We still haven’t had the winners of champs to be the best of that year.
2021: Ascend vs Gambit
2022: Loud vs Optic (Optic overall had the better year though this can be debated)
2023: EG vs FNC
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Champions is a fraudulent Tournament
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that's called shitting on your pants in big games lil bro, you can win all shit but if you shrink in important games then you are overrated ass
all vct seasons are made for winning champs, nobody should care if you win 2 masters, you need to be in the best form in champs
optic was 🤏🤏🤏🤏vs LOUD (except yay, he was goated) in champs
and fraudnatic got hard exposed by champs winner, they are really tiny
SmartPerson [#2]2022 and 2023 not fraudulent
i feel like the level of 2022 teams were higher than 2023 teams, but it doesnt make 2023 champs a fraudulent tournament
hard to say. TBH its not like strats are regressing every year so I'd argue that the level of 2023 teams was higher than 2022
not to say either year was fraudulent though
Loud and EG arguably weren't the best teams on the year but they were the best at those tournaments. ACE is the only fluke run. Would never win anything in literally any other meta.
I think the distinction of champs "counting more" than the other masters in terms of skill is stupid even thought I get it's supposed to build hype all the teams are trying their best at all of these. FNC 2023 > EG 2023 but EG champs 2023 > FNC champs 2023.
SmartPerson [#2]2022 and 2023 not fraudulent
i feel like the level of 2022 teams were higher than 2023 teams, but it doesnt make 2023 champs a fraudulent tournament
I dont think teams got worse over the year. Teams definitely got better at macro. EG’s set plays wouldve dominated 2022 and Loud’s innovation wouldve too. Not to mention FNC firepower is probably the highest we’ve ever seen maybe apart og loud and fnc had a better coach and more innovation than the 2022 loud iteration. Obviously 2022 is not fraud for being earlier into the span of the game i just think people sometimes don't take into perspective how differently the game was played in 2022 compared to the end of 2023.
juugobr_ [#9]LOUD def had a better year than optic in 2022. It was only three international events, very small sanple to put Optic's consistency over a Champions' trophy.
surely 1st, 2nd and 3rd placements is better than 1st, 2nd and 11-12th placements
Nachtel [#6]hard to say. TBH its not like strats are regressing every year so I'd argue that the level of 2023 teams was higher than 2022
not to say either year was fraudulent though
bro
u cant say Acend is fraud either then for 2021
acend won masters 1 eu, kinda fell in m2, came back in m3 for top 6 placement, and won champs
thas not flukey
sentinelmain377 [#19]bro
u cant say Acend is fraud either then for 2021
acend won masters 1 eu, kinda fell in m2, came back in m3 for top 6 placement, and won champsthas not flukey
top 6?
jackb2016 [#21]top 6?
ace>sen
ace>kru
to make em top 5:
u can say > g2
plus acend got comebacked on 12-7 from 100t (unlucky) (couldve gotten top 4 basically man)
chauste [#8]Loud and EG arguably weren't the best teams on the year but they were the best at those tournaments. ACE is the only fluke run. Would never win anything in literally any other meta.
I think the distinction of champs "counting more" than the other masters in terms of skill is stupid even thought I get it's supposed to build hype all the teams are trying their best at all of these. FNC 2023 > EG 2023 but EG champs 2023 > FNC champs 2023.
EG champs 2023 > FNC champs 2023>
Not even, Fnatic has only lost to LOUD and TL in 2023. LOUD is FNC's Kryptonite, unlucky for FNC they played against em twice in Champs. FNC champs would beat EG champs, but not LOUD champs.
ACE is the only fluke run. Would never win anything in literally any other meta.>
And thats the point. Each champs has is different and has a different meta. We saw with Optic 2022 and the chamber meta, Yay was undisputably the best Chamber player. But when Chamber meta fell off, so did he.
Shidoh [#20]nice lil joke
LOUD was the best team of both 2022 and 2023
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bro you are delusional
2022 I could agree with you, but 2023? they're the best just because they beat FNATIC twice on the same tournament? nice joke
sentinelmain377 [#22]ace>sen
ace>kruto make em top 5:
u can say > g2plus acend got comebacked on 12-7 from 100t (unlucky) (couldve gotten top 4 basically man)
well you can argue they were a top 6 team skill wise but they placed top 8, not top 6
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