Edit: Fnatic 3-2 Tenstar
Edit 2: Fnatic 3-1 TL
Final edit: fuck this never making an emea prediction again this shit too random for me i feel like an idiot now
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schlong [#1]Edit: Fnatic 3-2 Tenstar
Edit 2: Fnatic 3-1 TL
Final edit: fuck this never making an emea prediction again this shit too random for me i feel like an idiot now
bo5
w1rk [#13]Looks like TL will be eliminated. I wonder if they will keep their roster or change it for last chance qualifier(for champions).
They can't change more than 2 players. If not they lose their points due to core change, like Heretics.
thebrownlegend [#11]My mind wants liquid
My body tells me fnatic
Your body consists of almost 70% Liquid tho :think:
Jockie [#16]They can't change more than 2 players. If not they lose their points due to core change, like Heretics.
im obviously saying to not change 3. 1 or 2 is fine
Ryuzaki [#15]This is truly gonna be a very sad match up :( Both Liquid and Fnatic are beloved teams and seeing one of them go would be very upsetting :(
I would be sad for Fnatic because they have tried to innovate with new comps and cool strats. But I feel like TL is not evolving as they should. Who ever wins this I would say it is reality more than upsetting
Ryuzaki [#15]This is truly gonna be a very sad match up :( Both Liquid and Fnatic are beloved teams and seeing one of them go would be very upsetting :(
will be*. yea its quite sad but thats just how it goes with these things
Liquid_fan [#23]I'm going to stop trying to guess the scores, I just know that TL WIN , so Unlucky for Fnatic this tourmament, hopefully he recovers for the last chance qualifier, if it were a bo3 maybe they'd have a chance
i'm gonna come back to this after the game because I truly believe that fnatic win. they pushed giants to ot while liquid got a total of 9 rounds in 2 maps against VGIA.
ErenJaeger [#29]Why isnt it bo3 like NA bracket?
In NA 3 out of 8 qual for Berlin while in EU maximum 4 out of 6, so I guess this is way more important as only top 6 teams from EU will be in the next stage.
Aqr8 [#19]this matchup is now called the EU clasico
The 2021 version of the Ignition clasico FPX-G2
ErenJaeger [#29]Why isnt it bo3 like NA bracket?
cause whoever loses this wont be on the qualifiers for berlin, so theyre doing this to be more accurate
amogus [#27]om nichi san wa dure da ku yo ni kai nichi kura mala de ki yo ni sai gora nan da kula deki yami
sus
ImpudentBeast [#5]Liquid vs Fnatic 1-3
edit: scream not using kayo changed so much, congrats on the win TL!
or maybe 2-3
Traderslife [#59]Let's be honest here. Team Liquid is a very inconsistent team, BUT once they are on form they'll dominate any team.
If that happens
3-1 Liquid.
Thats the thing they're not in form
Areyannnnn [#60]Why is this a b05 ? Only finals are b05 right?
the brackets weird like that, but this lineup is insane so more fun for us.
Bburmaning [#48]ngl i only watch for scream
same for me, i play competitive and scream every round.
mynameisEARL [#44]Bring back Jett to jjamppi. Need to see derke and jjamppi duke it out. Jett vs Jett , OP vs OP and they are same country.
derke wins it now, his bald head is more aerodynamic for jett abilities.
Neon74 [#38]why is the lower final a bo5? retarded format
edit; on top of that the final is already a bo5 so wtf?
grand finals doesnt really matter, whoever wins this goes to emea playoffs with chance at berlin and giants already made it to emea. whoever loses here most likely doesnt make champions so its a huge match.
Traderslife [#32]Liquid are very inconsistent. They could be in their top form tomorrow, you never know. If they are then definitely
3-1 Liquid.
feels like they roll a dice if they pop off or get shut tf down lol.
unknown_trash [#25]i'm gonna come back to this after the game because I truly believe that fnatic win. they pushed giants to ot while liquid got a total of 9 rounds in 2 maps against VGIA.
i dont think you can apply transitive property in pro play but i agree that this is fnatics match to lose. they need to just play their own game and they win.
EpicWolf [#51]na, it´s too far to be "el clásico" of EU, but el cásico of UK sure by far
El classico is kinda appropriate since no other team in EU has really achieved the same feats as Liquid and Fnatic. Masters 1 was kinda a non event.
Gunzout97 [#61]Thats the thing they're not in form
Hard to say though because Jamppi and soulcas have actually been playing brilliantly up until yesterday. Maybe it was just a bump yesterday...
Blazieboy [#75]If Liquid lose today then their run to masters 2 should be called a fluke just like V1's run because both teams won't be in berlin if Liquid lose today.
FNC 3-0. Boaster and Derke ftw.
No it shouldn't, mate. Their run through open quals, challengers, and EMEA to get to Iceland was incredibly impressive. Nothing fluke about it. This is competitive sports, it's tough out there for these teams to stay consistent with so many other playersgridning hard for the same success.
Blazieboy [#75]If Liquid lose today then their run to masters 2 should be called a fluke just like V1's run because both teams won't be in berlin if Liquid lose today.
FNC 3-0. Boaster and Derke ftw.
Average SEN fanboy logic.
heavnsent [#78]No it shouldn't, mate. Their run through open quals, challengers, and EMEA to get to Iceland was incredibly impressive. Nothing fluke about it. This is competitive sports, it's tough out there for these teams to stay consistent with so many other playersgridning hard for the same success.
IDK mate. V1's run was impressive too but many people wrote it off and called it a fluke. V1 had a lower bracket run after losing the very first game. All the more impressive
6vine [#79]Average SEN fanboy logic.
If I was an average fanboy then I would have called both these teams trash. FNC beating Liquid makes more sense considering how poor liquid were yesterday. If Liquid comeback from their loss yesterday then it would be really impressive
6vine [#79]Average SEN fanboy logic.
idk how sen fans manage to outdo themselves with their terrible takes, like u cant be so dumb, and this doesn't even seem like bait
HLTVtoxic [#83]idk how sen fans manage to outdo themselves with their terrible takes, like u cant be so dumb, and this doesn't even seem like bait
Dude, my take would be terrible only if Liquid win today. And I am ready to accept I am wrong. If you think it's bait Idk mate. Until then it is better to wait and watch
Blazieboy [#81]IDK mate. V1's run was impressive too but many people wrote it off and called it a fluke. V1 had a lower bracket run after losing the very first game. All the more impressive
"Many people" are the vocal minority you shouldn't be listening to. Try and form your own opinions, man.
MilanTheMyth [#91]Heart says Liquid but more than sure Fnatic will win.
all liquid fans are kinda reasonable ngl
w1rk [#96]why did fnc get to pick first?
TL came from upper final so they got to ban first. Its 1 ban and then picks
Ibis [#106]TL undeserved
tru, but that is liquid's playstyle, high-risk high reward, though it looked like every time they went for those crazy flanks and bet on one site during defense they went unpunished, fnatic should've done a better job with that.
This was never a fair matchup from the beginning, liquid had an easier run, facing giants later on, and because of that they get to ban their worst map and at the same time fnatic's best, kinda unlucky for the fnatic boys.
6vine [#107]What's your obsession with hating Liquid lmao. Go suck cned's cock
The thing is I want an EMEA team to win Berlin that’s why I’m against liquid. They have the talent to fluke their way pretty far and i don’t see them doing much in Berlin.
arturo_fdez [#102]TL came from upper final so they got to ban first. Its 1 ban and then picks
oh yea ofc. didnt think of that
QGL [#116]Kick KRYPTIX finally, he is holding liquid back **HARD**!
omg He needs to watch some Dapr setups on split because that was terrible. His util usage wasn't strong and the another problem was that he wasn't able to anchor a site and then FNATIC just had to play the postplant.
teemu [#108]jamppi top fragging over scream every single game on fucking rat omen and scream jett still looking average at best. Where did all the scream fanboys go who cried about jamppi for at least a month straight?
This aged poorly lol
drabr420 [#114]0 acs 8 rounds in 🤯
basically that means that he didn't do anything during that period.
6vine [#123]This aged poorly lol
jamppi doesnt top frag for one game
THIS AGED POORLY LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL LETS DISREGARD THE WEEKS OF SCREAM SHITTING THE BED
teemu [#125]jamppi doesnt top frag for one game
THIS AGED POORLY LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL LETS DISREGARD THE WEEKS OF SCREAM SHITTING THE BED
I’m neither a Jamppi hater not a scream fanboy. My point is every player has bad games and saying scream looks average and doesn’t top frag is not true at all.
pewpew [#130]Say whatever you want but TL is gonna get clapped on the international stage, Fnatic would be better at representing EU.
TL had bad showing in iceland that much is true. But I dont think this is the same TL we saw in masters.
In the end if you cant make it through to EMEA playoff you dont deserve to represent EU period
teemu [#125]jamppi doesnt top frag for one game
THIS AGED POORLY LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL LETS DISREGARD THE WEEKS OF SCREAM SHITTING THE BED
ScreaM top frags for 3 games actually, "JAMPPI TOP FRAGGING OVER SCREAM EVERY SINGLE GAME ON FUCKING OMEN" THESE EARLY PREDICTERS LOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL.
w1rk [#137]TL had bad showing in iceland that much is true. But I dont think this is the same TL we saw in masters.
In the end if you cant make it through to EMEA playoff you dont deserve to represent EU period
same thing was said in iceland lol. but oh well, keep the copium going.
pewpew [#130]Say whatever you want but TL is gonna get clapped on the international stage, Fnatic would be better at representing EU.
they why aren't Fnatic winning?
pewpew [#140]same thing was said in iceland lol. but oh well, keep the copium going.
yea, the same copium that fpx fans etc. used when they didnt qualify to iceland?
Ibis [#110]The thing is I want an EMEA team to win Berlin that’s why I’m against liquid. They have the talent to fluke their way pretty far and i don’t see them doing much in Berlin.
fluke their way pretty hard(ahahahah)
ValorantLowSkillGame [#127]Fnatic luckiest team. So many braindead failed CS players with awful aim lmao
The last time I checked i didn't remember seeing ur team in the master finals, idk man
HLTVtoxic [#93]all liquid fans are kinda reasonable ngl
all Liquid fans have lived through enough pain and almost die from heart attacks every time they play
hellaeleganceyeah [#68]grand finals doesnt really matter, whoever wins this goes to emea playoffs with chance at berlin and giants already made it to emea. whoever loses here most likely doesnt make champions so its a huge match.
Ah ok I get it now
yana-banana [#144]Some of yall forgetting this is for the EMEA playoffs. They still need to play there so that they could go to Berlin. Some people already telling which team would be a better representative. smh
Eh...You know this is Europe Challengers right? So...Why is it wrong to say which team is a better representative for the Europe Region? They are essentially representing EU in the EMEA playoffs. I don't see anything wrong in that.
MilanTheMyth [#142]they why aren't Fnatic winning?
Not aging well huh? I am telling you that Fnatic is more versatile. They can still lose but definitely not like you said like if they didn't have a chance.
Edit: Well, mine didn't age well either. But GGs.
heavnsent [#76]El classico is kinda appropriate since no other team in EU has really achieved the same feats as Liquid and Fnatic. Masters 1 was kinda a non event.
oh, good point bro. Mb mb.
MilanTheMyth [#160]Last map of the year for one of them starts now.
They still have an LCQ and they are the points table leaders in EMEA. Definitely not their last map in VCT.
pewpew [#164]Eh...You know this is Europe Challengers right? So...Why is it wrong to say which team is a better representative for the Europe Region? They are essentially representing EU in the EMEA playoffs. I don't see anything wrong in that.
I am not arguing with that but people in threads are being toxic towards the teams in not a nice way.
Letomori [#169]Fnatic please don't choke this boys
They cant hold A.. They've let them into the site for free many times now. Let's see if this tac makes that clear to them.
ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8 [#175]They cant hold A.. They've let them into the site for free many times now. Let's see if this tac makes that clear to them.
just change the viper set up to a omg
Blazieboy [#171]They still have an LCQ and they are the points table leaders in EMEA. Definitely not their last map in VCT.
Not their last map in vct, and I didn't know that LCQ existed
unknown_trash [#25]i'm gonna come back to this after the game because I truly believe that fnatic win. they pushed giants to ot while liquid got a total of 9 rounds in 2 maps against VGIA.
He never came back xd, the truth is, I did not expect such a tight match I thought that liquid would close it before
kapalrevolution [#198]gg to liquid!
can't imagine a LAN event without boaster's shenanigans!!
NO BOASTER AND PATIPHAN btwww
Blazieboy [#75]If Liquid lose today then their run to masters 2 should be called a fluke just like V1's run because both teams won't be in berlin if Liquid lose today.
FNC 3-0. Boaster and Derke ftw.
🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
schlong [#1]Edit: Fnatic 3-2 Tenstar
Edit 2: Fnatic 3-1 TL
Final edit: fuck this never making an emea prediction again this shit too random for me i feel like an idiot now
xD , liquid deserved win, no cap, GG!
k1erre [#209]Boaster swimming in money right now
Nevertheless, it's gotta suck. Bet they really wanted to go to Berlin LAN.
kapalrevolution [#161]magnum is a pain in the ass in T side! nobody lurks better in as a sentinel than magnum!
geez louise!
L1nk "hold my beer"
amogus [#210]Edit: im retarded and i didnt mean to say anything like that. sorry for being like this
1 mediocre performance = becoming washed?
expected comment with someone who has 'amogus' as their username
He also did the best on his team this game
amogus [#210]Edit: im retarded and i didnt mean to say anything like that. sorry for being like this
bruh scream saved them in the rest 4 maps. last map obviously had to protrait the underrated players Link and soulcas. You're overwhelmed by emotions ig
schlong [#1]Edit: Fnatic 3-2 Tenstar
Edit 2: Fnatic 3-1 TL
Final edit: fuck this never making an emea prediction again this shit too random for me i feel like an idiot now
stay off this site for a few days youll be good xD
vollizie [#215]Nevertheless, it's gotta suck. Bet they really wanted to go to Berlin LAN.
Boaster still probably going as musical guest
amogus [#210]Edit: im retarded and i didnt mean to say anything like that. sorry for being like this
The guy is top fragging on his team
raka_gg [#227]Yinsu my queen don't be sad :-(
i feel so bad for her. i would have cried if I were in her position
amogus [#210]Edit: im retarded and i didnt mean to say anything like that. sorry for being like this
Your ignorant af. get a rank first and then comment here
G0D_F4ther-69 [#54]Liquid's new comp actually sucks
Fnatic 3-1 Liquid
But with the OLD Comp they Eliminate Fanatic.
amogus [#210]Edit: im retarded and i didnt mean to say anything like that. sorry for being like this
your name and your edited comment really do match well together
Blazieboy [#84]Dude, my take would be terrible only if Liquid win today. And I am ready to accept I am wrong. If you think it's bait Idk mate. Until then it is better to wait and watch
well?
Breeze presented perfectly, that Killjoy isn't useful on that map, because the bombsites are to big to stall the enemies and the range is not big enough to make killjoy able to do small rotations and give the options to other teammates for big rotations.
Also, Derke is wasted on Sova. Give that man an Op and a dash, judging by the way he used to die, this would have been a key difference maker.
GG.
HLTVtoxic [#242]well?
Yeah I am wrong dude. The fact that they adjusted so much after their game against Vgia really worked in their favour.
Liquid_fan [#23]I'm going to stop trying to guess the scores, I just know that TL WIN , so Unlucky for Fnatic this tourmament, hopefully he recovers for the last chance qualifier, if it were a bo3 maybe they'd have a chance
I really was happy that the whole EMEA region was not shitting on Fnatic and rather sorry that they have no chance to go to berlin. Anyways Liquid played great and I'm proud of them.
AmaterasuVAl [#243]Breeze presented perfectly, that Killjoy isn't useful on that map, because the bombsites are to big to stall the enemies and the range is not big enough to make killjoy able to do small rotations and give the options to other teammates for big rotations.
Also, Derke is wasted on Sova. Give that man an Op and a dash, judging by the way he used to die, this would have been a key difference maker.
GG.
Yes KillJoy is so bad on this map , totaly agree and putting Derke on Sova on an open map like this, jett would be so much better.
Sad for Fnatic but its the game.
vollizie [#215]Nevertheless, it's gotta suck. Bet they really wanted to go to Berlin LAN.
Derke did
Boaster for sure not :)
NotASinner69 [#252]U can watch it on Valorant Vods channel on yt i guess
yes, i saw that, but you have not winner interview and no twich chat :(