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WHAT SAADHAK IS COOKING? [ALLAT]

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cioccolat

Ok so this is all reasonable logical speculation and some confirmed factoids, i dont have all the links, anyone who might want to add is welcome.

So, here is what i believe what Saadhak is cooking:

What's Confirmed
He wants a Flexible Team
He wants a different coach
He doesnt want another Aspas

Why did he reject certain Prospects?

GuhRVN
Although he is a bread and butter Controller, he did not shine during The Union's run on Ascension.
He is good as a Controller, but he might not be as good of a teamplayer that saadhak may want, saadhak clearly looks for cooperative playing styles, not individualistic, we can tell by the fact "LOUD Highlights" usually happen when the enemy team plays like bots (walks in one by one) or when the play fell apart and its left for one player to truly solve the round.
Loud constantly plays as a team, trading, midrounding, faking, antistrating, with flashes of individual briliance, but they dont play into the puggy (Play of the Game) style.
GuhRVN also is a Controller ONLY player, and Loud just lost their star duelist. Picking up Guh would mean that Tuyz would be locked into the Duelist role.
Tuyz is a more reserved duelist and this would lock Louds playstyle to a more passive game.

Xand
While Xand has played as both a flex player and a duelist, his agent roles dabbled between Initiator, Duelist and Chamber. We know from his gamestyle that he is a very aggressive player, but another thing that most people seem to overlook is that he was also an IGL for a while, why is this relevant? well, because Xand is Confident, and Confidence left unchecked turns into arrogance. The chances of ideas clashing between Saadhak , Less and Xand are far too high. A frustrating Series could cause a rift worse than Aspas/Less.
LOUD already has two initiator players, a third could cause conflicts since the only person that could switch with Xand if his entry didnt work would be Saadhak himself since Neither Xand nor Saadhak have been shown to play the Controller Role optimally, say what you will about Tuyz, his Ability Usage is great along with his ability timing.
This means Xand would lock the playstyle into more of an agressive one.

Havoc
Havoc falls under a similar predicament to Xand, however he becomes a worse prospect due to his international inexperience and that he would need to be trained INTO the LOUD system, which would mean that Saadhak would need to IGL AND COACH all 4 players at different stages of their progress, Less is becoming an IGL, Tuyz and Cauanzin are only now becoming semi veterans. while Havoc would be the fresh newbie. There is no guarantee he would be able to perform too, since his mental would also need to be trained, a frustrating series to a young player could break their mental for the split or worse the season. with how much Saadhak would have on his plate it would simply not be a good risk to take. Same as Xand, aggressive Style, Havoc would need to be "tamed".

Then why QCK?
QcK has been playing for a long time now and has been to SEVERAL International events, he has played both as a Controller and a Duelist, he has the aim and is aggressive.
However, linking back to that factoid that Saadhak wants a flexible team, we can see what he is planning. Tuyz has a more reserved Playstyle, he is a trader, not an entry, while Qck is a entry and less of a trader.
With Qck, Saadhak can have bothe playstyles he might want with certain comps.
He gets a more group-oriented Duelist AND a more Individal Duelist, while BOTH can play good Controllers.
QcK can play greatly with agressive duelist like Raze and Jett
While Tuyz can play with more mental Duelists like Phoenix and Yoru
all of this without having t5o worry about mental since Qck has already been battle worn, as well as Tuyz.
Loud has gotten more room to cook up meta comps because they know have all agents covered, while before they were restricted to raze and jett they can dabble into Neon, Yoru, Chamber, Phoenix, Sage, and other niche picks that they couldnt before due to Aspas not being comfortable on such agents.

To summarize and > TLDR

QcK and Tuyz can swap roles easily.
Both have strong mentals and international experience.
Saadhak gets an introverted Duelist and an extroverted Duelist
Saadhak gets a cooperative Controller and a individualistic (Clutch) Controller
Saadhak can experiment with more niche picks like Yoru
Saadhak can change up the entire rythim and playstyle with who plays duelist
making opposing teams having to worry about double the comp possibilites for a map.
Loud becomes harder to predict against and antistrat.
The Map pool can be even bigger due to different playstyles.

Saadhak is cooking and im smelling a full on GOURMET BUFFET

#2
brobeans
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not even reading the title of allat

#3
cioccolat
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brobeans [#2]

not even reading the title of allat

i litterally put the ALLAT tag in the title, you knew this would be long, why even comment?

#4
Steelz
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nao é mt dificil entender pq o qck
ele foi qm estava mais preparado no momento certo (pro tryout), o saadhak buscava sim um duelista flexivel mas pelo q ta sendo dito ai pelos leakers o time gostou tanto do tryout com o qck de duelista q resolveram escolher ele

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read allat.

I think it makes sense, but whether or not it works out in practice is yet to be seen.

One might say that in trying to minimize risk for next season, LOUD will at worst become mid and at best become above average, but without taking those risks on star players like Havoc or Askia, it feels less likely that LOUD will ever be great like in previous years.

But i'm open to being proven wrong

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Idk, 2 half baked role swaps ain't really worth it when you could just find better talent and teach them to play differently depending on the situation.

Imo would rather watch saadhak wrangle a cracked talent with no brain (your heats, xand, havoc or the game) than try mesh 2 players who ain't played the roll for a year into some weird rotation that's hella easy to read

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SmartPerson
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muito texto

#8
hunkkz
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Ok

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cioccolat
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PrinceCharming [#6]

Idk, 2 half baked role swaps ain't really worth it when you could just find better talent and teach them to play differently depending on the situation.

Imo would rather watch saadhak wrangle a cracked talent with no brain (your heats, xand, havoc or the game) than try mesh 2 players who ain't played the roll for a year into some weird rotation that's hella easy to read

But here is the thing, Saadhak with the Frod was having too much to do this year, he said it himself, the kids arent perfect yet, he will continue to train them, however, if he picked A braindead duelist he would also need to Tame him while also trainning the rest of the team, he would have too much stuff to do.
Also i dont think it will be easy to read since teams usually have One Comp for every map, by having different duelist playing styles they get Two per map. in short periods of time this will double the amount of prep a team needs tto make, and it will also mean they wont be sure until the agent pick screen.

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cioccolat
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SmartPerson [#7]

muito texto

quando tu gosta do assunto tu consegue escrever um artigo sem nem cansar

#11
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desculpa não li tudo mas vi voce falando sobre o yoru, vi um clipe do qck jogando duo com o cauanzin esses dias e ele estava jogando de phoenix na haven (sabemos que um phoenix bem jogado encaixa na haven), isso deve ter um motivo porque geralmente todo mundo puxa jett e raze na ranked. tomara que a loud fique mais flexível esse ano, porque por mais que eu gosto muito do aspas, ver a loud jogando só de jett e raze não dá, tem que ter mais variedade

#12
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Didn't read all but not having xand is a good idea

#13
cioccolat
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douradoxp [#11]

desculpa não li tudo mas vi voce falando sobre o yoru, vi um clipe do qck jogando duo com o cauanzin esses dias e ele estava jogando de phoenix na haven (sabemos que um phoenix bem jogado encaixa na haven), isso deve ter um motivo porque geralmente todo mundo puxa jett e raze na ranked. tomara que a loud fique mais flexível esse ano, porque por mais que eu gosto muito do aspas, ver a loud jogando só de jett e raze não dá, tem que ter mais variedade

então, tu entendeu certo mesmo, o qck e tuyz trazem uma flexiblidade maior de agentes no aspecto de duelista, e como o qck é mais individual e confiante do que o Tuyz, agentes controladores como Omen podem dar mais lucro na mão dele do que do tuyz

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makes sense, good read

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cioccolat
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KCNTV [#14]

makes sense, good read

thank you! im happy it was engaging to read 😊

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inlucid
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i read allat and agree
i only dislike LOUD kicking frod, i think its difficult to replace someone like him

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cioccolat
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inlucid [#16]

i read allat and agree
i only dislike LOUD kicking frod, i think its difficult to replace someone like him

i agree with that it stings because he is highly qualified
but i think maybe he wasnt working in Louds system due to overreaching.
Saadhak always was the strategical leader behind Loud, and Frod was probably taking up some of that responsibility.

or

Frod was a great strategist for the team, really complemented LOUD, but he wasnt a good Mental coach, maybe due to the language barrier or being a more "professional" person. and since saadhak was able to keep LOUD in the meta in 2022 even though Bzka wasnt stratting for them.
Maybe Saadhak decide they wanted a more encouraging coach, and would leave the strats to Saadhak and Less.

Maybe they really just wanted frod for a year to train the rookies and know their are focusing more on mental

#18
dejikke
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havoc already on furia buddy

#19
Gqviria
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So i read all those things i just wanted to have some insight in some of these arguments.

  1. GuhRVN was a deal ALMOST close but it fell at the end for Qck, so i dont think the problem was him not shining nor Tuyz being to reserve, i think either something happened that we dont know about (Unlikely tbh) or Saadhak just thought of something else and went with it.

  2. I do agree Xand's attitude doesnt go well with Loud workstyle (And tbh i dont See Xand's attitude in any team, personally.) but i just wanted to add that Xand "decision" to say "I wanna play duelist, i wanna play initiator" in the thing that Saadhak worries about.

  3. Havoc, i dont think AT ALL that him being a rookie would affect, Saadhak LITERALLY had to set 2 rookies (Cauanzin and Tuyz) and one of them having a Duelist > Controller roleswap while having to rebuild the team alone without Sacy (Which we know, was one pillar of 22 Loud)

Even with all those arguments, Qck is, for me, the best pickup if done right, he has always had insane potential, flexibility and eagerness to win and i really respect him for saying what he said about the BR scene in Valorant.

Disclaimer: All of these reasons are my personal thoughts and i might be astronomically wrong, so don't take it too seriously.

#20
Cromawarrior48
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allat

#21
cioccolat
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dejikke [#18]

havoc already on furia buddy

i know?.... im listing the reasons why Loud didnt pick him up

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