I’ve seen a lot of “no good EU team went to Iceland” maybe cause they all lost to either FNC or Liquid back then? Time changes and at that time they were the 2 best to go out represent, if not how come the better teams didn’t make it?
Same goes for NA, “ur gonna get 3-0ed again” or “Liquid lost to subs” this is a new era/meta and a new time anything can happen so saying any of what I mention above is a flaw statement.
PrTsty [#2]I live how everyone is comparing emea with fnatic but noone is comparing liquid with emea rn. People think emea will literally destroy anything because they think that toö 6 eu is better than fnatic back then (in comparising to time)
FORREALL, like I don’t understand it teams change every second m, play styles, game sense, etc… comparing to a time to another time is 👎
PrTsty [#2]I live how everyone is comparing emea with fnatic but noone is comparing liquid with emea rn. People think emea will literally destroy anything because they think that toö 6 eu is better than fnatic back then (in comparising to time)
I don't even get the point in bringing cs stats to val
I mean look at how acend is eliminated before iceland
acend eliminated by an underdog eu team “vitality” which is capable of achieving a lot and upset absolutely anyone.
acend didn’t expect that and 2-0ed by them
and both map scores was (14-12)
acend is eliminated because of two close maps against an underdog eu team, ofc it’s still their fault but the format was just unlucky
alara_acendfan [#4]“at that time they were the 2 best to go out represent, if not how come the better teams didn’t make it?”
because of the format of masters 2
How comes every "better team" did roster changes then?
alara_acendfan [#6]sentinels wouldn’t make it to iceland if they played on eu format at masters 2
and honestly I didn’t even realize how fnatic came top before masters 2, it was too fast and happened instantly. Liquid was a real good team back then but like always they choked after a short break
Thats not how reakity works, when there i no lower bracket both teams play completly different, andbox wouldve played much safer and sen wouldnt've thrown rounds. When the bracket chamges in theory and the games were to be replayed u basically reroll the odds of sentinels winning. If the odds where 80 last time then tgis time it wouldve been 80 aswell, meaning the chances of sentinels losing in round 1 wouldve been 1/5. Thats how mathematic works dude. Sure the bracket kn eu was shit but u cant take it the other way around and say lne team wouldnt have qualified
PrTsty [#10]Thats not how reakity works, when there i no lower bracket both teams play completly different, andbox wouldve played much safer and sen wouldnt've thrown rounds. When the bracket chamges in theory and the games were to be replayed u basically reroll the odds of sentinels winning. If the odds where 80 last time then tgis time it wouldve been 80 aswell, meaning the chances of sentinels losing in round 1 wouldve been 1/5. Thats how mathematic works dude. Sure the bracket kn eu was shit but u cant take it the other way around and say lne team wouldnt have qualified
stfu
alara_acendfan [#7]I mean look at how acend is eliminated before iceland
acend eliminated by an underdog eu team “vitality” which is capable of achieving a lot and upset absolutely anyone.
acend didn’t expect that and 2-0ed by them
and both map scores was (14-12)acend is eliminated because of two close maps against an underdog eu team, ofc it’s still their fault but the format was just unlucky
Dudeee stop with the excuses man
before rekyjavik u guys were like EU DOMINANCE FNATIC TL GODS!
AND then after NA won u guys are like
BAD FORMAT!!!
BEST EU TEAMS DIDNT MAKE IT THERE!!!
ShadowisBAD [#12]I like how Alara_acendfan
goes full on rider mode on EU and then when someone tells an actual reason for smth theyre like stfu ,
its like another Chupapiwardell but i reckon chupapi was much better
shut up
ShadowisBAD [#12]I like how Alara_acendfan
goes full on rider mode on EU and then when someone tells an actual reason for smth theyre like stfu ,
its like another Chupapiwardell but i reckon chupapi was much better
im a fan that’s what i do?
ShadowisBAD [#14]Dudeee stop with the excuses man
before rekyjavik u guys were like EU DOMINANCE FNATIC TL GODS!
AND then after NA won u guys are like
BAD FORMAT!!!
BEST EU TEAMS DIDNT MAKE IT THERE!!!
it’s not an excuse he asked a question and I replied
how cone better teams didn’t make it?
because of format
easy.
not my problem if you don’t get it
PrTsty [#13]go educate yourself, ask your math/physics teacher
im dealing with 3 iq people asking me to educate myself
god...
alara_acendfan [#15]shut up
I WONT , WHO tf are u to tell me to shutup , ur a legit no body to me or to most ppl in this site , just another person on the internet. ur like those twitter kids cancelling for no reason
alara_acendfan [#16]im a fan that’s what i do?
AS A FAN UR SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT A LOSS OR ACCEPT THAT u lost an argument and not just suck off ur region
ShadowisBAD [#19]I WONT , WHO tf are u to tell me to shutup , ur a legit no body to me or to most ppl in this site , just another person on the internet. ur like those twitter kids cancelling for no reason
okay keep talking but im not listening
shut up for your own good ;)
alara_acendfan [#21]okay keep talking but im not listening
shut up for your own good ;)
i didnt ask u for "my own good "
ShadowisBAD [#20]AS A FAN UR SUPPOSED TO ACCEPT A LOSS OR ACCEPT THAT u lost an argument and not just suck off ur region
now stop sucking off another region kekw
alara_acendfan [#18]im dealing with 3 iq people asking me to educate myself
god...
U are saying stfu to me speaking facts??
anothervlruser [#23]now stop sucking off another region kekw
kekw , i dont suck off a region , u could say na but im just a fan lol
Yes in a way they were best, but it was not up to them it was up to other teams that were in top4, some teams had to change roaster just before Iceland after their key player left, some choked hard and some had players that didn't perform perform anymore. Now after roaster changes teams had time to prepare, so Berlin should be more competitive than Iceland.
ShadowisBAD [#14]Dudeee stop with the excuses man
before rekyjavik u guys were like EU DOMINANCE FNATIC TL GODS!
AND then after NA won u guys are like
BAD FORMAT!!!
BEST EU TEAMS DIDNT MAKE IT THERE!!!
Fnatic and TL fans still say they are gods and best in EU, your point doesn't make sense.
alara_acendfan [#11]stfu
Why would you say stfu when people are actually making good points, I get it that acend didnt make it to iceland and your still malding, but you dont need to suck acend's dick bro. Accept it and move on, ur worse than Netereo
alara_acendfan [#7]I mean look at how acend is eliminated before iceland
acend eliminated by an underdog eu team “vitality” which is capable of achieving a lot and upset absolutely anyone.
acend didn’t expect that and 2-0ed by them
and both map scores was (14-12)acend is eliminated because of two close maps against an underdog eu team, ofc it’s still their fault but the format was just unlucky
People play differently when the stakes are different.
alara_acendfan [#21]okay keep talking but im not listening
shut up for your own good ;)
"okay keep talking but im not listening"
proceeds to talk and reply
PrTsty [#8]How comes every "better team" did roster changes then?
what do you mean by all of them doing roster changes?
In iceland, there were 2 S Tier level teams: Sentinels and Fnatic. Sentinels was better. Liquid was on a hot streak regionally and Version1 was playing in the smartest way possible to go that far considering their calibre.
Now, Fnatic has dropped off S Tier due to them outplaying themselves. Sentinels remains. 'EU best teams' have pulled themselves together and so does the other NA best (outside of SEN I mean).
I don't see anything to argue about here. This is just great for us as viewers who want good games.
plebwong [#33]In iceland, there were 2 S Tier level teams: Sentinels and Fnatic. Sentinels was better. Liquid was on a hot streak regionally and Version1 was playing in the smartest way possible to go that far considering their calibre.
Now, Fnatic has dropped off S Tier due to them outplaying themselves. Sentinels remains. 'EU best teams' have pulled themselves together and so does the other NA best (outside of SEN I mean).
I don't see anything to argue about here. This is just great for us as viewers who want good games.
W + Ratio + 1
AllAimNoBrain [#28]Why would you say stfu when people are actually making good points, I get it that acend didnt make it to iceland and your still malding, but you dont need to suck acend's dick bro. Accept it and move on, ur worse than Netereo
Well netero is just trolling, he is being serious
plebwong [#33]In iceland, there were 2 S Tier level teams: Sentinels and Fnatic. Sentinels was better. Liquid was on a hot streak regionally and Version1 was playing in the smartest way possible to go that far considering their calibre.
Now, Fnatic has dropped off S Tier due to them outplaying themselves. Sentinels remains. 'EU best teams' have pulled themselves together and so does the other NA best (outside of SEN I mean).
I don't see anything to argue about here. This is just great for us as viewers who want good games.
V1 was s tier aswell tbh, they were so close to beat nuturn and they were the better team. Still meta abusers tho
PrTsty [#24]U are saying stfu to me speaking facts??
thats all this kid is about cant stand when we speak facts
plebwong [#33]In iceland, there were 2 S Tier level teams: Sentinels and Fnatic. Sentinels was better. Liquid was on a hot streak regionally and Version1 was playing in the smartest way possible to go that far considering their calibre.
Now, Fnatic has dropped off S Tier due to them outplaying themselves. Sentinels remains. 'EU best teams' have pulled themselves together and so does the other NA best (outside of SEN I mean).
I don't see anything to argue about here. This is just great for us as viewers who want good games.
The weirdest thing was when I was watching Fnatic after iceland, how they changed up almost everything. Imo they had a really good bind and then they changed it to have 3 controllers which I didn't see much value of.
The bizarre thing was watching them coping SEN comp on Haven, even the setups and things like that.
I feel like if they would have played like they did before, they might've achieved a different result than this. I understand Boaster's fear of getting anti stratted tho...
I'm not a fan of either of these teams but its hard to not be a fan of Boaster after Iceland. TL has the potential but they still need to work on certain aspects. I wished they would have gone longer in this tournament.
PrTsty [#32]Acend, g2, heretics
Because heretics imploded and Carlos decided to start waving a wad of cash about
fontea [#39]Because heretics imploded and Carlos decided to start waving a wad of cash about
Ye but i was talking about people saying those teams shouldve wualified over fnatic and liquid. Only team that was really up.there was gambit
PrTsty [#35]Well netero is just trolling, he is being serious
is it a he? the name is ALARA, and that sounds like a female, not assuming anyones gender here but....
PrTsty [#36]V1 was s tier aswell tbh, they were so close to beat nuturn and they were the better team. Still meta abusers tho
not really they just fluked with astra and viper on their side
hellaeleganceyeah [#42]not really they just fluked with astra and viper on their side
it wasnta fluke, they absolutely dominated the post plants
yana-banana [#38]The weirdest thing was when I was watching Fnatic after iceland, how they changed up almost everything. Imo they had a really good bind and then they changed it to have 3 controllers which I didn't see much value of.
The bizarre thing was watching them coping SEN comp on Haven, even the setups and things like that.I feel like if they would have played like they did before, they might've achieved a different result than this. I understand Boaster's fear of getting anti stratted tho...
I'm not a fan of either of these teams but its hard to not be a fan of Boaster after Iceland. TL has the potential but they still need to work on certain aspects. I wished they would have gone longer in this tournament.
I feel the same way with VKS because after Iceland they changed the agents of every team member and it didn't pay off even returning to play the same as pre-iceland, but it was too late. If VKS and Fnatic managed to have the same essence but improving in some smaller points, I feel like they would qualify
unknown_trash [#45]that was before masters 2 no?
no it was not go do some research look at challengers 2
bro, the thing is EU improves itself constantly. There is always a competition between teams. In that Emea playoff new teams like SMB,VGIA,NAVI showed up. Gambit won the Emea even if they were not even in final at previous tournament. Unlike NA. Na is always the same, sen is champ again and there are always same 3-4 teams that really contest.
PrTsty [#2]I live how everyone is comparing emea with fnatic but noone is comparing liquid with emea rn. People think emea will literally destroy anything because they think that toö 6 eu is better than fnatic back then (in comparising to time)
where is anyone saying this? aside from people rooting for team flair. I think it's generally accepted that right now NA LOOKS better. but LAN will confirm all.
PrTsty [#10]Thats not how reakity works, when there i no lower bracket both teams play completly different, andbox wouldve played much safer and sen wouldnt've thrown rounds. When the bracket chamges in theory and the games were to be replayed u basically reroll the odds of sentinels winning. If the odds where 80 last time then tgis time it wouldve been 80 aswell, meaning the chances of sentinels losing in round 1 wouldve been 1/5. Thats how mathematic works dude. Sure the bracket kn eu was shit but u cant take it the other way around and say lne team wouldnt have qualified
you are hypothesising against a guy who served you with an actual fact. What the hell is wrong with you lmao.
If NA had same format as EMEA for stage 2, SEN actually would not have qualified because they got 2-0d by Andbox in challengers 2.
don't talk about how "reality works" when you are yet to grasp it yourself haha. You're just hypothesising how teams "might" have played if the format was different.
I don't subscribe to the whole "best teams didn't rep EU" narrative. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. BUT your argument is so flawed dude.
ShadowisBAD [#37]thats all this kid is about cant stand when we speak facts
"facts"
proceeds to start throwing arbitrarily picked probablities at scenarios that "might" have happened.
I love this forum lol
alara_acendfan [#17]it’s not an excuse he asked a question and I replied
how cone better teams didn’t make it?
because of formateasy.
not my problem if you don’t get it
do not argue with idiots, because people from a distance cannot tell the difference.
yungbasel [#48]where is anyone saying this? aside from people rooting for team flair. I think it's generally accepted that right now NA LOOKS better. but LAN will confirm all.
Evrryone says emea will destroy NA because they are much better then fnatic and fnatic had 5 souble digit games. I dont know what vlr.gg u are surfing on but i see it everywhere
yungbasel [#49]you are hypothesising against a guy who served you with an actual fact. What the hell is wrong with you lmao.
If NA had same format as EMEA for stage 2, SEN actually would not have qualified because they got 2-0d by Andbox in challengers 2.
don't talk about how "reality works" when you are yet to grasp it yourself haha. You're just hypothesising how teams "might" have played if the format was different.
I don't subscribe to the whole "best teams didn't rep EU" narrative. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. BUT your argument is so flawed dude.
How is it flawed dude. Its literally how it works. If the bracket cha ges everything changes. Its a completly different timeline and things could end up completly different. I agree the chances of sentinels falling ouz wouldve been way higher but that doesnt mean that they wouldve fallen out
yungbasel [#50]"facts"
proceeds to start throwing arbitrarily picked probablities at scenarios that "might" have happened.
I love this forum lol
bruh u dont unde- , u know what nvm no point even argueing
PrTsty [#24]U are saying stfu to me speaking facts??
If you see someone with "acendfan" in their name, just ignore, they are always 1Heads
ezclap [#47]bro, the thing is EU improves itself constantly. There is always a competition between teams. In that Emea playoff new teams like SMB,VGIA,NAVI showed up. Gambit won the Emea even if they were not even in final at previous tournament. Unlike NA. Na is always the same, sen is champ again and there are always same 3-4 teams that really contest.
I’m pretty sure it’s not only EU that improving constantly it’s each and every region.
AllAimNoBrain [#28]Why would you say stfu when people are actually making good points, I get it that acend didnt make it to iceland and your still malding, but you dont need to suck acend's dick bro. Accept it and move on, ur worse than Netereo
I simply asked him to not talk to me or reply my comments several times, that's why im saying "shut up" and "stfu" to him since then.
alara_acendfan [#58]I simply asked him to not talk to me or reply my comments several times, that's why im saying "shut up" and "stfu" to him since then.
Why bump this thread its been dead for a week
DogeForPres [#59]Why bump this thread its been dead for a week
Bro heyy, why do you not just ignore me as you have stated above?
alara_acendfan [#60]Bro heyy, why do you not just ignore me as you have stated above?
cuz ur bumping week old threads that people have long moved on from
Can't tell everyone you disagree with to ignore you, especially when you do things to piss them off.
DogeForPres [#61]cuz ur bumping week old threads that people have long moved on from
Can't tell everyone you disagree with to ignore you, especially when you do things to piss them off.
I didn't reply to you? I simply ignored your insult.
I would advise you to do the same but wait... I didn't insult you. Why so offended?
alara_acendfan [#62]I didn't reply to you? I simply ignored your insult.
I would advise you to do the same but wait... I didn't insult you. Why so offended?
You are bumping old threads that people don't want revisited.
I don't know why you can't understand that.
Look at the last reply before your comment.
DogeForPres [#63]You are bumping old threads that people don't want revisited.
I don't know why you can't understand that.
Look at the last reply before your comment.
That's not your business, god... are you okay?
alara_acendfan [#64]That's not your business, god... are you okay?
it is because instead of an actual good thread being publicized, we have more of your dumb fights you pick with people by purposely being dumb and pretending not to understand things.
Have an average day and stop replying to me cuz that's just further boosting the thread.
DogeForPres [#65]it is because instead of an actual good thread being publicized, we have more of your dumb fights you pick with people by purposely being dumb and pretending not to understand things.
Have an average day and stop replying to me cuz that's just further boosting the thread.
not a rule tho
DogeForPres [#65]it is because instead of an actual good thread being publicized, we have more of your dumb fights you pick with people by purposely being dumb and pretending not to understand things.
Have an average day and stop replying to me cuz that's just further boosting the thread.
but there should be rule for people like you insulting everyone for no real reason
turkey [#57]flaming hot take: fnatic would be at berlin performing better than all EMEA teams if they clutched out that third map against liquid
Yeah sure they lost haven to random team today, that acend 13-0d them
PrTsty [#2]I live how everyone is comparing emea with fnatic but noone is comparing liquid with emea rn. People think emea will literally destroy anything because they think that toö 6 eu is better than fnatic back then (in comparising to time)
Most of the Gambit fans piss me off because they seem so entitled and think they are always right. I dont think Gambit is a bad team its just that their fans think they are untouchable. Some of the Gambit fans are fine with good takes but the other fans think that because some Gambit fans are smart that means that they are too.
PrTsty [#52]Evrryone says emea will destroy NA because they are much better then fnatic and fnatic had 5 souble digit games. I dont know what vlr.gg u are surfing on but i see it everywhere
show me the receipts.
alara_acendfan [#6]sentinels wouldn’t make it to iceland if they played on eu format at masters 2
and honestly I didn’t even realize how fnatic came top before masters 2, it was too fast and happened instantly. Liquid was a real good team back then but like always they choked after a short break
alara's stars should be removed pls wtf is this garbage
hiyo [#71]alara's stars should be removed pls wtf is this garbage
Who are you? I don’t even know you and you have 4 stars calling garbage everything against you? Nice life bro keep it up.
alara_acendfan [#67]but there should be rule for people like you insulting everyone for no real reason
like saying " STFU"
turkey [#57]flaming hot take: fnatic would be at berlin performing better than all EMEA teams if they clutched out that third map against liquid
Nahhh. Acend, SMB and GMB are better right now. And it's logical. Acend was already better, they just go fluked by 1elim bracket. GMB hadn't unlocked that scrim potential everybody knew they had until this EMEA. Lastly, SMB wasn't around.
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