Several sources explain that C9 project is paying minimum salaries to all their players. All of C9 players have rejected the offer but Jake, so everyone is out but him. The plan is to give Mce 5 rookies and let him do what he does best while saving as much money as they can. Similar case to 100T, both orgs in financial struggle, don't wanna overspend
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alecksdesk [#2]that org shouldnt be in the league
fuck them
Many orgs in similar situations, there is just no money. Apparently Silicon Valley bank crash affecting them a lot
Flyingcat [#5]So much for that "yay is out because of role problem🤓🤓"
"yea so we actually paid a milly a year for our boy jacob, but we dont wanna build around him cuz fuck that lmao
oh shit, our roles dont match anymore........"
Mortadelo [#6]Many orgs in similar situations, there is just no money. Apparently Silicon Valley bank crash affecting them a lot
c9 shouldnt been in franchising in the first place, got in last second because carlos was a tate fanboy
Chow1E [#9]so mce building guard 2.0
and do you think 100t will stick together with that roaster??
If the players want too much money they will prob be out like in C9, not sure about names or what will happen exactly
alecksdesk [#10]c9 shouldnt been in franchising in the first place, got in last second because carlos was a tate fanboy
ur weird for that vitality and twisten comment bro.
h786 [#12]ur weird for that vitality and twisten comment bro.
whatever makes u feel better at night
i was just thinking the wording on the title was weird
alecksdesk [#13]whatever makes u feel better at night
i was just thinking the wording on the title was weird
whatever makes me feel better? youre the one who made that comment to begin with. you could've kept it to yourself but you decided to post it 🤷♂️
Yistyy [#15]just how low is the minimum salary for them all to leave... I feel like they would still stay on the team unless they got better offers somewhere else
50k a year
runi can get more than that in tier 2, rest of them can get SO MUCH more
alecksdesk [#16]50k a year
runi can get more than that in tier 2, rest of them can get SO MUCH more
source for the 50k a year?
nvm I found it you're right 👍ty
kaninv [#18]source for the 50k a year?
nvm I found it you're right 👍ty
https://www.esports.net/news/valorant/na-valorant-teams-to-cut-spending-for-2024-season-a-shift-towards-sustainability/
https://www.oneesports.gg/valorant/minimum-salary-franchise-teams-vct-2023/
"Valorant is a lucrative game with a lot of international interest. But it may be difficult to justify this level of compensation for players. Starting next year, teams like 100T and C9 could potentially offer players the league minimum salary, currently $50,000 per year for Americans"=
"The minimum salary for players in the Americas League — which includes North America, Brazil, and Latin America — would be around US$50,000"
juugobr_ [#17]Remember when Riot was accepting only stable orgs into the league?
We already know about KOI financial issues and now C9 and 100T might be true as well. Pff
#6 might help explain a bit which happened in march of this year
KOI's issued are also of a different sort, but yes. Don't look it as "Riot chose the wrong orgs, look at it as "If the most financial stable orgs struggle like this imagine, how the other orgs would"
capital_d_colon [#21]i had heard rumours but it seems like it is the case...
Apparently t2 might be more lucrative now because some orgs are building strong rosters because they actually want to ascend.
Yup, Disguised was talking about it, he seems to be right
my hot take:
paying your players minimum salary which is still 50,000 a year is fine imho unless they are consistently making the biggest tournaments of the year and going deep or winning. these players that are making those lower amounts a lot of the time don't makes orgs much money since they aren't championship teams, and if they were then sure I understand 50k being not enough but even then they get champions bundle money (even if 50/50 with org players would be getting 114.5k) and the org probably ups their pay anyways. they also get housing covered most of the time (teamhouses), and travel and food (if they have a chef). paying these players more if they aren't bringing in the $$$$ is unsustainable and why most orgs are in the red besides ones that pay these minimums and sell players. also a lot of these players stream, have youtubes etc anyways and that also makes them money.
capital_d_colon [#21]i had heard rumours but it seems like it is the case...
Apparently t2 might be more lucrative now because some orgs are building strong rosters because they actually want to ascend.
Gotta afford that new AP
juugobr_ [#17]Remember when Riot was accepting only stable orgs into the league?
We already know about KOI financial issues and now C9 and 100T might be true as well. Pff
These mutts invited broke noname orgs like KOI/Heretics that have no pedigree in Esports whatsoever instead of Virtus.Pro, common rito L
h786 [#14]whatever makes me feel better? youre the one who made that comment to begin with. you could've kept it to yourself but you decided to post it 🤷♂️
What did he say
kaninv [#23]my hot take:
paying your players minimum salary which is still 50,000 a year is fine imho unless they are consistently making the biggest tournaments of the year and going deep or winning. these players that are making those lower amounts a lot of the time don't makes orgs much money since they aren't championship teams, and if they were then sure I understand 50k being not enough but even then they get champions bundle money (even if 50/50 with org players would be getting 114.5k) and the org probably ups their pay anyways. they also get housing covered most of the time (teamhouses), and travel and food (if they have a chef). paying these players more if they aren't bringing in the $$$$ is unsustainable and why most orgs are in the red besides ones that pay these minimums and sell players. also a lot of these players stream, have youtubes etc anyways and that also makes them money.
I mean look at EG, they built their roster like a month after everyone else and look at them now
kaninv [#23]my hot take:
paying your players minimum salary which is still 50,000 a year is fine imho unless they are consistently making the biggest tournaments of the year and going deep or winning. these players that are making those lower amounts a lot of the time don't makes orgs much money since they aren't championship teams, and if they were then sure I understand 50k being not enough but even then they get champions bundle money (even if 50/50 with org players would be getting 114.5k) and the org probably ups their pay anyways. they also get housing covered most of the time (teamhouses), and travel and food (if they have a chef). paying these players more if they aren't bringing in the $$$$ is unsustainable and why most orgs are in the red besides ones that pay these minimums and sell players. also a lot of these players stream, have youtubes etc anyways and that also makes them money.
Feels weird to me that I will make more money than all of c9.
Mortadelo [#27]I mean look at EG, they built their roster like a month after everyone else and look at them now
yeah and I bet you they are getting paid significantly more than 50k now because they proved themselves and also they got the bundle money and the money they make from streaming
kaninv [#30]yeah and I bet you they are getting paid significantly more than 50k now because they proved themselves and also they got the bundle money and the money they make from streaming
I mean they probably were getting paid more than 50k, but they could have offered less since no other tier 1 org wanted those players. Demon1 was on a minimum for sure tho. And yes they have made a shit tone of money now and will prob get more bag for next year
LouBag [#28]Feels weird to me that I will make more money than all of c9.
a team that made 0 big tournaments the entire year and all the players made even more $ by streaming on top of their 50k base salary where they don't pay rent or travel or food expenses for a chunk of the year. understandable but there has to be some context
Mortadelo [#31]I mean they probably were getting paid more than 50k, but they could have offered less since no other tier 1 org wanted those players. Demon1 was on a minimum for sure tho. And yes they have made a shit tone of money now and will prob get more bag for next year
yeah and that's how it should be, kinda like what I said in #32
Itsover [#25]These mutts invited broke noname orgs like KOI/Heretics that have no pedigree in Esports whatsoever instead of Virtus.Pro, common rito L
Actually unfathomable that Les Petits Bouffons didn't make franchising
Mortadelo [#22]Yup, Disguised was talking about it, he seems to be right
Though if we factor in housing + prizepools + skin sales
T1 would probably still be better for monetarily for the players.
and that's still not mentioning how VCT would be better exposure for building your own personal brand.
capital_d_colon [#35]Though if we factor in housing + prizepools + skin sales
T1 would probably still be better for monetarily for the players.and that's still not mentioning how VCT would be better exposure for building your own personal brand.
Well the skin sales are only if you're good enough but yes, fair
Mortadelo [#36]Well the skin sales are only if you're good enough but yes, fair
Isn't it the case that team skins will also be released soon? atleast for the original partnered teams
capital_d_colon [#37]Isn't it the case that team skins will also be released soon? atleast for the original partnered teams
That has been rumored for a while, I hope it happens but I wouldn't bet on it
vipermommydomme [#39]What's the source on this? Is there a tweet or something
Nope, info on 2 separate streams from 3 different sources
Mortadelo [#41]Nope, info on 2 separate streams from 3 different sources
Who's streams and what sources
vipermommydomme [#40]I wouldn't take a job for 50k that requires me to relocate, to LA (high cost of living) and work more than 8 hours per day, occasionally on weekends, with occasional travel, in a high pressure to preform environment with virtually no job security.
50K is like scraps in LA, you need a side hustle or something else going on to supplement that.
vipermommydomme [#42]Who's streams and what sources
Lucas Rojo, who coached in NA so knows people, matter of fact coached runi
And Lembo actual reporter who textually said, 2 different sources are confirming me Lucas information and also added #6
vipermommydomme [#40]I wouldn't take a job for 50k that requires me to relocate, to LA (high cost of living) and work more than 8 hours per day, occasionally on weekends, with occasional travel, in a high pressure to preform environment with virtually no job security.
from what I know every org has housing/bootcamp area in LA that they pay for (not the players)
travel paid for by orgs
high pressure and no job security understandable but these people are pros because they love the game and want to compete, those are the risks they are willing to take
yaiima0 [#43]50K is like scraps in LA, you need a side hustle or something else going on to supplement that.
any pro player who takes this deal has to stream and need proper money management. They have other incentives like Champs bundle but who knows when that money rolls around to them.
kaninv [#45]from what I know every org has housing/bootcamp area in LA that they pay for (not the players)
travel paid for by orgs
high pressure and no job security understandable but these people are pros because they love the game and want to compete, those are the risks they are willing to take
50k before taxes even if your housing is covered is scraps in LA, and I mentioned travel not as a cost negative but a job requirement negative.
I love what I do but I wouldn't do it under these circumstances
vipermommydomme [#48]50k before taxes even if your housing is covered is scraps in LA, and I mentioned travel not as a cost negative but a job requirement negative.
I love what I do but I wouldn't do it under these circumstances
almost every player relocates and flies home after bootcamp is over since it's not required to be there anymore
I don't think any of these players live fully in LA unless they make a lot by streaming / CC
it's why you see the players back at their places (cheap areas or with family) off-season and during the season they're at their team house or bootcamp area which is all covered by the org
kaninv [#49]almost every player relocates and flies home after bootcamp is over since it's not required to be there anymore
I don't think any of these players live fully in LA unless they make a lot by streaming / CC
it's why you see the players back at their places (cheap areas or with family) off-season and during the season they're at their team house or bootcamp area which is all covered by the org
Ah, so they have to pay for housing elsewhere. Got it.
vipermommydomme [#50]Ah, so they have to pay for housing elsewhere. Got it.
yeah not in LA where it's way cheaper
they don't need to pay for rent every month, rather rent on off-season and end lease when season starts
even if they do pay for rent all year, they can choose where to live and find a very cheap area (which most do)
kaninv [#52]yeah not in LA where it's way cheaper
they don't need to pay for rent every month, rather rent on off-season and end lease when season starts
even if they do pay for rent all year, they can choose where to live and find a very cheap area (which most do)
"rent on off season and end lease" do you know hard it is to find leases like that? And how awful would it be to have to find new housing every 6-8 months after the season ends while you're playing?
You aren't making that 50k sound more appealing in the slightest.
The only valid point was the passion, which I can get but I wouldn't be passionate for scraps.
My anger is not towards players, but orgs have failed pathetically to monetize the value a pro brings to the team. You should not be getting paid 50k before taxes in a high cost living area and high pressure job when hundreds of thousands of people watch what you do. Period.
vipermommydomme [#53]"rent on off season and end lease" do you know hard it is to find leases like that? And how awful would it be to have to find new housing every 6-8 months after the season ends while you're playing?
You aren't making that 50k sound more appealing in the slightest.
The only valid point was the passion, which I can get but I wouldn't be passionate for scraps.
My anger is not towards players, but orgs have failed pathetically to monetize the value a pro brings to the team. You should not be getting paid 50k before taxes in a high cost living area and high pressure job when hundreds of thousands of people watch what you do. Period.
"rent on off season and end lease" do you know hard it is to find leases like that? And how awful would it be to have to find new housing every 6-8 months after the season ends while you're playing?
not wrong but if it's your passion it's what you have to do considering the landscape currently
The only valid point was the passion, which I can get but I wouldn't be passionate for scraps.
that is you not the players
My anger is not towards players, but orgs have failed pathetically to monetize the value a pro brings to the team. You should not be getting paid 50k before taxes in a high cost living area and high pressure job when hundreds of thousands of people watch what you do. Period.
understandable. these orgs suck at monetizing shit currently and that's why I feel it's necessary for the orgs to pay the minimum because otherwise they'd go out of business. No cool content, videos, promotions, meets, in-person advertising that is meaningful.
kaninv [#54]"rent on off season and end lease" do you know hard it is to find leases like that? And how awful would it be to have to find new housing every 6-8 months after the season ends while you're playing?
not wrong but if it's your passion it's what you have to do considering the landscape currently
The only valid point was the passion, which I can get but I wouldn't be passionate for scraps.
that is you not the players
My anger is not towards players, but orgs have failed pathetically to monetize the value a pro brings to the team. You should not be getting paid 50k before taxes in a high cost living area and high pressure job when hundreds of thousands of people watch what you do. Period.
understandable. these orgs suck at monetizing shit currently and that's why I feel it's necessary for the orgs to pay the minimum because otherwise they'd go out of business. No cool content, videos, promotions, meets, in-person advertising that is meaningful.
That last point is where I disagree. Why should the best players in the world, the ones who provide most of the value, who work their ass off suffer and live off scraps "for the passion"? Why shouldn't we put the pressure on the orgs to pull their heads out of their ass and monetize properly? If you can't pay livable and reasonable wages your business is not viable.
kaninv [#54]"rent on off season and end lease" do you know hard it is to find leases like that? And how awful would it be to have to find new housing every 6-8 months after the season ends while you're playing?
not wrong but if it's your passion it's what you have to do considering the landscape currently
The only valid point was the passion, which I can get but I wouldn't be passionate for scraps.
that is you not the players
My anger is not towards players, but orgs have failed pathetically to monetize the value a pro brings to the team. You should not be getting paid 50k before taxes in a high cost living area and high pressure job when hundreds of thousands of people watch what you do. Period.
understandable. these orgs suck at monetizing shit currently and that's why I feel it's necessary for the orgs to pay the minimum because otherwise they'd go out of business. No cool content, videos, promotions, meets, in-person advertising that is meaningful.
quickly to expand:
these players imho make enough to get bye on minimum but obviously not enough money to live WELL. I agree with what you're saying and no it doesn't sound appealing but unfortunately that is the landscape right now because orgs are treating this as a weird investment rather than a business a lot of the time. They are not monetizing and capitalizing on viewership and views as much as they should be and other sports programs do which is shooting themselves in the foot. Unfortunately this means they need to pay these low salaries sometimes to teams that don't bring in as much viewership because it's necessary for the organization to run and stay afloat, even if it isn't ideal for the players. Hence why I've stated it's understandable why the players declined the offer. All I'm saying is that 50k is still enough to live not that it's ideal.
That last point is where I disagree. Why should the best players in the world, the ones who provide most of the value, who work their ass off suffer and live off scraps "for the passion"? Why shouldn't we put the pressure on the orgs to pull their heads out of their ass and monetize properly? If you can't pay livable and reasonable wages your business is not viable.
They aren't the best players in the world, the best get paid way more. They are being paid the minimum because they made 0 tournaments the entire year. Those players are not living off scraps and they got 114.5k each with a 50/50 split JUST FROM the Champs bundle sales. We should put pressure on the orgs to monetize properly, but until they can it's the unfortunate reality that they HAVE to pay these lower salaries because their business IS NOT viable.
kaninv [#56]quickly to expand:
these players imho make enough to get bye on minimum but obviously not enough money to live WELL. I agree with what you're saying and no it doesn't sound appealing but unfortunately that is the landscape right now because orgs are treating this as a weird investment rather than a business a lot of the time. They are not monetizing and capitalizing on viewership and views as much as they should be and other sports programs do which is shooting themselves in the foot. Unfortunately this means they need to pay these low salaries sometimes to teams that don't bring in as much viewership because it's necessary for the organization to run and stay afloat, even if it isn't ideal for the players. Hence why I've stated it's understandable why the players declined the offer. All I'm saying is that 50k is still enough to live not that it's ideal.That last point is where I disagree. Why should the best players in the world, the ones who provide most of the value, who work their ass off suffer and live off scraps "for the passion"? Why shouldn't we put the pressure on the orgs to pull their heads out of their ass and monetize properly? If you can't pay livable and reasonable wages your business is not viable.
They aren't the best players in the world, the best get paid way more. They are being paid the minimum because they made 0 tournaments the entire year. Those players are not living off scraps and they got 114.5k each with a 50/50 split JUST FROM the Champs bundle sales. We should put pressure on the orgs to monetize properly, but until they can it's the unfortunate reality that they HAVE to pay these lower salaries because their business IS NOT viable.
The C suites are making 2-300k+ though, curious 🤔🤔🤔
kaninv [#58]expand?
Sentinels executive suite (4 people) are getting paid a combined 1Million+ per year for a company that loses 8 million dollars per year. I'm sure it's similar across every other org in the league. What exactly are they getting paid 300k for if they can't convert the value of the labor of their hardworking players into profit? Isn't that their whole job?
But "for the good of the business" players should take minimum salary, it doesn't sit right with me. Ultimately the money for reasonable player salaries is gonna come from our pockets, which it should... But no one is asking me for my money. Not jack, not rob, not matt...
vipermommydomme [#59]Sentinels executive suite (4 people) are getting paid a combined 1Million+ per year for a company that loses 8 million dollars per year. I'm sure it's similar across every other org in the league. What exactly are they getting paid 300k for if they can't convert the value of the labor of their hardworking players into profit? Isn't that their whole job?
But "for the good of the business" players should take minimum salary, it doesn't sit right with me. Ultimately the money for reasonable player salaries is gonna come from our pockets, which it should... But no one is asking me for my money. Not jack, not rob, not matt...
Sentinels executive suite (4 people) are getting paid a combined 1Million+ per year for a company that loses 8 million dollars per year. I'm sure it's similar across every other org in the league. What exactly are they getting paid 300k for if they can't convert the value of the labor of their hardworking players into profit? Isn't that their whole job?
yikes, I was not aware of this information. Agreed the entire point it to turn work into profit and they are doing an awful job of converting that especially compared to traditional sports.
But "for the good of the business" players should take minimum salary, it doesn't sit right with me. Ultimately the money for reasonable player salaries is gonna come from our pockets, which it should... But no one is asking me for my money. Not jack, not rob, not matt...
not for the good of the business, but because it's necessary for the business to stay afloat. similarly, the executive suite should also be making almost no money considering they aren't making any profit.
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