Top 20 Players

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iluckilyVA

Here is my comprehensive list of the top 20 players from each region (10 for China) going into Split number 1
Don't get too mad, remember this is my opinion!

EMEA Top 20 AME Top 20 PAC Top 20 CHINA Top 10

Alfajer (FNC) 1. Zekken (SEN) 1. Jingg (PRX) 1. Rb (TEC)
N4RRATE (KC) 2. Aspas (LEV) 2. t3xture (GENG) 2. ZmjKK (EDG)
MiniBoo (TH) 3. Less (LOUD) 3. f0rsaken (PRX) 3. Life (FPX)
Leo (FNC) 4. Demon1 (NRG) 4. Mako (DRX) 4. Stew (JDG)
Derke (FNC) 5. TenZ (SEN) 5. Karon (GENG) 5. Autumn (FPX)
Shao (NAVI) 6. Crashies (NRG) 6. Meteor (GENG) 6. CHICHOO (EDG)
Marteen (KC) 7. Victor (NRG) 7. Sayaplayer (T1) 7. vo0kashu (DRG)
Sayf (VIT) 8. Cauanzin (LOUD) 8. Something (PRX) 8. Whzy (BLG)
Chronicle (FNC) 9. Jawgemo (EG) 9. BuZz (DRX) 9. Smoggy (EDG)
Trexx (VIT) 10. Marved (NRG) 10. Jemkin (RRQ) 10. Nobody (EDG)
Benjyfishy (TH) 11. Keznit (KRU) 11. Xccurate (T1)
Suygetsu (NAVI) 12. Oxy (C9) 12. Munchkin (GENG)
Cloud (GX) 13. TuyZ (LOUD) 13. d4v41 (PRX)
RieNs (TH) 14. Ethan (NRG) 14. Dep (ZETA)
Tomaszy (KC) 15. Mwzera (FUR) 15. Laz (ZETA)
nAts (TL) 16. Eeiu (100T) 16. Mindfreak (PRX)
Ardiis (NAVI) 17. JohnQT (SEN) 17. Invy (TS)
cNed (FUT) 18. C0M (LEV) 18. Stax (DRX)
Zyppan (NAVI) 19. Shyy (KRU) 19. Zest (BLEED)
Jamppi (TL) 20. Leaf (G2) 20. BORKUM (TS)

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eeiu over johnqt...

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Don't think that there's much difference between them; they're interchangeable if anything, but I'm expecting 100T to come up huge during Split 1 and naturally there's far less pressure on Eeiu than JohnQT, considering John is leading.

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interchangable ☠️

#16

iluckilyVA

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Great analysis dude! I can really see where you're coming from with this point!

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brother the point is very clearly visible, you just don't see

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iluckilyVA

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I've argued my point in response to other comments in this thread. Competition will be much harder in Split 1 than in Kick Off obviously. I expect 100T to do well in the regular season and naturally there is less pressure on Eeiu, allowing him to strive more individually than JohnQT, who leads the team.

This is literally the difference between one placement that we are arguing about lmfao

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Chunkio

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brother johnqt has better fragging and hes an igl that just led them to a masters win

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iluckilyVA

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Competition will be much harder in Split 1 than in Kick Off obviously. I expect 100T to do well in the regular season and naturally there is less pressure on Eeiu, allowing him to strive more individually than JohnQT, who leads the team. >

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how are we basing this? stats wise or impact wise? if u watch sens games johnqt literally always has the reads on where the enemy is playing, which surely holds so much more impact than eeiu having similar mechanics?

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johnqt should be top 10 minimum

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babi

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oxy over johnqt and ethan -_-

#8

iluckilyVA

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Individually, yes. Not considering IGL factor as much.

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Pengu12

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I mean johnqt was the best player statistically on Sen during playoffs

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iluckilyVA

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In Madrid playoffs? Because the highest rated player in that part of the tournament was Zekken for Sentinels and regardless, I'm not only going to use playoffs as a measuring point for how I rank a player.

Anyways, this is just my prediction for how players will perform individually in Split 1.

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Pengu12

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Johnqt was rated higher then zekken is playoffs btw

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iluckilyVA

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He literally wasn't but yeah sure bud

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https://imgur.com/a/0gABEOC

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iluckilyVA

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Regardless, how are you going to isolate one specific part of a specific tournament and use that to rate a player going into a whole different season? Outside of playoffs Zekken is rated higher than him, despite rating being far harsher on duelist players.

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highest rated players are literally always the duelists, they have the most chances to get kills

#83

iluckilyVA

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That literally is not the case. If you wanted to use Madrid as an overall basis of that 7/10 players in the top 10 in terms of rating are NOT duelist players.

There are NUMEROUS times when even though a duelist has the most kills, they will still be the lowest rated player on the team.

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Pengu12

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Can u just check instead of lying?

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iluckilyVA

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Regardless, how are you going to isolate one specific part of a specific tournament and use that to rate a player going into a whole different season? Outside of playoffs Zekken is rated higher than him, despite rating being far harsher on duelist players.

That literally is not the case. If you wanted to use Madrid as an overall basis of that 7/10 players in the top 10 in terms of rating are NOT duelist players.

There are NUMEROUS times when even though a duelist has the most kills, they will still be the lowest rated player on the team.

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No one is saying he is the best Sen player or that VLR rating is good, all I said is that he was the highest rated Sen player in playoffs and u denied it

Also it just helps prove that johnqt is great individually cause was performing well against the best of the best

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stopped reading at CUCKAJER

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Lucrix

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kk over rb? yes kk had a SHIT performance, but still..

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iluckilyVA

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I don't see EDG getting much better this year I'm afraid.

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Lucrix

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who is the problem? i feel like they have the firepower(ig you could make an argument for haodong but he's also the igl and he's had his moments) just lack the strats. would bringing in a new coach/an analyst from overseas help them?

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iluckilyVA

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I don't think their issues stem from individuals. I think that their overall team work, however; is dreadful. Whether that be trading, peaking off of each other or just generally supporting each other with utility like flashes (especially KangKang, who often goes unsupported by his initiators)

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Lucrix

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so if they just learn to play together, they'll become good right?

#14

iluckilyVA

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I think so. Firepower on the team is still crazy, especially within KangKang, Smoggy and Nobody and they proved that at Tokyo.

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Lucrix

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chichoo is insane in the clutch too

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cauanzin better than vic for sure

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I wanted to understand why the player with the best rating in the playoffs, third best rating in the masters and fifth best rating in the kickoff is behind marved, crashies, oxy, keznit, jawgemo and victor.

Tuyz is the most underrated player in the world

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1923/champions-tour-2024-americas-kickoff

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1921/champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1921/champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid?exclude=23896.23902.23903&min_rounds=0&agent=all

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iluckilyVA

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I think TuyZ is a great player, but with the other teams having more time to practise. Like 100T, LEV, NRG and EG for example. I don't think LOUD will have a great 2024, hindering TuyZ performance wise.

As for Oxy and Keznit, those guys are just mechanically some of the best players in the game, and they'll be standouts within their teams for sure. Especially on their roles.

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I had to wash my eyes with acid after reading this!

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EdsonTresPernas

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me too

#25

iluckilyVA

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After read this!

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WhatADrag

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reading*
typo

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iluckilyVA

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Love the really well thought out point that you made in your original comment though! Thanks 😊

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iluckilyVA

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ersagaswdgsadghagtdsg

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Sinbad

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YOU HAVE A HIDDEN TALENT IN RANKING PLAYERS!! . keep it hidden

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iluckilyVA

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Again, there is 0 constructive criticism here and there is no point in you responding lmfao.

Also get your copy and paste ass comeback out of here LMFAO

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unknown_trash

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YESSS MAKO MY KING MY GOAT MY SMOKER IN 4TH I LOVE THAT

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BOSSCK

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4 NRG players in top 10 for americas is crazy
ig they could be the second best team in the world bc they lost to sen in single elim but maybe thats just cope idk

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cboomer

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ur low iq tbh

#36

iluckilyVA

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WHERE IS YOUR ARGUMENT!?!?!??!?!

just spouting nothing

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cboomer

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show me where ethan showed hes better than johnqt

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iluckilyVA

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By winning a CHAMPIONSHIP and placing 2nd at Masters

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cboomer

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that was like 8 months ago lol

#43

iluckilyVA

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In what world isn't that recent lmfao

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cboomer

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in a world where hes straight up not as good as johnqt

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iluckilyVA

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INDIVIDUALLY, Ethan will be, and IS better than JohnQT

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cboomer

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this is why you cant take nrg fans serious lol

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iluckilyVA

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I'm not an NRG fan

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keyword is “will “

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iluckilyVA

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Exactly! That's what my list is. It's not a ranking of how players performed at Madrid/Kick Off- if I wanted to do that I'd just rank players based off of how they performed in that tournament solely, it's a ranking of how I think players will perform in Stage 1

Also- I said both 'WILL' and 'IS'.

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Wezzaa

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Are you able to write reasoning for the lists

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iluckilyVA

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Ask me what you want reasoning for

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Wezzaa

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For where each individual player is man

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iluckilyVA

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I'm not writing an extensive list of reasons for 70 players. I'm sorry lmfao

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Sir_Johnny123

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W list, people are heavily focusing on placement more than what pro's been missed.

I reckon Vitality Kicks is underrated af

#45

iluckilyVA

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Yeah I was thinking about putting him on the list somewhere

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Sir_Johnny123

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I could see him replacing Reins or Tomaszy but its hard to decide bc they're all solid players

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iluckilyVA

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I think that's a pretty fair placement

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You know its bad on VLR when one of the only reasonable people in the forum is a FNC fan. lol

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Sir_Johnny123

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Still 10x better than a Sen fan lmao

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AnakinPodracer

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TRUE lmao

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TheAceGamer30

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Bro did not cook

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iZu needs to be in top 20

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iluckilyVA

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I can respect that, I'm not sure who I'd get rid of to add him to the list though.

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iZu can slot in at 17th, but then again Jemkin 10th is quite high.

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crashies and victor should not be this high, shyy should not be on the list

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great list

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Why does crashies keep getting bumped up.

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where nukkye

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iluckilyVA

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Benched

https://www.vlr.gg/323955/giantx-part-ways-with-nukkye

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Rb best in china? you are smoking a whole cigar

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iluckilyVA

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Yes.

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Good list but wtf is this format

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iluckilyVA

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I made it in notes and copy and pasted it. My bad lmfao

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dont ever cook again bro