Aspas > ardiis
Marved > s0m
Saadhak > fns
They should be a champion with those rosters
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masterX [#4]Lost me at s0m > Marved ?
s0m throughout basically the whole season was a top 5 player in Americas
Marved was lowkey mid on Sentinels
eeveeceo [#5]s0m throughout basically the whole season was a top 5 player in Americas
Marved was lowkey mid on Sentinels
He will play for NRG not a f**ing sentinels
masterX [#6]He will play for NRG not a f**ing sentinels
that's not the point, Marved's individual output wasn't great either way
eeveeceo [#7]that's not the point, Marved's individual output wasn't great either way
Cause he was igling and his team was shit(cause of his igling)
mrGoudas [#8]Cause he was igling and his team was shit(cause of his igling)
IGLing isn't an excuse anymore, there are plenty of super solid fraggers that are IGLs as well + he wasn't even micromanaging that much so it shouldn't take away from his production
also, he wasn't great in comparison to the other sentinels players too
eeveeceo [#11]IGLing isn't an excuse anymore, there are plenty of super solid fraggers that are IGLs as well + he wasn't even micromanaging that much so it shouldn't take away from his production
also, he wasn't great in comparison to the other sentinels players too
Whta do you mean? Of course and igling deteriorates the performance of someone...
eeveeceo [#5]s0m throughout basically the whole season was a top 5 player in Americas
Marved was lowkey mid on Sentinels
Marved was not lowkey mid, he came into a team that was falling apart, as an IGL which he had no choice over, yet performed very well winning crucial rounds to make Sentinels recent tournament runs not so embarrassing. I wouldnt know who id rather have, I think even if they both played smokes they still play the role differently, such as Marved being known for his lurks on Omen and Som known for controlling the game on Astra
4ch1p4p4 [#12]Whta do you mean? Of course and igling deteriorates the performance of someone...
I just explained to you why the IGLing role shouldn't have affected him as much
you need to explain just what it is about IGLing which should make your aim worse
rErebus_ [#14]Marved was not lowkey mid, he came into a team that was falling apart, as an IGL which he had no choice over, yet performed very well winning crucial rounds to make Sentinels recent tournament runs not so embarrassing. I wouldnt know who id rather have, I think even if they both played smokes they still play the role differently, such as Marved being known for his lurks on Omen and Som known for controlling the game on Astra
sure, even if we be nice and say Marved was good during LCQ and the end of the season, s0m by far had the better season.
I like Jimmy as much as the next guy but optic d-riders gotta get off his meat and respect the facts when other players have clearly better years
eeveeceo [#15]I just explained to you why the IGLing role shouldn't have affected him as much
you need to explain just what it is about IGLing which should make your aim worse
First of all you didn't even explain to me (you were talking to @mrGoudas).
Now, about the IGLing part:
I'm not even a fan of Marved but I really have to explain you why his very mid performance when playing for SEN was because of him taking the IGL role.
When Marved wasn't igling (because dephh was) his performance was excellent:
- 2nd best player of his team vs LOUD (https://www.vlr.gg/183791/loud-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w4)
- Match MVP vs MIBR (https://www.vlr.gg/183796/mibr-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w4)
- Team MVP vs C9 (https://www.vlr.gg/183803/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w5)
His only bad game was against EG, the current World Champions, who were also in hot form back then.
It was only after he was forced to IGL that his performance worsened. And it wasn't even that bad, he was usually placing in the middle of the scoreboard.
Now to answer your question about the correlation between igling and aiming:
The most important factor of igling that worsens someone's aim is the constant checking of the minimap. The amount of times players aren't focused on their crosshair placement because they are looking at their minimap and as a result they take an unfavored gunfight and they die is absurd (you can probably relate too). And if you say a pro player shouldn't be making these rookie mistakes, I will inform you that improvement comes with experience. And Marved was THE DEFINITION of an inexperienced IGL (it was his first ever time being an IGL and that was in VCT). Other IGLs are much more experienced and therefore they don't make such mistakes, which results in them performing up to their level.
But I would honestly like to hear who are those "super solid fraggers" IGLs you are talking about.
The grand majority of great IGLs are not at all like what you described: FNS, Saadhak, Boaster, Haodong (since you are an EDG fan you should know) and many others are usually bottom-fragging.
The only world class IGL who is both good on his role and a good fragger that comes to my mind is Boostio, but even he was the worst rated member of EG at Champions LA.
PS: I agree with you that s0m looked better than Marved this year, but your IGL argument is just nonsense...
s0m > Marved IMO
Marved had really high peaks last year, but even in Champions 22 he didn't look close as impactful iirc and had pretty mediocre 2023. Sentinels was pretty shit whole season long so can't blame him for everything, but s0m often looked like the best player on NRG and was really impactful for what I remember.
patuj [#22]s0m > Marved IMO
Marved had really high peaks last year, but even in Champions 22 he didn't look close as impactful iirc and had pretty mediocre 2023. Sentinels was pretty shit whole season long so can't blame him for everything, but s0m often looked like the best player on NRG and was really impactful for what I remember.
marved has way more impact with his lurks and timings, s0m might be more consistent but marved is overall the better player
4ch1p4p4 [#19]First of all you didn't even explain to me (you were talking to @mrGoudas).
Now, about the IGLing part:
I'm not even a fan of Marved but I really have to explain you why his very mid performance when playing for SEN was because of him taking the IGL role.When Marved wasn't igling (because dephh was) his performance was excellent:
- 2nd best player of his team vs LOUD (https://www.vlr.gg/183791/loud-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w4)
- Match MVP vs MIBR (https://www.vlr.gg/183796/mibr-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w4)
- Team MVP vs C9 (https://www.vlr.gg/183803/cloud9-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2023-americas-league-w5)
His only bad game was against EG, the current World Champions, who were also in hot form back then.
It was only after he was forced to IGL that his performance worsened. And it wasn't even that bad, he was usually placing in the middle of the scoreboard.
Now to answer your question about the correlation between igling and aiming:
The most important factor of igling that worsens someone's aim is the constant checking of the minimap. The amount of times players aren't focused on their crosshair placement because they are looking at their minimap and as a result they take an unfavored gunfight and they die is absurd (you can probably relate too). And if you say a pro player shouldn't be making these rookie mistakes, I will inform you that improvement comes with experience. And Marved was THE DEFINITION of an inexperienced IGL (it was his first ever time being an IGL and that was in VCT). Other IGLs are much more experienced and therefore they don't make such mistakes, which results in them performing up to their level.But I would honestly like to hear who are those "super solid fraggers" IGLs you are talking about.
The grand majority of great IGLs are not at all like what you described: FNS, Saadhak, Boaster, Haodong (since you are an EDG fan you should know) and many others are usually bottom-fragging.
The only world class IGL who is both good on his role and a good fragger that comes to my mind is Boostio, but even he was the worst rated member of EG at Champions LA.PS: I agree with you that s0m looked better than Marved this year, but your IGL argument is just nonsense...
I did, in fact, read all of that. You by all means bring up so extremely relevant points.
I was primarily referring to Boostio and stax, two players which come to mind as having excellent aim while still having to call for teams with extremely nuanced playbooks. I feel that in general the trend towards IGLs bottom fragging is less necessarily because their aim takes a massive hit when they are calling, but more towards the fact that their raw aim just wasn't necessarily that good in the first place but they were still valuable enough to be on a team because of their gamesense and comms, etc.
I think Marved also did a bit of calling on Optic and Faze, two of his previous teams, and learnt a lot under FNS so I don't think it's very fair to say that he's completely new to the IGL role. Also, from what I remember of Marved's gameplay it was less crosshair placement and more just quite crappy sprays towards the end of the season. He also said himself that he's a more chill IGL, ie. less micromanaging (as I referenced earlier) so I don't think that his fragging should take as much of a hit.
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