NRG

Would they have been better off sticking with Marved and Demon1 to close out the year and then after the split getting S0M and FNS for next year?

remove cockter
remove cockshies
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add + marved

Why people are still hyping FNS up I will never understand

ascention [#3]

Why people are still hyping FNS up I will never understand

because hes one of the best igls in NA

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Why people are still hyping FNS up I will never understand

His calling was very good even after the long break. NRG had a better attack side every map with him on the roster compared to when Ethan was calling and they could only win defensive halfs

Kirya [#4]

because hes one of the best igls in NA

Bots are gonna hate but I'm not seeing it. Modern-day IGLs have to pop off if they want to win anything. Like congrats, he's above vanity, an igl whose best play is "send oxy in"

ascention [#6]

Bots are gonna hate but I'm not seeing it. Modern-day IGLs have to pop off if they want to win anything. Like congrats, he's above vanity, an igl whose best play is "send oxy in"

did u watch his games
most of the time he outcalls the enemy team and it has a huge impact on the games
if he had better players that could actually shoot back instead of crashies and victor, he would qualify to champs with ease
hes underwhelming in terms of fragging but his calling pretty much makes up for it

Kirya [#7]

did u watch his games
most of the time he outcalls the enemy team and it has a huge impact on the games
if he had better players that could actually shoot back instead of crashies and victor, he would qualify to champs with ease
hes underwhelming in terms of fragging but his calling pretty much makes up for it

That's what I mean tho - both times he went against a team with a superior IGL (meaning someone who can igl AND frag) with G2 and SEN, and they lost. I don't have the evidence to put him near the top atm. C9 and Kru are both teams that rely on hero plays that even some ranked squads could out-IGL.

ascention [#8]

That's what I mean tho - both times he went against a team with a superior IGL (meaning someone who can igl AND frag) with G2 and SEN, and they lost. I don't have the evidence to put him near the top atm. C9 and Kru are both teams that rely on hero plays that even some ranked squads could out-IGL.

it was a team diff, not igl diff
NRG calling vs sen was really good and fns had a lot of nice reads
but yeah hes probably not a top 1 igl atm, but still at the top

If They Can Import Yay From The APAC League He Seems Good

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That's what I mean tho - both times he went against a team with a superior IGL (meaning someone who can igl AND frag) with G2 and SEN, and they lost. I don't have the evidence to put him near the top atm. C9 and Kru are both teams that rely on hero plays that even some ranked squads could out-IGL.

i mean the game is not really about 1 player vs another player, it's a 5v5 game. the reason why they lost vs sen and g2 is because they played those weird comps that doesn't play to their strength, not really because fns is being outfragged by the other igl

Nepotism org. Was doomed from the get-go

CorpL [#11]

i mean the game is not really about 1 player vs another player, it's a 5v5 game. the reason why they lost vs sen and g2 is because they played those weird comps that doesn't play to their strength, not really because fns is being outfragged by the other igl

Idk why do you think that comps were the problem
They clearly tried using these comps in scrims and did good with these and thats why they played it in official game
Probably just didnt utilise the comps properly or the players on the team didnt play well
Also making new comps and experementing is very important in general. NRG is not better than sen so they tried to win by trying out new comps

CorpL [#11]

i mean the game is not really about 1 player vs another player, it's a 5v5 game. the reason why they lost vs sen and g2 is because they played those weird comps that doesn't play to their strength, not really because fns is being outfragged by the other igl

I hear you, I think FNS is good but I just don't have enough to go by because he's lost to every fragging IGL. If they had won this game and entered playoffs we'd have a lot more to look at.

Kirya [#13]

Idk why do you think that comps were the problem
They clearly tried using these comps in scrims and did good with these and thats why they played it in official game
Probably just didnt utilise the comps properly or the players on the team didnt play well
Also making new comps and experementing is very important in general. NRG is not better than sen so they tried to win by trying out new comps

look at the comp and tell me what is nrg's main strength that WE all know is, vs the comps that they played (especially vs g2). If there's one thing we know about nrg's style and fns' style, is the slow, methodical mid-rounding masterclass. look at the comps they played vs g2, what does those comps tell you? fast-paced hit, with a lack of mid-round info gathering potential, which AREN'T their thing. Look at their ascent, as soon as they play a normal comp, they DOMINATE.

also this roster, while we're seeing the same name on the sheet, let's be honest, hasn't had the time to adapt to each other yet. also at this critical point of the season, with champions qualification on the line, experimenting and new comp doesn't sound wise.

i’m tired of ppl acting like fns needs insane mechanics he’s the lurker he gets free kills no matter what + he’s decent at anchoring

fns was not the issue for them this split

CorpL [#15]

look at the comp and tell me what is nrg's main strength that WE all know is, vs the comps that they played (especially vs g2). If there's one thing we know about nrg's style and fns' style, is the slow, methodical mid-rounding masterclass. look at the comps they played vs g2, what does those comps tell you? fast-paced hit, with a lack of mid-round info gathering potential, which AREN'T their thing. Look at their ascent, as soon as they play a normal comp, they DOMINATE.

also this roster, while we're seeing the same name on the sheet, let's be honest, hasn't had the time to adapt to each other yet. also at this critical point of the season, with champions qualification on the line, experimenting and new comp doesn't sound wise.

they r trying to adapt because the current duelist meta is way more aggressive
they simply had to experiment and tried to catch a team like sen and g2 off guard(both teams are far better player wise, so I doubt that using normal comps would work)
also they didnt even play that bad tbh and looked somewhat good this season

the format is braindead anyways

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I hear you, I think FNS is good but I just don't have enough to go by because he's lost to every fragging IGL. If they had won this game and entered playoffs we'd have a lot more to look at.

i get what you mean, but more in-depth statistics wise, 1v1 vs the igls:
-1 vs johnqt
0 vs valyn
-10 vs Melser
-5 vs vanity

he's actually struggled more individually vs igls on the worse teams.

i know these stats obviously doesn't count towards anything but it is interesting to see

Kirya [#17]

they r trying to adapt because the current duelist meta is way more aggressive
they simply had to experiment and tried to catch a team like sen and g2 off guard(both teams are far better player wise, so I doubt that using normal comps would work)
also they didnt even play that bad tbh and looked somewhat good this season

the format is braindead anyways

i get the meta is favoured towards aggressive duelists but that doesn't mean they HAVE to play a completely different style of valorant compare to what they know. like the g2 game, i actually think it would have been A LOT closer if they played a normal-ish comp, instead of the yoru deadlock fade clove comp that is just lacking SO MUCH info, instead of the 2021 bind comp meta, that again, lacking SO MUCH info

CorpL [#19]

i get the meta is favoured towards aggressive duelists but that doesn't mean they HAVE to play a completely different style of valorant compare to what they know. like the g2 game, i actually think it would have been A LOT closer if they played a normal-ish comp, instead of the yoru deadlock fade clove comp that is just lacking SO MUCH info, instead of the 2021 bind comp meta, that again, lacking SO MUCH info

they dont have to but its a really good gamble
beating sen and g2 doesnt sound that realistic with their normal comps

they couldve qualified btw if not for the 12-5 choke

Kirya [#20]

they dont have to but its a really good gamble
beating sen and g2 doesnt sound that realistic with their normal comps

they couldve qualified btw if not for the 12-5 choke

trust me it would look a lot closer than what they did. the amount of times they had to face check angles on defense because they don't have info is horrible to watch

CorpL [#21]

trust me it would look a lot closer than what they did. the amount of times they had to face check angles on defense because they don't have info is horrible to watch

we cant know that but sure
im just saying that theres a reason as to why they used comps like these and it was somewhat reasonable
biggest problem was lack of firepower overall, fns needs to have 4 good fraggers around him

valkin [#16]

i’m tired of ppl acting like fns needs insane mechanics he’s the lurker he gets free kills no matter what + he’s decent at anchoring

fns was not the issue for them this split

Insane mechanics? No. But I don't feel like its asking a lot to ask that he doesn't bottom frag nearly every game.

You are free to call me biased for excluding the C9 game but I am not impressed by someone that can kill a team that is playing ranked.

Kirya [#22]

we cant know that but sure
im just saying that theres a reason as to why they used comps like these and it was somewhat reasonable
biggest problem was lack of firepower overall, fns needs to have 4 good fraggers around him

i personally don't think it's reasonable to abandon their renowned playstyle, to try something new at this point of the season. sure i can understand and accept if it was split 1 and they wanted to try stuff out

CorpL [#24]

i personally don't think it's reasonable to abandon their renowned playstyle, to try something new at this point of the season. sure i can understand and accept if it was split 1 and they wanted to try stuff out

they wouldnt get far in playoffs or champs if they didnt change anything in their gameplay
+as I said they scrimmed with these comps and probably did well

and the format is just braindead sadly and split 1 results matter in second split for some reason

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Insane mechanics? No. But I don't feel like its asking a lot to ask that he doesn't bottom frag nearly every game.

You are free to call me biased for excluding the C9 game but I am not impressed by someone that can kill a team that is playing ranked.

i also don’t think only looking at stats is fair enough to decide whether a player is impressive or not, anyone with half a brain can see nrg improved tenfold when fns came in and single-handedly carried the attack half for any map, it doesn’t show up on the leaderboard but not all impact will, people keep suggesting to get 5 shooters but look at drx, they went from being top 3 pacific to being possible 6th by going all shooters route

getting more firepower won’t solve anything

Kirya [#25]

they wouldnt get far in playoffs or champs if they didnt change anything in their gameplay
+as I said they scrimmed with these comps and probably did well

and the format is just braindead sadly and split 1 results matter in second split for some reason

i completely get that and understand that, if this was march. sure you could say they wouldn't get far in playoff, but they needed to get there first? changing your style of play isn't a mid-season thing, it should be a whole season type of thing. too late to try something new for the first time in 2-3years

valkin [#26]

i also don’t think only looking at stats is fair enough to decide whether a player is impressive or not, anyone with half a brain can see nrg improved tenfold when fns came in and single-handedly carried the attack half for any map, it doesn’t show up on the leaderboard but not all impact will, people keep suggesting to get 5 shooters but look at drx, they went from being top 3 pacific to being possible 6th by going all shooters route

getting more firepower won’t solve anything

All you just showed is that FNS is a better IGL than Ethan. I'm not claiming FNS is a bad IGL I'm saying he doesn't have what it takes to measure up to the top IGLs in the league. I look forward to seeing more games from his team but my guess is that there will be some major changes.

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All you just showed is that FNS is a better IGL than Ethan. I'm not claiming FNS is a bad IGL I'm saying he doesn't have what it takes to measure up to the top IGLs in the league. I look forward to seeing more games from his team but my guess is that there will be some major changes.

fns has proved time and time again that he has what it takes, the issue is when he has shitters like trashies and midcor

boaster (0 mechanics) literally beat heretics (5 shooters) in the regional grand finals, we aren’t in the state in which a amazing mechanical igl is required yet

CorpL [#27]

i completely get that and understand that, if this was march. sure you could say they wouldn't get far in playoff, but they needed to get there first? changing your style of play isn't a mid-season thing, it should be a whole season type of thing. too late to try something new for the first time in 2-3years

cant do much about that
Nrg management fucked up