if you're going to use the dumb argument, riot had such a shit kickoff format, Kickoff groups was to eliminate all of the shit teams (C9, FURIA, 100T) meaning if your team was actually good and spent their time in the offseason grinding maps, this would not be hard, the draw was very fucked for teams like SEN 100T I do admit. Play-In seperated the teams who made it into play-in because of matchups with a good team etc Furia played C9 and MIBR both shit teams but so is Furia. G2 had a easy group but lost, then losing to SEN making SEN go to playoffs, and the argument NRG should've won Sunset it's in the past it doesnt matter if you think they should've SEN were also using a new Sunset comp aswell, Then to Madrid I really liked swiss stage the matchups were pretty even besides FPX, draw was shit, SEN played KC(2-0) and TH (2-1). Seperated all the good teams from the great teams and playoffs, PRX showed up vs LOUD but didn't vs SEN, SEN handeled LOUD as expected then played Gen.G and got wiped off earth, beat PRX in Lowers and winning in a close series vs Gen.G. Meaning IF your team did not take offseason seriously like Gen.G LOUD SEN and PRX RIOT punished it, blame your teams not riot
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Stupid take, teams have worked just as hard as SEN have been and just because SEN won Afreeca doesn't change that fact at all. NRG could've scrimmed 10x harder than SEN the second they got their roster complete but we wouldn't know that, but yet you're insisting on pushing this stupid narrative because teams aren't vocal about their offseason work as much as SEN has been. You're undermining literally every team not named GENG, LOUD, SEN, and PRX in terms of their practice regime.
skibidiyesyes [#4]Stupid take, teams have worked just as hard as SEN have been and just because SEN won Afreeca doesn't change that fact at all. NRG could've scrimmed 10x harder than SEN the second they got their roster complete but we wouldn't know that, but yet you're insisting on pushing this stupid narrative because teams aren't vocal about their offseason work as much as SEN has been. You're undermining literally every team not named GENG, LOUD, SEN, and PRX in terms of their practice regime.
Cloud 9 were in hawaii after beating FNATIC in november and SEN and LOUD in americas have dated to start scrims 2 weeks after champs ended and SEN were scrimming during champs with John.
envyz [#5]Cloud 9 were in hawaii after beating FNATIC in november and SEN and LOUD in americas have dated to start scrims 2 weeks after champs ended and SEN were scrimming during champs with John.
#4 again. Every team works hard but you're insisting in believing that SEN are the hardest grinders because every other team didn't try hard enough apparently, you are unbelievably dumb right now.
skibidiyesyes [#6]#4 again. Every team works hard but you're insisting in believing that SEN are the hardest grinders because every other team didn't try hard enough apparently, you are unbelievably dumb right now.
teams have not worked as hard as sen. teams like 100t,c9 and etc went on vacation after champs. where did you get his information?
envyz [#5]Cloud 9 were in hawaii after beating FNATIC in november and SEN and LOUD in americas have dated to start scrims 2 weeks after champs ended and SEN were scrimming during champs with John.
when did C9 beat fnatic????? LMFAO
Reckoninqs [#8]teams have not worked as hard as sen. teams like 100t,c9 and etc went on vacation after champs. where did you get his information?
And we know that SEN are 100% the hardest grinders in Americas because.........................................................................................................................................................
skibidiyesyes [#6]#4 again. Every team works hard but you're insisting in believing that SEN are the hardest grinders because every other team didn't try hard enough apparently, you are unbelievably dumb right now.
well ur right and sort of missing the point.Its not like teams didnt work hard.Im sure they worked hard,but the duration.Like nrg roster was literally made like a month and half before kickoff.So it all comes to the duration.I think the point he was trying to make every team has worked hard.But sen has been working hard for like 6+ months if that makes sense.
skibidiyesyes [#10]And we know that SEN are 100% the hardest grinders in Americas because.........................................................................................................................................................
they started scrimming during champs? jing stated it and com even fnc??? After, lcq teams scrambled for new players, SEN acquired Johnqt immediately allowing them to scrim.
skibidiyesyes [#6]#4 again. Every team works hard but you're insisting in believing that SEN are the hardest grinders because every other team didn't try hard enough apparently, you are unbelievably dumb right now.
https://www.vlr.gg/320631/masters-madrid-competition-downplay its the beginning of the season obviously the level of teams are going to be worse a shit ton of roster shakeups have happened, but its still a ton of teams faults for not putting in reps, and for NRG a team cannot forbid a player for scrimming with another team for trials contract jail doesnt = u cant play the game (so dont use this excuse) blame teams for not scrimming enough and i'm not saying that a shit ton of diff teams didnt grind im saying teams that had finalized rosters before November are all in the playoffs of Madrid dont blame riot Madrid format was beautiful, same way with Lock-In it punished teams who didnt put in offseason hours.
Hyssopus1 [#14]Who shall i blame if my team only had 3 weeks of prac because EG is a bitch and didnt allowed their players to scrim before the end of the contract?
this saying goes to NRG,100T fans aswell
Contract Jail was either play on main roster with reduced pay or be on bench with reduced pay its a contract you cant breach it without a buyout, never said they couldnt scrim with other teams or anything.
envyz [#16]Contract Jail was either play on main roster with reduced pay or be on bench with reduced pay its a contract you cant breach it without a buyout, never said they couldnt scrim with other teams or anything.
but i am saying this to you c0m in his stream said that he couldnt scrim with lev before so they only had 3 weeks of scrims, and Fer Ceo of lev didnt care for a buyout he wanted to buy c0m since 2023 but EG didnt want to sell him, so thats why i am saying that not only LEV got fucked but NRG,100T got fucked the same way go and see the twitter of the CEO of NRG he said that this decision to buy demon1 and ethan was a gamble against the time and he said that the patience of the management did payoff in the end, so you get it now that these 3 teams got completely fucked by EG?
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