Navi are the number one team right now. I feel like if they grinded valorant nonstop for let's say 3 month, they could be a top 3 in the world. With the likes of S1mple those children don't stand a chance. What you think?
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I think 3 months to become a top tier team in CIS. 5 months to become a top tier Team in EMEA. 9 months to become top 3 team Internationally potentially even longer.
(9 months in total if this looks weird. So 3 months, 2 months, 4 months)
3 months for the whole squad to get attuned to valorant and just do some starting scrims. And probably 2 more months they should be able to take on the best of the best in EU. And international competition is only every 3 months so they have to consistently show them as a force to be reckoned with to be considered top 3 internationally.
Asphyxia [#4]I think 3 months to become a top tier team in CIS. 5 months to become a top tier Team in EMEA. 9 months to become top 3 team Internationally potentially even longer.
(9 months in total if this looks weird. So 3 months, 2 months, 4 months)3 months for the whole squad to get attuned to valorant and just do some starting scrims. And probably 2 more months they should be able to take on the best of the best in EU. And international competition is only every 3 months so they have to consistently show them as a force to be reckoned with to be considered top 3 internationally.
Also meta will change consistently so I think this is reasonable.
Asphyxia [#4]I think 3 months to become a top tier team in CIS. 5 months to become a top tier Team in EMEA. 9 months to become top 3 team Internationally potentially even longer.
(9 months in total if this looks weird. So 3 months, 2 months, 4 months)3 months for the whole squad to get attuned to valorant and just do some starting scrims. And probably 2 more months they should be able to take on the best of the best in EU. And international competition is only every 3 months so they have to consistently show them as a force to be reckoned with to be considered top 3 internationally.
Reasonable and i agree coming into the scene just now and scrimming and grinding for 3 months wont make you the world champions like that
Noyn [#7]In 3 months they would be the best team in the world definitely, the MACRO knowledge of this team and the pure skill of Simple and Electronic are at another level, there are no riflers or snipers in Valorant currently that are up to Simple and Electronic
well you are right by saying S1mple and electronic has that raw mechanical skills to dominate but at the same time this game is more about utility usage and overall outplaying your enemy aim does matter but not as much. for them it wont be that hard to compete at the highest level but it will take some time for them to get the hang of this game and adapt to the current metas
Demise [#8]well you are right by saying S1mple and electronic has that raw mechanical skills to dominate but at the same time this game is more about utility usage and overall outplaying your enemy aim does matter but not as much. for them it wont be that hard to compete at the highest level but it will take some time for them to get the hang of this game and adapt to the current metas
Just imagine Simple with Jett and Eletronic with Reyna
I really doubt even S1mple would be able to conquer valorant that quickly. It took him years to completely master and control the mechanics of CS. But the problem is that CS mechanics is fundementally so much different from Valorant that it would be almost a complete 180 for him. Not only that but Valorant mechanics aren't as "clutch" oriented and the skill cap is far lower; this isn't to say that valorant is easier since it has abilities to compensate. S1mple's dominance is heavily reliant on how gifted he is mechanically and he knows he can abuse that advantage over everyone. Valorant probably can't do the same things for him that CS can.
They can definitely be a top 3 team in under a year with how new Valorant is currently so there is that. But expecting 3 months of playtime to get them to top 3 is probably a bit idealistic.
Asphyxia [#4]I think 3 months to become a top tier team in CIS. 5 months to become a top tier Team in EMEA. 9 months to become top 3 team Internationally potentially even longer.
(9 months in total if this looks weird. So 3 months, 2 months, 4 months)3 months for the whole squad to get attuned to valorant and just do some starting scrims. And probably 2 more months they should be able to take on the best of the best in EU. And international competition is only every 3 months so they have to consistently show them as a force to be reckoned with to be considered top 3 internationally.
top tier in CIS = top tier Team in EMEA (Gambit)
Na1my [#12]The combination of s1mple and electronic would be better then TenZ or cNed.
S1MPLE , ELEC AND B1T🥶🥶
Pogo [#19]S1mple right now could just open up Valorant and shit on cNed and TenZ. Stop acting like Val is some sort of rocket science
I agree that s1mple is much better than tenz or cned . But that dosent mean they can dominate valorant . The game requires much more team co ordination than cs . Eveyone who plays both games said it .
JokesOver [#20]I agree that s1mple is much better than tenz or cned . But that dosent mean they can dominate valorant . The game requires much more team co ordination than cs . Eveyone who plays both games said it .
It is not true.
It is somewhat easier. Want to know why? Because each and every player in Valorant has distinctive roles, using the agents for those set purposes. While in CS isn't that the case, because roles aren't set in stone: "x, from now on, you will be always the entry or the lurker". No, it's way different and more complex.
CS has a very steep learning curve. The entire game is based on skill, since no player has a specific advantage over another. It really is much deeper than other FPS games, and much harder to catch up to other players in.
Go and play it, then play Valorant and see for yourself.
Other pros/ex-pros shares the same opinion about this, including n0thing, sgares, etc.
Ps.: https://www.hltv.org/stats/matches/70318/astralis-vs-cloud9 - check the Cloud9 roster; It is the NA Valorant tier 1 scene + mixwell.
EdmondN1 [#22]It is not true.
It is somewhat easier. Want to know why? Because each and every player in Valorant has distinctive roles, using the agents for those set purposes. While in CS isn't that the case, because roles aren't set in stone: "x, from now on, you will be always the entry or the lurker". No, it's way different and more complex.
CS has a very steep learning curve. The entire game is based on skill, since no player has a specific advantage over another. It really is much deeper than other FPS games, and much harder to catch up to other players in.
Go and play it, then play Valorant and see for yourself.
Other pros/ex-pros shares the same opinion about this, including n0thing, sgares, etc.
Ps.: https://www.hltv.org/stats/matches/70318/astralis-vs-cloud9 - check the Cloud9 roster; It is the NA Valorant tier 1 scene + mixwell.
Time will tell
EdmondN1 [#22]It is not true.
It is somewhat easier. Want to know why? Because each and every player in Valorant has distinctive roles, using the agents for those set purposes. While in CS isn't that the case, because roles aren't set in stone: "x, from now on, you will be always the entry or the lurker". No, it's way different and more complex.
CS has a very steep learning curve. The entire game is based on skill, since no player has a specific advantage over another. It really is much deeper than other FPS games, and much harder to catch up to other players in.
Go and play it, then play Valorant and see for yourself.
Other pros/ex-pros shares the same opinion about this, including n0thing, sgares, etc.
Ps.: https://www.hltv.org/stats/matches/70318/astralis-vs-cloud9 - check the Cloud9 roster; It is the NA Valorant tier 1 scene + mixwell.
You are right about CS having a steep learning curve. However it is highly improbable for a team to do well from the get go. The so called tier 1 Valo pros have taken a lot of time to set in and start dominating. Take a team like T1. They played the game very slowly and depended more on gunplay rather than abilities in the beginning. They were half-decent and completely got obliterated by teams like TSM and SEN who adapted to the game very differently. Do you think it is possible to get the spike down in CS within 10 seconds? I don't think so. Valo has expanded to boundaries which CS can never imagine. A viper can literally camp spawn the entire round and still clutch the round with only her mollies.
The meta keeps changing every 2 weeks with a new patch. By the time a team settles down in the meta of one patch, a new patch is already out with mechanics just to ruin your game. People come up with new tactics every day. Having watched Valo for nearly a year, the difference in how teams play now v/s how the teams played back then is huge. Wall boosts, New lineups for every agent, outplay tactics are being discovered every day. Navi is the best team in CS now, but if they enter Valorant now, a Raze with double satchels and a Judge is enough to destroy them.
The fact that people are so idiotic that they think CS teams could come to Valorant and just own because they play CS is mind blowing. There is so much that teams and players had to learn to be good in Valorant. The angles, the peaks, the ability usage and information game is completely different to CS. CS teams will go in and try to crouch peak, not knowing that your movement is so slow, it makes you an easy target. Don't be idiots. These players that came from CS didn't just hop in the game every now and then and become as good as they are. To say any player, whether it is Simple, Device or any player will be better than Tier 1 Valorant is dumb af. They have to come into the game and show their merit for you to give them that credit.
TBH, you are partially right, about no one having a clear advantage in CS, being entirely skill based etc.
What you kinda got wrong imo is everyone having a set role in Valorant... Like, it's far from it... For example, if you play Sage alone on site that's being rushed by a whole team, you would quickly need to retreat and play retake as in that case, even Sage's defensive potential becomes obsolete. You are required to use agents differently from their surface-level intended use in order to carry out rounds properly. Now you would need to place Sage walls and slow orbs in other places, using them differently than intended in the beginning of the round to play retake by closing out the angles, or, try to lurk with an agent that possibly doesn't have best utility to carry out his given task...
That kind of more than necessary adaptation exists in CS too, of course, but with so many agents & with so much utility being played, plus, metas changing and being innovated all the time, learning curve becomes even steeper than CS's if you ask me... And even after all that, and utility carrying out the final kills in the round, the game still comes down to landing your shots.
To be honest, the utility in Valorant is relatively straightforward. Considering the sheer raw talent on the team, they can take the #1 spot once B1ade gets a stratbook done. Although s1mple could get antistratted, having b1t and elec popping off like they are right now means that enough resources will be used against s1mple to give NaVi a sufficient advantage in all other aspects, once s1mple gets shut down.
Blazieboy [#26]You are right about CS having a steep learning curve. However it is highly improbable for a team to do well from the get go. The so called tier 1 Valo pros have taken a lot of time to set in and start dominating. Take a team like T1. They played the game very slowly and depended more on gunplay rather than abilities in the beginning. They were half-decent and completely got obliterated by teams like TSM and SEN who adapted to the game very differently. Do you think it is possible to get the spike down in CS within 10 seconds? I don't think so. Valo has expanded to boundaries which CS can never imagine. A viper can literally camp spawn the entire round and still clutch the round with only her mollies.
The meta keeps changing every 2 weeks with a new patch. By the time a team settles down in the meta of one patch, a new patch is already out with mechanics just to ruin your game. People come up with new tactics every day. Having watched Valo for nearly a year, the difference in how teams play now v/s how the teams played back then is huge. Wall boosts, New lineups for every agent, outplay tactics are being discovered every day. Navi is the best team in CS now, but if they enter Valorant now, a Raze with double satchels and a Judge is enough to destroy them.
Every 2 weeks now that changes are being made constantly, after some time RIOT will have nothing to change in fundamentals game play aspects, will be only when a new agent comes. Then the meta will "change" every 3 months, well, only if the agent is good too or no-one will pick it and the game will keep the same.
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