Jp region needs a rule change

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IonlywatchvcjXD

I swear to God they need to change their regulations clearly whatever is on the rules clearly doesn't work for jp teams. Especially import rules

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JP orgs are offering very good salaries and the working conditions are great too

that's why imports love coming to JP

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Which is why they needs a rule change, jp league are just wasting time , resources and money just on imports when it's pretty obvious they are just gonna end up in a team that isn't zeta or dfm. What happened to talent development ? 😭

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tbh I think they should do a maximum cap of 1 import, like the franchised leagues, no?

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Wait I have no idea about that ,fr?

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ButterflyEffect23

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idk how else could you fix this import problem

JP orgs are investing a lot of resources into the imports who won't play for JP teams in the future anyways

I'd like to see more investments into the local talents

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It's funny cuz a lot of these teams used to have academy teams which they have stopped since it's more convenient to just get imports rather than developing their talents. Only very few teams now have academy teams to develop talents.

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It's 2 import for everyone

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ButterflyEffect23

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there's one import slot in every Franchised League, I'm saying that JP should think about implementing that same feature

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Anguibok

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Do you have any sources ? I would be surprised (but not surprised in bad to be fair)

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sources of what exactly?

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Aielt

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vct 2024 roster construction rules
Regional Representation.
"Each VCT Participating Team will be assigned
to a League. In order to encourage the training and development of players
in each League Territory and to maintain the regional identity of the VCT
Participating Teams that compete in a global competition and to encourage
the type of regional identification that is important to fans and sponsors,
each Team must maintain on the Starting Roster (as defined below), at all
times during the Season, at least four (4) Team Members who are
Residents (as defined below) of a country in the applicable League
Territory. The Leagues of the VCT are: (i) Americas, (ii) Europe, Middle
East and Africa (“EMEA”), (iii) Asia-Pacific (“Pacific”), and (iv) China.
The countries inside each of these geographic regions are a “League
Territory”."

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Any rules on the quota?( mb can't read lmao)

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Aielt

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wdym rules on the quota?

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Mb I'm dyslexic for a second lmao

continue thread →

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Anguibok

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Thanks a lot !
Thats a good rule since the region are that big !

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Yoshii is alright cause hes playing for JP region for a long time, but Yotaa was playing in EMEA throughout his career until he comes to SCARZ, and he still counted as a JP player just because hes half Japanese, just nonsense here

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I'm fine with yoshii staying bro has been playing in jp league for a long time now ( I'm quite reluctant but the same probably goes for lumo) . But Yotaa and Tixx have no right to be here.

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OCE players literally have no future if we don't play as imports man give us a chance

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simo98

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Riot absolutely give oce chance
But ur org fuck up 💀

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Mb bro, we don't have a choice or else scarz and jp teams like them are gonna go mr worldwide.

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I hope we find a solution in the futur, it can be either take GE spot when India become a T1 region, or it can be by placing Oceania in China since lot of player go there

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Suggestion: one import or half japanese that plays in leagues other than Japan's. Meaning if you have one import in your team you can't get another import or half japanese who doesn't play for the league. This is to prevent another disgrace being pulled by teams like scarz

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there is no team like that except scarz. All other teams have minimum three full homegrown japenese players

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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I'm saying that scarz is setting a bad precedent here. How many more half japanese around the world that scarz is gonna pull into their team just because of their refusal to field a jp player

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Not true

https://www.vlr.gg/post/3577134/scarz-vs-northeption-challengers-league-2024-japan-split-2-w1

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Al-Mawsil

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oh yeah i forgot to mention he was put in a rough position, good find

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if rule about 1 import is implemented... then all 10 pacific challengers league will be impacted, then 9 EMEA sub region will impacted, then EMEA will complain how their continent divided into 9 sub region whining about 1 import. Rule should be consistent throughout all region. Its not happening.

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How exactly are they impacted ? Other than India and Japan barely any team in apac t2 fields one import let alone 2 . Also cmiiw in emea if you are an import and you play in the region for two splits you are considered local but that only works in emea doesn't apply to non emea region. Which means you can change the rule without affecting any other region

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Why is it important whether it's half or not? I cannot agree with that suggestion

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Because we have case like yotaa who never even touched jp server before this split and suddenly he's a jp player now. I say let him stay for 2 splits just like yoshii ,then I can admit he's a player from this region. Even by what I just said teams will definitely not get the memo and just do what I say and get another one once he become a local player 😅

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https://www.vlr.gg/post/3577134/scarz-vs-northeption-challengers-league-2024-japan-split-2-w1

There's literally another team in Japan Challengers who does the exact same thing as SCARZ except they just have their flags as Japanese & their imports are Korean. You just aren't aware they're half

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Who are you talking about? I have no clue

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#19 Fadezis SCARZ coach

"There is other team in the league with 1 half br, 1 half ph, 1 jp, 2 imports, no hate from people towards them tho. The only difference between us is language of comms and flags on vlr."

Pre sure the half br is Fisker, former CR player who is known half brazillian. No longer on NOEZ FOXX now,

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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I know that fisker is half br. But he's been on jp from the start right? I don't think he really counts as import.

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Warlordwibz

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not import, but during 2021 Fisker did have a brazil flag on liquipedia as first flag (JP first flag now), wasn't around VLR at the time.

Fadezis #23 "Only in EMEA LTR rule exist. APAC leagues only count you resident of league if you legal citizen of a country."
This also to reply to your EMEA two splits you are considered local thing above^.

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simo98

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Welp ur people literally just suck same as india

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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For one I'm not even from jp. I just loved this region a lot. Two, there are people like aace who came out of nowhere which shows that jp has what it takes to be a good region.

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simo98

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There's hundred people like him right now
U just like because weebs
If u looks another country/region there's plenty of them
It just depend how u looks them
That's how i looks as lover watch any valorant play

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Brother I like this region because I feel bad for cr being shat on by vlr from Berlin Era. Me being a weeb has no factor in why I like this region

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simo98

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BRO FEEL BAD BECAUSE THEY LOSE X10 AND TS NAUUURRRR

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simo98

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If u not believe looks split 1
Literally in stats full of Korea
Only 2 people Japanese player

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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Which is why a rule change is needed cant you see the issue here? They are developing 18yo imports and neglecting their own players

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simo98

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bro Japan region is the most weird in the first place
We know how japan

homeground of fighter game
It's started from pubg and growing apex and Fortnite, (this literally the anomaly come from) fps is anomaly in the first place in japan.
depopulation in japan, this peak make young people not making interested in any sector (looks DFM lol world 2023 literally pick 32 old player after cannot found any good player)

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simo98

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How u can win with another region if u cannot win fight with imports

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most JP orgs are just not interested in developing talent. The only org that does that is ZETA DIVISION. Unfortunate, but Riot can't control orgs

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Rocky54

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The can if they put import rule like tire 1 or else is going to be like cs

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im sure fennel, riddle, and nth at least develops talent

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To be honest, since there are many rich org in Japan, good players belong to various teams. This is the point.
If international players are banned, the quality of each team will only go down.
EDIT: I think the number of the team like Sp1NTH+Sp2NTH-2KR (yowamu,HaReeee,pepper,thiefy,tempura) will be increased

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IonlywatchvcjXD

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I do consider that the quality would go down and would be for a long time. But it's probably for the better, people like aace will have a chance to prove themselves. And that's the point of t2 right? I get that winning ascension is,however , i think winning without your own players barely feels like it 😔

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I don't think so.
International competitiveness is most important to play at the Pacific League.
You seem to dislike SZ roster, but it can be said that SZ becoming a role model as a fast-tempo overseas team is helping to improve VCJ's level.
If VCJ teams can't beat SZ, they won't be able to do well even at Tier 1. I think the same can be said about players.

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Maybe you're right, vcj do need the exposure that scarz provides, I'm just afraid this league will be full of teams like scarz where there's more import players than jp players 😭

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Echo_fox

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SZ roster is decided by Fadezis's EN-speaker list (because of Yoshii's language issue?), then I don't think you need to worry unless you have Japanese nationals and English speakers as the core of your team…

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I hope so. Cmiiw, I think I've heard yoshii spoke Japanese before in their communications during intermission. It's probably lumo that cannot speak Japanese.