all look like orgless teams except TSM M80 FULLSENSE
Mandatory is pretty big
Fokus and Mouz are not huge but definitely bigger than Apeks
And some of the turks, SUP maybe
SUP have huge fanbase in League not VAL
FF probably have biggest fanbase in VAL for Turkey
Can you give a little context on both? Ik they're big I don't think I fully understand how much or why tho
idk except those only Apeks and Xerxia come to mind
oh and MOUZ btw
relevant org with clout and mutiple esports team that people know about not something like YFP gaming or QOR
Mb I looked at riddle played in algs last split and equated them having clout
Does not currently have many fans but I feel like it would be easy af for Barsa to attract a big fanbase or at least many sympathizers
streets will never forget how 9z won this match
https://www.hltv.org/matches/2372343/9z-vs-vitality-iem-dallas-2024
I could see a few big orgs buy into china when ascension happens e.g. NIP might look to buyout the best looking Chinese team going into the event given they had a team for the last chinese ascension
TSM
M80
Moist
SK Gaming
MOUZ
FOKUS
SAW
Falcons
Twisted Minds
B8 Esports
Barca
Apeks
Eternal Fire
9z
BOOM
Dplus
NORTHEPTION
FENNEL
FULL SENSE
pretty big name
Kinda Crazy Falcons and Twisted Minds currently have a presence in 35 different games between them not even counting their secondary teams like Falcons Vega or TM orchids in GC and CAH
I think a lot of it is EWC. The 20 million dollar payout for the winning club overall. Like otherwise who on earth is paying for a pubg team these days
i think saudi investing on esports too
they are hosting alot of esports events there not just EWC
Yeah kinda, a lot of it stems from ownership. Face It and ESL are Saudi owned which means they own the back bone of CS and Overwatch (overwatch is unique for being the esport they're actually pretty good at if they luck the right meta). And also have there hand in other games like dota and starcraft
In terms of orgs with teams. Theres a few kicking around in EMEA
-Ascend is still playing in east
-A couple turkish orgs like FF and SMB
-Dach has orgs like mouz and SK
-Apex are there, no one cares because they got no clout but they're there
-MENA has TM and Falcons who come with huge amounts of Saudi clout (and because of esports world cup they're in pretty much every game now)
Damwon gaming -> damwon kia -> d+ kia they just rebranded over the years cause of sponsors
decently popular after winning worlds + showmaker in league of legends
they're on a tear rn in Korea ascension