While KC got to play FPX to move forward.

i mean if TH was better than SEN and PRX at Madrid then they would have won against them. The winner of the event had a statistically hard path to victory.

Compared to LOCK//IN, Fnatic played 3 Americas teams that were clearly not in form but had great victories against DRX 2022 core and LOUD 2022 core, 2 teams that were proven to be good

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Subreezy
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EMRRN [#7]

Bro thinks im gonna read allat😹😹😹😹
Messi clears where is pendus world cup

i added [ALLAT] to account for zoomer attention spans 🔥 read a book

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EMRRN
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Subreezy [#9]

i added [ALLAT] to account for zoomer attention spans 🔥 read a book

Yap yap yap eu clears messi drops 106 kills

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TooCaution_Heartless
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it all about show me your brave heart
VAMOUSSS

#12
catNmouse
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i thought this was a sentinelmain377 thread

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Harapan845
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so it comes to whos better tenz or chronicle

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Conceit
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You seem to have neglected to a few things for the sake of keeping similarities. For both Fnatic and Optic they had another second place finish you didn't mention. The framing for Loud to be the same as Acend is insane to me, Loud also had two 2nd place and a 4th place finish you didn't mention. Also putting "could have won" and "did win" on the same level is pretty disingenuous.

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sentinelmain377
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Subreezy [#5]

thank you welikefortniteandvalorant

it just upsets me seeing all these people fight over which region is best when they are the most equal in current skill and history than they have ever been

Thing is. For 2023, it was FNC > EG LOUD NRG > NAVI FUT GIANTS TL > rest of all teams from Americas and Emea

So it EMEA wasn’t as much of a 1 team region as ppl think

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nobody___100
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okay but 0c0nd mickey

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AltonBu02
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Harapan845 [#13]

so it comes to whos better tenz or chronicle

Aspas

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Harapan845
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AltonBu02 [#17]

Aspas

yep im dumb

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sentinelmain377
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Subreezy [#8]

i mean if TH was better than SEN and PRX at Madrid then they would have won against them. The winner of the event had a statistically hard path to victory.

Compared to LOCK//IN, Fnatic played 3 Americas teams that were clearly not in form but had great victories against DRX 2022 core and LOUD 2022 core, 2 teams that were proven to be good

U mean NAVI 2022 core and LOUD 2022 core but yeah. Another reason why lock//in isn’t fraudulent is cuz lockin has the same top 5 teams as champs 2022

LOUD OPTIC DRX FPX FNC/XSET -> FNC LOUD DRX NAVI (fpx) NRG (optic)

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StutterSt3p
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It's funny how this does the exact opposite of end the debate lmao

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Subreezy
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StutterSt3p [#20]

It's funny how this does the exact opposite of end the debate lmao

at least it makes the debate about factual statements rather than baiters fueling the fire

the title is just clickbait of course i’m not gonna single-handedly end it

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sentinelmain377
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Conceit [#14]

You seem to have neglected to a few things for the sake of keeping similarities. For both Fnatic and Optic they had another second place finish you didn't mention. The framing for Loud to be the same as Acend is insane to me, Loud also had two 2nd place and a 4th place finish you didn't mention. Also putting "could have won" and "did win" on the same level is pretty disingenuous.

He missed A LOT of things
Emea has a better record against americas internationally still

Emea has brought all teams from their region to playoffs of international event more times than americas

Emea has a better record against pacific than americas against pacific

Emea has a better record against china than americas against china

https://www.vlr.gg/366301/americas-vs-emea-comparison/

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Kxtqqh
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Subreezy [#21]

at least it makes the debate about factual statements rather than baiters fueling the fire

the title is just clickbait of course i’m not gonna single-handedly end it

W

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sheahhhh
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sentinelmain377 [#22]

He missed A LOT of things
Emea has a better record against americas internationally still

Emea has brought all teams from their region to playoffs of international event more times than americas

Emea has a better record against pacific than americas against pacific

Emea has a better record against china than americas against china

https://www.vlr.gg/366301/americas-vs-emea-comparison/

whats NA record agaist EU

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StutterSt3p
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Subreezy [#21]

at least it makes the debate about factual statements rather than baiters fueling the fire

the title is just clickbait of course i’m not gonna single-handedly end it

Baiters are gonna bait anyway, but I guess respect the effort lol.

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Harapan845
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sheahhhh [#24]

whats NA record agaist EU

Head-to-Head Series Score: EMEA 39 : AMER 35

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Conceit
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sentinelmain377 [#22]

He missed A LOT of things
Emea has a better record against americas internationally still

Emea has brought all teams from their region to playoffs of international event more times than americas

Emea has a better record against pacific than americas against pacific

Emea has a better record against china than americas against china

https://www.vlr.gg/366301/americas-vs-emea-comparison/

Yeah it's like really bad, he REALLY wanted the whole narrative of the regions being similar to exist

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sheahhhh
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Harapan845 [#26]

Head-to-Head Series Score: EMEA 39 : AMER 35

NA not Americas as a whole i said

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Harapan845
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sheahhhh [#28]

NA not Americas as a whole i said

oh shit sry

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Kxtqqh
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StutterSt3p [#25]

Baiters are gonna bait anyway, but I guess respect the effort lol.

let the baiters bait, the fact that they will do anything to prove you wrong even if you aren't won't fix their mental retardation.

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sheahhhh
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Harapan845 [#29]

oh shit sry

all g, im actually curious, NA was up before shanghai, but there were some Ls taken there

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StutterSt3p
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Kxtqqh [#30]

let the baiters bait, the fact that they will do anything to prove you wrong even if you aren't won't fix their mental retardation.

Yeah I know, but I'm just saying it's a lot of writing just to see the same inter-region back and forth anyway.

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StutterSt3p [#32]

Yeah I know, but I'm just saying it's a lot of writing just to see the same inter-region back and forth anyway.

happens

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madrid isnt fraudulent

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Subreezy
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ctabust [#34]

madrid isnt fraudulent

yes, that’s what i said

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