this may be a questionable take, but i was thinking about how leo said that the goal for t2 is purely to just be a scouting league for partnered teams and how each team that wins ascension is only in the vct circuit for 2 years. i need one of those teams to win champs one year so he can realize that no relegation is braindead. like genuinely what would riot do if one of those teams/orgs won champs one year? tell them that oh well you still have to go but sell all your players! stupid system
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i need a ascension team to win champs sometime
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Tbh riots system is killing tier 2, not even sure why orgs are even fielding rosters next year when there is so little benefit and pretty much a guaranteed net loss.
Winning ascension is already extremely difficult and if you lose its a long off season where orgs are obviously gonna pull out. And if they win its only for 2 years no matter how stable the org is
Yistyy [#3]Tbh riots system is killing tier 2, not even sure why orgs are even fielding rosters next year when there is so little benefit and pretty much a guaranteed net loss.
Winning ascension is already extremely difficult and if you lose its a long off season where orgs are obviously gonna pull out. And if they win its only for 2 years no matter how stable the org is
leo faria decision
he know more than u how to sustain tier 2 scene.
Yistyy [#3]Tbh riots system is killing tier 2, not even sure why orgs are even fielding rosters next year when there is so little benefit and pretty much a guaranteed net loss.
Winning ascension is already extremely difficult and if you lose its a long off season where orgs are obviously gonna pull out. And if they win its only for 2 years no matter how stable the org is
the system has in been works for only 2 years
give them some faith and it'll be fleshed out in due time
Emmy_TOF [#5]leo faria decision
he know more than u how to sustain tier 2 scene.
one can hope so for the future, cause leo's leading for the tier 2 system has already led to almost every team that didn't win ascension leaving their respective regions lol
Emmy_TOF [#5]leo faria decision
he know more than u how to sustain tier 2 scene.
What? His handling of the scene was so shit this year that almost every org pulled out in NA besides like mxm and oxg
CoCloudy [#6]the system has in been works for only 2 years
give them some faith and it'll be fleshed out in due time
Yeah, I guess it will only improve with time. It's just this year's formatting was atrocious
Yistyy [#3]Tbh riots system is killing tier 2, not even sure why orgs are even fielding rosters next year when there is so little benefit and pretty much a guaranteed net loss.
Winning ascension is already extremely difficult and if you lose its a long off season where orgs are obviously gonna pull out. And if they win its only for 2 years no matter how stable the org is
not a Leo apologist here, but wtf do you suggest to be a better option
eeveeceo [#10]not a Leo apologist here, but wtf do you suggest to be a better option
For starters, ascension tournament is too early in the year and the off season is way too long, to the point where it's just burning money to keep the rosters fielded.
Also there needs to be a better incentive to go through the grueling depths of challengers just for 2 years of being in the main circuit whilst losing a shit ton of money in the process
Yistyy [#11]For starters, ascension tournament is too early in the year and the off season is way too long, to the point where it's just burning money to keep the rosters fielded.
Also there needs to be a better incentive to go through the grueling depths of challengers just for 2 years of being in the main circuit whilst losing a shit ton of money in the process
you realise that if events in the season are more spaced out, resulting in a shorter season which a lot of people want, the revenue that orgs are going to receive is not going to be better right
the vast majority of the revenue they get is from the teams actually competing, if they compete in the same amount of matches or whatever over a long period instead of a shorter one the revenue they get is basically the same
you're going to be burning money to keep the rosters fielded either way
what's a better incentive that you reckon should be provided for winning ascension
eeveeceo [#12]you realise that if events in the season are more spaced out, resulting in a shorter season which a lot of people want, the revenue that orgs are going to receive is not going to be better right
the vast majority of the revenue they get is from the teams actually competing, if they compete in the same amount of matches or whatever over a long period instead of a shorter one the revenue they get is basically the same
you're going to be burning money to keep the rosters fielded either way
what's a better incentive that you reckon should be provided for winning ascension
just make off SEASON Q4 third party event
T1 free time 3 month for nothing
Emmy_TOF [#13]just make off SEASON Q4 third party event
T1 free time 3 month for nothing
then why are people shitting on riot for not installing a third party event 😭
that's literally the definition of 3rd party
oh my god, this argument is so dumb. Its not about how well the org does its about how safe they are financially. That's what's important in eSports rn. With how unstable the sport organizations, especially like the Guard, could collapse at any moment. There are always gonna be bad teams, its impossible for every team to be good. When a team is bad in the NBA no one wants to relegate them and replace them with a minor league team because thats absurd. Leo knows that the Ascension teams can win Champions or something but that doesnt change anything, its not about skill level its about keeping the sport alive for as long as possible. Plus KRU showed why relegation is stupid, teams can have bad seasons then show up and play well anyway the next event. Another massive problem is representation. This is a problem, especially in Pacific where there is only one team representing each minor region. If Team Secret got relegated there would be 0 Phillpines representation which would be bad for the game and for viewership. It would also seriously hurt the scene in the Phillpines
eeveeceo [#14]then why are people shitting on riot for not installing a third party event 😭
that's literally the definition of 3rd party
riot permission
B1itz [#15]oh my god, this argument is so dumb. Its not about how well the org does its about how safe they are financially. That's what's important in eSports rn. With how unstable the sport organizations, especially like the Guard, could collapse at any moment. There are always gonna be bad teams, its impossible for every team to be good. When a team is bad in the NBA no one wants to relegate them and replace them with a minor league team because thats absurd. Leo knows that the Ascension teams can win Champions or something but that doesnt change anything, its not about skill level its about keeping the sport alive for as long as possible. Plus KRU showed why relegation is stupid, teams can have bad seasons then show up and play well anyway the next event. Another massive problem is representation. This is a problem, especially in Pacific where there is only one team representing each minor region. If Team Secret got relegated there would be 0 Phillpines representation which would be bad for the game and for viewership. It would also seriously hurt the scene in the Phillpines
yeah regulation would not make sense with what riot are going for
i think the problem is not enough teams, i think 16 each is best (16 emea, 16 americas, 16 pacific)
after a few years the formatting should be perfect as they are just trying what works and what doesn't right now
Emmy_TOF [#16]riot permission
anybody say that Riot didn't give permission??? it's cause no big event really has the revenue to host a full scale valorant tourney yet without a bunch of gambling sponsors
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