The jett, fade, gekko, kj, omen, skye, viper, astra changes are all good. I dont understand the breach, sova and brim changes but wtv
Edit: read sova nerfs wrong
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TheLoque [#2]The first agent with 9-points ult
Crazy but múltiple agents got it so it kinda balances out. Plus viper needed a nerf
moatz [#3]they aren't even balancing though. they just basically made a bunch of agents worse
Tats exactly wat balancing is
Okami_J [#6]Crazy but múltiple agents got it so it kinda balances out. Plus viper needed a nerf
viper did not need a nerf
jett nerf was way too harsh (but im a jett main)
bronze opinion
jawn [#4]the viper changes are NOT good, they have been nerfing her for 2 years straight and now she's practically unplayable as a solo controller
The issue with viper is the fact she occupies a weird niche role.
She's not good as a solo controller but when she is coupled with another controller the power of using her walls to deny information and create lurks is strong.
Okami_J [#9]Still one of the Top peformers and one of the best duelist. With breeze coming back and new map this will lower jetts pickrate to allow other agents to be played
? raze is literally the meta over jett on most maps and they didnt touch her
bobkiller [#11]viper did not need a nerf
jett nerf was way too harsh (but im a jett main)
bronze opinion
She def did. She outperformed the other controllers by a mile. Appreciate ur thoughts tho
CarnageBTC [#7]changes : jett good,fade okay,gekko good,kj fine, omen (no idea what that means), skye good, sova bad, astra busted ult, breach stupid nerf, brim okay
Omens flash doesn’t change its speed if you’re moving backward , forward, or standing still. It is now a constant speed
Okami_J [#10]Tats exactly wat balancing is
No. Balancing is buffing some and nerfing others to find an equal footing
This is just them nerfing everything
siphonval [#18]I promise you they are not making these changes with your ranked games in mind
i played league before this, trust me i know
Okami_J [#9]Still one of the Top peformers and one of the best duelist. With breeze coming back and new map this will lower jetts pickrate to allow other agents to be played
should've buffed others duelist jett was perfectly balanced
Okami_J [#15]She def did. She outperformed the other controllers by a mile. Appreciate ur thoughts tho
? bro what she did not outperform the other controllers idk if we're watchign the same game
viper already got nerfed pretty hard before this + shes not good as solo controller except on breeze thats why theres a harbor viper comp to combo viper util
tldr she needs other controllers to work
siphonval [#17]On twitter everyones crying but these changes make more sense, so many complaints of too much clutter on screen and somewhat "unnecessary" utility. Does Jett really need a SECOND updraft? Maybe her smoke duration will cause complains but I genuinely don't see a single change I think is bad.
Agree cept breach brim sova make no sense. Maybe they wanted to raise the standard so tats y brim and breach are 9 ult pts but idk
Okami_J [#19]Shes always been unplayable as a solo controller but she beats the others by miles
nah she used to be unrivaled in the controller AND sentinel role
33AJ [#23]should've buffed others duelist jett was perfectly balanced
Lol jett was not balanced. Also how would they have buffed other agents? Theyve done alot already but those agents have trash kits
siphonval [#17]On twitter everyones crying but these changes make more sense, so many complaints of too much clutter on screen and somewhat "unnecessary" utility. Does Jett really need a SECOND updraft? Maybe her smoke duration will cause complains but I genuinely don't see a single change I think is bad.
ok ur on crack
jett is dead now 2 second smoke like wtf is that gonna do useless ability now
2 updrafts kills mobility (and a lot of fun tech) - which is her whole kit
dash is also nerfed by 5seconds
jawn [#26]nah she used to be unrivaled in the controller AND sentinel role
The only map u ever played her solo was icebox and breeze
moatz [#20]No. Balancing is buffing some and nerfing others to find an equal footing
This is just them nerfing everything
Not true some agents got buffs and some got nerfs. They dont have to match every nerf with a buff
siphonval [#17]On twitter everyones crying but these changes make more sense, so many complaints of too much clutter on screen and somewhat "unnecessary" utility. Does Jett really need a SECOND updraft? Maybe her smoke duration will cause complains but I genuinely don't see a single change I think is bad.
its the smoke and updrafts. You can't really be creative with them anymore and it limits the amount of plays jett can do. The smoke changes are not that bad but this makes jett a lot worse in mid elo I imagine as since the smokes disapears so fast now what's the point of even doing things like making a one way with jett smoke and even dashing into a jett smoke to entry will be much harder
moatz [#20]No. Balancing is buffing some and nerfing others to find an equal footing
This is just them nerfing everything
not even a deadlock buff when she has 0% pickrate lmao
jawn [#32]not in ranked
Yes in ranked and in proplay. Also riots focus isnt ranked cuz if it was then reyna wouldve been nerfed
LimiNaL [#16]Omens flash doesn’t change its speed if you’re moving backward , forward, or standing still. It is now a constant speed
ah i get it now, thanks
bobkiller [#28]ok ur on crack
jett is dead now 2 second smoke like wtf is that gonna do useless ability now
2 updrafts kills mobility (and a lot of fun tech) - which is her whole kit
dash is also nerfed by 5seconds
Then consider that maybe if they want the upcoming duelist to not be shit, Jett has to be slightly worse so there is variation on dead maps like Haven, Ascent, Breeze where Jett is instant pick
Zerphyr1 [#31]its the smoke and updrafts. You can't really be creative with them anymore and it limits the amount of plays jett can do. The smoke changes are not that bad but this makes jett a lot worse in mid elo I imagine as since the smokes disapears so fast now what's the point of even doing things like making a one way with jett smoke and even dashing into a jett smoke to entry will be much harder
I think her kit was way too strong. She can do too many things and hopefully the new duelist rivals that so we don't see the same boring comps again and again
siphonval [#38]Then consider that maybe if they want the upcoming duelist to not be shit, Jett has to be slightly worse so there is variation on dead maps like Haven, Ascent, Breeze where Jett is instant pick
not instant pick anymore thats old meta
a lot of raze haven comps
ascent meta is stale i agree but why kay/o not touched or kj also some goofy reyna comps
we dont know about new breeze
also jett isnt even that meta anymore raze is better now
Okami_J [#15]She def did. She outperformed the other controllers by a mile. Appreciate ur thoughts tho
This, as well as the last Viper nerf haven't addressed the issues that make her so strong in pro play. If they want to do something about the double smokes or Viper/xxx comps in pro play, there needs to be a global nerf to smoke agents or something. All the recent Viper changes have done is make her less and less viable in ranked play as a solo controller, especially with the map pool in recent months.
bobkiller [#24]? bro what she did not outperform the other controllers idk if we're watchign the same game
viper already got nerfed pretty hard before this + shes not good as solo controller except on breeze thats why theres a harbor viper comp to combo viper util
tldr she needs other controllers to work
She does but with other controllers shes insane. Shes S tier for a reason
Trevor31lv [#41]This, as well as the last Viper nerf haven't addressed the issues that make her so strong in pro play. If they want to do something about the double smokes or Viper/xxx comps in pro play, there needs to be a global nerf to smoke agents or something. All the recent Viper changes have done is make her less and less viable in ranked play as a solo controller, especially with the map pool in recent months.
Ult point increase will do absolutely nothing to her pick rate. You have to remember how often she was picked BEFORE her global toxin gas nerf. What makes her strong is the ability to combo sky Intel as well as another controller to compliment space taking ability. Having to farm an extra orb or play around the fact that her Pit won’t be as easy to get won’t change her neutral game at all. She will still be a must pick in this map pool, especially with breeze coming back.
Okami_J [#42]She does but with other controllers shes insane. Shes S tier for a reason
her ult wasnt even the reason she's S tier
mrGoudas [#44]her ult wasnt even the reason she's S tier
True but that will help lower her pickrate
bobkiller [#40]not instant pick anymore thats old meta
a lot of raze haven comps
ascent meta is stale i agree but why kay/o not touched or kj also some goofy reyna comps
we dont know about new breeze
also jett isnt even that meta anymore raze is better now
ascent meta is not agent problem, its map problem.
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