I've been following the VCT NA event for a while. Why do they not have player cams on stream.
Even domestic tournaments in my country has player cams so I guess it's not that hard to set up.
Will improve the stream quality and the viewers will like it aswell
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Player cams require a lot of bandwidth, hardware on the side of players, as well as significant work on the side of the broadcast team.
The way Riot did them during the Stage 1 Masters (unless I'm gaslighting myself...) is that they sent each of the players in the event a Raspberry Pi, which is a tiny single-board computer that runs on Linux, with a camera attached to it. The players connect it to the internet and it essentially streams back to Riot's production setup and they use those streams live whenever they need to. The reason why the camera is its own device running on a RPi is because video processing takes some processing power and bandwidth, and they don't want it to affect the players' performance in games. This is the same tech that the Overwatch League uses.
It's also a lot on the side of the players as well as the broadcast team, which is why the more skeleton crew of NSG and other regions don't use them, as they already have complex online setups and it's expensive to host a stream at the scale that people expect from a Riot-sponsored circuit.
So, why not just use webcams, like your region likely does? Because most of them look like shit and it's still a ton of extra work. And really: who cares if people enjoy it a bit more; ultimately NSG are just a contractor to Riot for the VCT NA circuit and money is always on the mind. You're already tuning into the streams to see the teams compete, why spend extra money to set up player cams and other gimmicks? NSG have nowhere near the resources that they need to be on par with Riot's own seasoned production team, and they're stretched thin due to the numerous streams they have to maintain due to the size of their open brackets.
There are other nuances in this, but at that point, we're delving into business and that's a whole 'nother world entirely.
1RustedSilver [#3]Eu has great production with Player cams so props to them and NA better step it up with formats and production..
Yea true. EU used to have a shit format and production. But now they're really good. One thing though. I honestly think the castors in NA aren't that bad though. That's not the problem. But I guess EU are just doing more right now. EU isn't quite at LEC level production let's be honest but I think they are the best in valorant right now.
Asphyxia [#4]Yea true. EU used to have a shit format and production. But now they're really good. One thing though. I honestly think the castors in NA aren't that bad though. That's not the problem. But I guess EU are just doing more right now. EU isn't quite at LEC level production let's be honest but I think they are the best in valorant right now.
Yep. Casting, desk segments, Player cams in clutches, head to head player cams all very nicely done. Also shoutout to EU observers they been doing real good.
1RustedSilver [#5]Yep. Casting, desk segments, Player cams in clutches, head to head player cams all very nicely done. Also shoutout to EU observers they been doing real good.
I feel like NA just isn't trying to push the boundaries of what's possible. I think it's because the scene is already successful that they don't feel like improving it which is kinda sad. Hopefully NA step up their game.
WitLitning [#8]player cams on streams are wack as hell, i’m not tryna to see these scrawny sweaty bois every second of the match feel me.
Shao and Mixwell on that staring contest though. That was hype. They weren't even moving. I wonder how they did it.
(yes I am joking. they both didn't have cams on at one point so they couldn't use the player cams for them so they just used pictures.)
bleghfarec [#2]Player cams require a lot of bandwidth, hardware on the side of players, as well as significant work on the side of the broadcast team.
The way Riot did them during the Stage 1 Masters (unless I'm gaslighting myself...) is that they sent each of the players in the event a Raspberry Pi, which is a tiny single-board computer that runs on Linux, with a camera attached to it. The players connect it to the internet and it essentially streams back to Riot's production setup and they use those streams live whenever they need to. The reason why the camera is its own device running on a RPi is because video processing takes some processing power and bandwidth, and they don't want it to affect the players' performance in games. This is the same tech that the Overwatch League uses.
It's also a lot on the side of the players as well as the broadcast team, which is why the more skeleton crew of NSG and other regions don't use them, as they already have complex online setups and it's expensive to host a stream at the scale that people expect from a Riot-sponsored circuit.
So, why not just use webcams, like your region likely does? Because most of them look like shit and it's still a ton of extra work. And really: who cares if people enjoy it a bit more; ultimately NSG are just a contractor to Riot for the VCT NA circuit and money is always on the mind. You're already tuning into the streams to see the teams compete, why spend extra money to set up player cams and other gimmicks? NSG have nowhere near the resources that they need to be on par with Riot's own seasoned production team, and they're stretched thin due to the numerous streams they have to maintain due to the size of their open brackets.
There are other nuances in this, but at that point, we're delving into business and that's a whole 'nother world entirely.
Here in India , most of the top tier players are also streamers who get about 500-2/3k watching so most of them have invested into good webcams and good enough setups that running a webcam feed doesn't affect the game much. The players who don't stream / don't have a capable enough setup generally use their mobile phones and something like camninja or something like that I don't remember the name exactly. Most tournaments here have player cams and audience has mostly come to expect it at this point , it's become the norm for more than one reason , number one being that we get to see player reactions after clutches and aces and sometimes they are really fun to watch and it also prevents multiple people playing from one player id which has unfortunately happened once before in this region in the T2 scene so TO's have made player cams nearly mandatory now
I think there was only one big scale tourney here with all the top teams which didn't have player cams in the recent days.
Asphyxia [#9]Shao and Mixwell on that staring contest though. That was hype. They weren't even moving. I wonder how they did it.
(yes I am joking. they both didn't have cams on at one point so they couldn't use the player cams for them so they just used pictures.)
that was funny
yana-banana [#13]First they need some other/better observers. Like I think the Andbox vs TSM match was so bad from the observer at some point. Not enjoyable. Changing the players povs like its ranked.
Deadass like why they go to wardell holding and op angle when you can see on radar that nobody is gonna cross the angle
thanatos11 [#15]Deadass like why they go to wardell holding and op angle when you can see on radar that nobody is gonna cross the angle
Exactly! And yay was fragging out and we couldn't even see it. They should hire Mel, so far she is one the best observers. I know she mostly observs eu games but I would rather watch her observs over this shaky one.
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