Raze Nerf is Ridiculous

What are riot doing to my raze???? I understand maybe raze is a little powerful in the current meta, but the worst possible change they could do is to nerf the one creative, stylistic, skill expression ability in her kit. I was silent for the boombot nerf, i was silent for the nade nerf, but I won't be silent for nerfing the last fun mechanic left in this game.

what are the changes if it is even possible?

if this makes us see more ISO, Reyna and Neon on pro games I'm in

bronzil_enjoyer [#2]

what are the changes if it is even possible?

less nade damage? satchel movement nerf? only one satchel? ult orb increase? idk

Bro they didn't say what are the change probably satchels won't movr other people and maybe will cost more or something

if she gets one satchel im ending it all

PLS NOT SATCHELS

this is shit as a raze main i think its a BIG L if teams are using it more is because of the map pool it's not because of it being too overpowered next map pool they'll remove split and add heaven which obv means one raze map gone

sm1th0o [#3]

if this makes us see more ISO, Reyna and Neon on pro games I'm in

just buff those agents lmfao

its probably just a nerf to how far she can actually go and fly across the whole map, reduced vertical movement if I had to guess because it keeps a lot of her character while taking away that busted part of her kit

You People are overreacting again. Raze is totally OP rn and a total meta pick. Buffing the other agents is not always a good idea, especially on the duelist class which already is wayyyy to popular. I am genuinly very interested for the reyna rework and the other changes and hope that we will see other duelists than raze and jett soon.
If you want OP abilities play Overwatch

chsnvictr [#9]

just buff those agents lmfao

but they are being buffed tho

Miata [#11]

You People are overreacting again. Raze is totally OP rn and a total meta pick. Buffing the other agents is not always a good idea, especially on the duelist class which already is wayyyy to popular. I am genuinly very interested for the reyna rework and the other changes and hope that we will see other duelists than raze and jett soon.
If you want OP abilities play Overwatch

raze can be op on the right hands but even demon1 flopped some double satchels

sm1th0o [#12]

but they are being buffed tho

yea but raze movement is fine

Miata [#11]

You People are overreacting again. Raze is totally OP rn and a total meta pick. Buffing the other agents is not always a good idea, especially on the duelist class which already is wayyyy to popular. I am genuinly very interested for the reyna rework and the other changes and hope that we will see other duelists than raze and jett soon.
If you want OP abilities play Overwatch

thats not the point tho? raze needs to be nerfed but dont nerf her movement

also the mainr eason she is dominating the meta is because all the other duelists are ass, so if they get buffed and the satchels have nerfs (not to the movement) it would be fine

sm1th0o [#3]

if this makes us see more ISO, Reyna and Neon on pro games I'm in

No, that will just make see more game without duelists :/

Miata [#11]

You People are overreacting again. Raze is totally OP rn and a total meta pick. Buffing the other agents is not always a good idea, especially on the duelist class which already is wayyyy to popular. I am genuinly very interested for the reyna rework and the other changes and hope that we will see other duelists than raze and jett soon.
If you want OP abilities play Overwatch

She is OP comparing to other duelist, she is okay compared to initiator and smoker.

The problem is not Raze being OP, the problem is every other duelist beside Jett being dogshit.

Anguibok [#16]

No, that will just make see more game without duelists :/

depends on the duelists changes

Anguibok [#16]

No, that will just make see more game without duelists :/

finally

honestly i think overall riot is trying to nerf impact of util more. I think it looks bad but long term state of the game its good for a tact fps. Some of the utils are so absurdly broken now that you have ppl that are really good at using their agents.

chsnvictr [#9]

just buff those agents lmfao

if you buff the worse agents to be as good as the best ones, then over time you end up with overwatch

Tryeue2 [#19]

finally

Only in proplay, don't worry you will still have 3 duelist per game in your soloQ... They will be even more useless !

kfox [#21]

if you buff the worse agents to be as good as the best ones, then over time you end up with overwatch

bro

iso and reyna will never be as good as raze just inherently

nerfing raze is low iq, they dont need to BUFF them with numbers just rework their utility so its more impactful to pro play

raze is literally balanced lol

Anguibok [#22]

Only in proplay, don't worry you will still have 3 duelist per game in your soloQ... They will be even more useless !

you forget the clove instalock

chsnvictr [#23]

bro

iso and reyna will never be as good as raze just inherently

nerfing raze is low iq, they dont need to BUFF them with numbers just rework their utility so its more impactful to pro play

raze is literally balanced lol

Ya a rework is better than a buff. Just u said buff earlier which I dont think they should do

kfox [#21]

if you buff the worse agents to be as good as the best ones, then over time you end up with overwatch

Not true, a meta where other agent are as good as Jett + Raze isn't overwatch... It's current Val since S1 and it's totally fine. More time pass and more agent are underwhelming to play, if at least it will make more fun to play against, but it's not. I rather play against a Raze or a Jett than an Iso or a Yoru that even if they are weak, are really frustrating to play agaist

Anguibok [#26]

Not true, a meta where other agent are as good as Jett + Raze isn't overwatch... It's current Val since S1 and it's totally fine. More time pass and more agent are underwhelming to play, if at least it will make more fun to play against, but it's not. I rather play against a Raze or a Jett than an Iso or a Yoru that even if they are weak, are really frustrating to play agaist

I am not just talking about one meta. I mean more like grand skeme of things. If everything just stronger and stronger over time, say like 5 years, then the game becomes less and less of a tac shooter when you having to deal with overwhelming abilites on each agent.

kfox [#27]

I am not just talking about one meta. I mean more like grand skeme of things. If everything just stronger and stronger over time, say like 5 years, then the game becomes less and less of a tac shooter when you having to deal with overwhelming abilites on each agent.

We not asking to be stronger and stronger overtime, we ask to not make it weaker and weaker over time, we ask it to stay in the actual balance, neither stronger neither weaker. If one day agent become too strong and it become less shooter, they can nerf them.

Maybe in pro play less raze, but ranked she still gonna be played cause she will still be fun for people.

Raze is not OP, all other duelists are just shit besides Jett

They killed jett for raze now they wanna kill raze for Neon Fuck rito

sm1th0o [#3]

if this makes us see more ISO, Reyna and Neon on pro games I'm in

iso is never getting played he is USELESS.

chsnvictr [#9]

just buff those agents lmfao

bro that wont work and you literally admitted it in post #23

razes satchelling is a unique ability which can only be replicated somewhat by yoru and jett and replicated well by neon

and on top of that raze has a wayyy better kit than neon

to allow other agents to be played without making the game overwatch they almost have to nerf raze