Does anyone prefer franchising over open qualifiers? If you do tell me why
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Yistyy [#4]fuck franchising, without the stupid roster lock, yay would be absolutely destroying everyone this year including fnatic
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Yistyy [#4]fuck franchising, without the stupid roster lock, yay would be absolutely destroying everyone this year including fnatic
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Yistyy [#4]fuck franchising, without the stupid roster lock, yay would be absolutely destroying everyone this year including fnatic
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Yistyy [#4]fuck franchising, without the stupid roster lock, yay would be absolutely destroying everyone this year including fnatic
I dont like franchising either but yay couldnt destroy MAD Lions bro
kimble [#11]I dont like franchising either but yay couldnt destroy MAD Lions bro
One star player can’t carry an entire shit team. Derke would get stomped too if he was on DSG
PRX_JINGGG_LOVER [#12]One star player can’t carry an entire shit team. Derke would get stomped too if he was on DSG
they will never understand
KanyeAsada [#14]Unpopular opinion, but franchising will be good in the long run. It’ll just have a few years of growing pains
If they added relegation though the league would be perfect
KanyeAsada [#14]Unpopular opinion, but franchising will be good in the long run. It’ll just have a few years of growing pains
dk man, its just boring to me to know that the same teams are gonna be competing all the time and there are going to be no wildcards.
Also the open qualifier format is so much more exciting
kimble [#11]I dont like franchising either but yay couldnt destroy MAD Lions bro
any eu player you want, put em on dsg, they still will be dogshit
Yistyy [#4]fuck franchising, without the stupid roster lock, yay would be absolutely destroying everyone this year including fnatic
Cope harder Yay is ass
widepeepofrosty [#19]any eu player you want, put em on dsg, they still will be dogshit
Sayf would destroy na tier 2 lmao
Open circuit like in CS is far better. You have a ton of different organizers jockeying against each other with different production styles and commentators and the best ones prevail, and the seasons are packed with opportunities to compete for teams outside of franchising. Meanwhile, Riot was running their goofy ass cyber-cringe production style for ages, they pushed out Sean gares and DDK from commentary for some reason, their off-seasons are disasters running the T2 org scene to the ground, and franchise locks keep shitters and regretful roster moves trapped for an entire year. Theoretically Riot can suddenly do great but there aren't as much selective pressures to really improve when Riot is withholding the right to big scale events for themselves. Worst case scenario in open circuit is just getting ran by Saudi blood money, but does it really make a difference since Riot is in bed with China?
widepeepofrosty [#19]any eu player you want, put em on dsg, they still will be dogshit
Something had way worse teamates
I think franchising is perfectly fine, the only real problem is the long off season, but wtf does franchising have to do with that, that’s just poor planning. Same with tier 2, franchising is not the issue, it’s the circuit
People just uses franchising to as an excuse to blame on all of Valorant problems, when in reality franchising is the only thing giving some stability to this game which as you guys know are going through a a crisis due to the esports bubble exploding. The amount of huge orgs financially unstable is insane, franchising is a great way to give those orgs a guarantee when they invest
KyLZi [#27]Its fine. People saying its really bad are overreacting, the vlr special. I prefer an open circuit but partnership is fine as long as T2 doesn't die.
Here's the thing though, t2 is dying
Mortadelo [#32]I think franchising is perfectly fine, the only real problem is the long off season, but wtf does franchising have to do with that, that’s just poor planning. Same with tier 2, franchising is not the issue, it’s the circuit
People just uses franchising to as an excuse to blame on all of Valorant problems, when in reality franchising is the only thing giving some stability to this game which as you guys know are going through a a crisis due to the esports bubble exploding. The amount of huge orgs financially unstable is insane, franchising is a great way to give those orgs a guarantee when they invest
I am talking from a viewers perspective more than the orgs and riots.
Open circuits are just a more enjoyable watch imo.
It's not the end of the world
Ideally I would've preferred less partnership slots to allow more room for promotion of non-partnered teams. (Maybe 6 partnered teams in a 12 team league)
Most of the issues currently stem from how riot are handling the t2 scene, scheduling , commitment and honestly the way they perceive the scene.
JJfriends [#33]Here's the thing though, t2 is dying
dying is not dead. as long as it gets better and not worse it's okay.
widepeepofrosty [#31]na harder than japan
1st I would like to see Scarz play MAD Lions and see how big that difference actually is
2nd Dropping 138 is also harder than 27
capital_d_colon [#35]It's not the end of the world
Ideally I would've preferred less partnership slots to allow more room for promotion of non-partnered teams. (Maybe 6 partnered teams in a 12 team league)
Most of the issues currently stem from how riot are handling the t2 scene, scheduling , commitment and honestly the way they perceive the scene.
exactly
TrialRunnr [#34]I am talking from a viewers perspective more than the orgs and riots.
Open circuits are just a more enjoyable watch imo.
There is no viewer perspective without an org perspective. if there's no orgs there's no scene
capital_d_colon [#35]It's not the end of the world
Ideally I would've preferred less partnership slots to allow more room for promotion of non-partnered teams. (Maybe 6 partnered teams in a 12 team league)
Most of the issues currently stem from how riot are handling the t2 scene, scheduling , commitment and honestly the way they perceive the scene.
There is gonna be 4 non partnered in a 14 team league which is not that far away from those 6
CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#10]Thanks to franchising fnatic was competent enough to get actually good players
Also no guild = best player itw free agent (talking about russ)
i don't think franchising had anything to do with fnatics roster. They already had alfajer, derke, boaster and leo after champs but before franchising was announced and then they picked up chronicle who didn't even have a team after gambit disbanded before champs.
Mortadelo [#39]There is no viewer perspective without an org perspective. if there's no orgs there's no scene
but something like small orgs like acend winning champs will probably never happen again. for me open qualifiers are way more entertaining to watch
Mortadelo [#39]There is no viewer perspective without an org perspective. if there's no orgs there's no scene
bruh why is it so hard for you to separate it? its really not thar deep, I just want to know what people find more enjoyable
Liem [#42]but something like small orgs like acend winning champs will probably never happen again. for me open qualifiers are way more entertaining to watch
Why would you want Acend to win if you can have TL win. It's just better for the scene, and yes also for the viewers very few people rooted for Acend
TrialRunnr [#43]bruh why is it so hard for you to separate it? its really not thar deep, I just want to know what people find more enjoyable
I just don't think it's a fair comparison, that's it. But it's alright
Partnership is not that bad, biggest problem is with the main schedule and the ascension schedule. People claim things like these bad teams will get to keep being bad in the league even though this is a partnership and not a franchise. If teams and orgs are doing a bad job riot literally is in a position to do something supposedly will do something if theres an issue. Just people whining over first year problems.
babi [#44]Is optic that bad of an org that they didn't get into franchising?
Riot and Optic have had relations :(
KanyeAsada [#15]If they added relegation though the league would be perfect
They will never approve of relegation
Mortadelo [#45]Why would you want Acend to win if you can have TL win. It's just better for the scene, and yes also for the viewers very few people rooted for Acend
i just like when underdogs or smaller orgs also win something. kinda boring when fnatic or liquid will win the next 5 emea seasons
Mortadelo [#30]Something had way worse teamates
no way you think vici or fisker are worse than genghsta steel nerve or exalt, i agree with you sometimes but this take aint it
also you cant compare something which hasnt got a 20 bomb in all this champions to yay who got 60 and 70 bombs on plenty bo3´s with +20 kd against a lot of competitive teams on international turneys and got first on rating (mvp of masters berlin) at his first ever LAN tourney https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/466/valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin
CryoZanderDerrekEnjoyer [#10]Thanks to franchising fnatic was competent enough to get actually good players
Also no guild = best player itw free agent (talking about russ)
the duality of franchising
there's a team that went all out to build an allstar team
while there's a team that just did bare minimum
Liem [#51]i just like when underdogs or smaller orgs also win something. kinda boring when fnatic or liquid will win the next 5 emea seasons
Last years "Ascension" winner is currently our second best team
koromast [#52]no way you think vici or fisker are worse than genghsta steel nerve or exalt, i agree with you sometimes but this take aint it
also you cant compare something which hasnt got a 20 bomb in all this champions to yay who got 60 and 70 bombs on plenty bo3´s with +20 kd against a lot of competitive teams on international turneys and got first on rating (mvp of masters berlin) at his first ever LAN tourney https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/466/valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin
Idk what Fisker you remember but trust me I've watched all of the Japan league and he is absolute garbage and so were the other 2 Japanese on the roster. Yes 100% worse than Genghsta, nerve and exalt
And yes, exactly, yay was way better in international than something ever has (even tho he is kinda new), yet look how much he has struggled. I'm sorry it's just not justifiable, yes many tier 1 in yay's position would have done way better (Fucking Narrate averages 250 ACS)
Mortadelo [#57]Idk what Fisker you remember but trust me I've watched all of the Japan league and he is absolute garbage and so were the other 2 Japanese on the roster. Yes 100% worse than Genghsta, nerve and exalt
And yes, exactly, yay was way better in international than something ever has (even tho he is kinda new), yet look how much he has struggled. I'm sorry it's just not justifiable, yes many tier 1 in yay's position would have done way better (Fucking Narrate averages 250 ACS)
k, something would drop 135 on na vcl if he had genghsta and exalt instead of vici and fisker, surely mate
PRX_JINGGG_LOVER [#12]One star player can’t carry an entire shit team. Derke would get stomped too if he was on DSG
cope derke was destroying on crowcrowd
Zoil [#25]Open circuit like in CS is far better. You have a ton of different organizers jockeying against each other with different production styles and commentators and the best ones prevail, and the seasons are packed with opportunities to compete for teams outside of franchising. Meanwhile, Riot was running their goofy ass cyber-cringe production style for ages, they pushed out Sean gares and DDK from commentary for some reason, their off-seasons are disasters running the T2 org scene to the ground, and franchise locks keep shitters and regretful roster moves trapped for an entire year. Theoretically Riot can suddenly do great but there aren't as much selective pressures to really improve when Riot is withholding the right to big scale events for themselves. Worst case scenario in open circuit is just getting ran by Saudi blood money, but does it really make a difference since Riot is in bed with China?
you do realize that everything in cs apart from majors is based on a franchising/partnership system right? Big circuits like BLAST etc
Mortadelo [#56]Last years "Ascension" winner is currently our second best team
and they still will never be #1 in emea. bc the big orgs will just buy their players if they perform amazing
Okoretro [#60]cope derke was destroying on crowcrowd
You do realize where's derke with mystic and magnum right?
Okoretro [#61]you do realize that everything in cs apart from majors is based on a franchising/partnership system right? Big circuits like BLAST etc
I just mean franchising in the colloquial sense everyone seems to use it, which is like 1 entity practically controlling the esport and living and dying off that. I might be wrong now but last I checked in cs, you aren't really barred from competing in other shit simultaneously online and there's a ton of competition and overlapping. Otherwise the debate becomes "should esports have profit share leagues?" which is a boring "sure, who gives a fuck." It only gets fucky when it's 1 corp driving the ecosystem.
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