genuine conversation about t2 promotion

so let's say mxs and mada win challengers this year, come up to the league and win every regional and international event for 2 whole years. they either have to: a. go back down to t2 with a roster that just dominated t1 for 2 seasons straight or b. their roster is picked apart to play on other teams

that's a really tough system if it's not merit-based. like a 2 or even 3-year relegation system for bad teams would be better than that. i understand it's more about the orgs staying in franchised league rather than the team that's signed to it, but it just feels bad you know? especially when it's the least corpo orgs that will get fucked

I feel like even before that players on the team would get bought out to another org or somehow split up. But if the scenario you talk about happens, another rich org would prob buy out the whole team. But yeah, it rly is a tough system.

When I'm in a being retarded competition and my opponent is Riot Games:

thing is we dont actually know, cause riot owns all the teams slots instead of the team. since no team has had to go down yet, riot could still decide to replace a team like EG with G2 but we havent gotten to that bridge yet

seofps [#2]

I feel like even before that players on the team would get bought out to another org or somehow split up. But if the scenario you talk about happens, another rich org would prob buy out the whole team. But yeah, it rly is a tough system.

i mean i guess in mxs's case they would be upset but they said they enjoyed picking up unknown players so i imagine they would keep going. but other teams without their unique situation might not continue which would really suck. could leave a lot of beneficial people out of the scene

nooomy [#4]

thing is we dont actually know, cause riot owns all the teams slots instead of the team. since no team has had to go down yet, riot could still decide to replace a team like EG with G2 but we havent gotten to that bridge yet

imagine the memes that would take place when a team gets relegated lmfaoooo

StoneRosesBestUKBand [#3]

When I'm in a being retarded competition and my opponent is Riot Games:

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vreesey [#6]

imagine the memes that would take place when a team gets relegated lmfaoooo

honestly it might happen too lmao, EG was trying to give their spot to Flyquest over the offseason so they might fuck around and find out

the whole point of t2 is to get talent and players that are good enough for t1 and this approach from riot is very unlikely to change but the system that they place to achieve this goal is horrible.

riot is very unlikely to change their philosophy of esports and so they don't care if there are orgs who pay salaries in t2 or not.

right now I see a future in which there will be no orgs in t2 apart from maybe 10 or less. Because of this it will be very hard to become a pro player as if you want to try and become a full time pro or even semi pro you will need to be like in the top 3 teams in t2 for each region, this will then cause the skill of valorant players at the top level to diminish and we won't see many new faces in the franchised league as the t1 pros get better as they can contribute more time into getting better and the tier 2 pros can't dedicate much time as they aren't even getting paid enough to make this a career and so they won't be able to play much valorant and won't be able to improve as a player (this is sorta what the whole oce region is).

In the topic of t2 promotion I think riot will save more money in the long run with this current system (if u don't include other externalities) but if you do include long term effects of this system then the same players will likely be recycled each year which will cause the scene to get a bit dry and boring in general.

Riots system right now is like the current t2 landscape is what t3 was 2 years ago and the current tier 1 system is similar to what t2 was 2 years ago.

In tier 1, orgs will pick up players who are not being paid anything and are questionable just like what tier 2 is right now with the new orgs. Tier 2 will become the same as what premier is right now with random no names making challengers in hopes of being picked up by a tier 2 team.

sorry about this ramble that I've written in the last 4 minutes so ignore any typos or grammar mistakes

Zerphyr1 [#9]

the whole point of t2 is to get talent and players that are good enough for t1 and this approach from riot is very unlikely to change but the system that they place to achieve this goal is horrible.

riot is very unlikely to change their philosophy of esports and so they don't care if there are orgs who pay salaries in t2 or not.

right now I see a future in which there will be no orgs in t2 apart from maybe 10 or less. Because of this it will be very hard to become a pro player as if you want to try and become a full time pro or even semi pro you will need to be like in the top 3 teams in t2 for each region, this will then cause the skill of valorant players at the top level to diminish and we won't see many new faces in the franchised league as the t1 pros get better as they can contribute more time into getting better and the tier 2 pros can't dedicate much time as they aren't even getting paid enough to make this a career and so they won't be able to play much valorant and won't be able to improve as a player (this is sorta what the whole oce region is).

In the topic of t2 promotion I think riot will save more money in the long run with this current system (if u don't include other externalities) but if you do include long term effects of this system then the same players will likely be recycled each year which will cause the scene to get a bit dry and boring in general.

Riots system right now is like the current t2 landscape is what t3 was 2 years ago and the current tier 1 system is similar to what t2 was 2 years ago.

In tier 1, orgs will pick up players who are not being paid anything and are questionable just like what tier 2 is right now with the new orgs. Tier 2 will become the same as what premier is right now with random no names making challengers in hopes of being picked up by a tier 2 team.

sorry about this ramble that I've written in the last 4 minutes so ignore any typos or grammar mistakes

Someone tldr this, im too tired to read

Dybala21 [#10]

Someone tldr this, im too tired to read

riot is killing org's interests in t2 and making it harder to be a pro player. They probably won't change.

nooomy [#8]

honestly it might happen too lmao, EG was trying to give their spot to Flyquest over the offseason so they might fuck around and find out

-EG
+TSM

Zerphyr1 [#9]

the whole point of t2 is to get talent and players that are good enough for t1 and this approach from riot is very unlikely to change but the system that they place to achieve this goal is horrible.

riot is very unlikely to change their philosophy of esports and so they don't care if there are orgs who pay salaries in t2 or not.

right now I see a future in which there will be no orgs in t2 apart from maybe 10 or less. Because of this it will be very hard to become a pro player as if you want to try and become a full time pro or even semi pro you will need to be like in the top 3 teams in t2 for each region, this will then cause the skill of valorant players at the top level to diminish and we won't see many new faces in the franchised league as the t1 pros get better as they can contribute more time into getting better and the tier 2 pros can't dedicate much time as they aren't even getting paid enough to make this a career and so they won't be able to play much valorant and won't be able to improve as a player (this is sorta what the whole oce region is).

In the topic of t2 promotion I think riot will save more money in the long run with this current system (if u don't include other externalities) but if you do include long term effects of this system then the same players will likely be recycled each year which will cause the scene to get a bit dry and boring in general.

Riots system right now is like the current t2 landscape is what t3 was 2 years ago and the current tier 1 system is similar to what t2 was 2 years ago.

In tier 1, orgs will pick up players who are not being paid anything and are questionable just like what tier 2 is right now with the new orgs. Tier 2 will become the same as what premier is right now with random no names making challengers in hopes of being picked up by a tier 2 team.

sorry about this ramble that I've written in the last 4 minutes so ignore any typos or grammar mistakes

but they have also show willingness to adapt and change so i think t2 stands a good chance to get better but as it stands right now, this is a t1 problem too. if t2 teams can come in and compete then what's the point of separating the teams in the first place yk?