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#1
mysterii

if u had to make a top 20 for the 2023 VCT (like HLTV)
what would yours be?

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LyCan52
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yay

#3
mayonnaise_on_escalator
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If fnatic win once again and alfajer becomes top kd he deserves to be the #1, you can't make a list before champions sadly

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  1. Leo
  2. Alfa
  3. Chronicle
  4. aspas
  5. Jinggg
  6. MaKo
  7. Derke
  8. Less
  9. d4v41
  10. f0rsakeN
  11. Ethan
  12. Shao
  13. Boostio
  14. Demon1
  15. s0m
  16. Sayf
  17. Jawgemo
  18. Something
  19. Boaster
  20. Kangkang

HMs: BuZz, rb, xeta, suygetsu, nAts, FNS, crashies, victor, c0m, mindfreak

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mysterii
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The_Cleg [#4]
  1. Leo
  2. Alfa
  3. Chronicle
  4. aspas
  5. Jinggg
  6. MaKo
  7. Derke
  8. Less
  9. d4v41
  10. f0rsakeN
  11. Ethan
  12. Shao
  13. Boostio
  14. Demon1
  15. s0m
  16. Sayf
  17. Jawgemo
  18. Something
  19. Boaster
  20. Kangkang

HMs: BuZz, rb, xeta, suygetsu, nAts, FNS, crashies, victor, c0m, mindfreak

would you really put aspas that high after his performance at masters?

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mysterii [#5]

would you really put aspas that high after his performance at masters?

He didn't play bad at masters lol, loud did. Look at his stats compared to other loud's players, he was hard carrying.

Also, Jingg didn't perform at lock//in, MaKo on masters, Ethan in lock//in etc. Not many people were consistent in both titles we had this year

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queueK
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The_Cleg [#4]
  1. Leo
  2. Alfa
  3. Chronicle
  4. aspas
  5. Jinggg
  6. MaKo
  7. Derke
  8. Less
  9. d4v41
  10. f0rsakeN
  11. Ethan
  12. Shao
  13. Boostio
  14. Demon1
  15. s0m
  16. Sayf
  17. Jawgemo
  18. Something
  19. Boaster
  20. Kangkang

HMs: BuZz, rb, xeta, suygetsu, nAts, FNS, crashies, victor, c0m, mindfreak

ethan too high (and there's two of him)
something too low
s0m shouldn't be there
kangkang should be there
mako should be there

#8
Propenko
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The_Cleg [#4]
  1. Leo
  2. Alfa
  3. Chronicle
  4. aspas
  5. Jinggg
  6. MaKo
  7. Derke
  8. Less
  9. d4v41
  10. f0rsakeN
  11. Ethan
  12. Shao
  13. Boostio
  14. Demon1
  15. s0m
  16. Sayf
  17. Jawgemo
  18. Something
  19. Boaster
  20. Kangkang

HMs: BuZz, rb, xeta, suygetsu, nAts, FNS, crashies, victor, c0m, mindfreak

where is mindfreak ??

#9
LyCan52
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Propenko [#8]

where is mindfreak ??

blud forgor he exists kkkkk

#10
The_Cleg
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Propenko [#8]

where is mindfreak ??

Forgot him, probably not top 20 but incredibly close

#11
The_Cleg
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queueK [#7]

ethan too high (and there's two of him)
something too low
s0m shouldn't be there
kangkang should be there
mako should be there

Ethan top ~10 is fine with me
Something only played a regional league
s0m should be there, his team was the only consistent team in both lock//in and Tokyo (besides FNATIC ofc) and he was the best player for the team
Added kangkang
Mako is top 6

#12
diswaco
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The_Cleg [#10]

Forgot him, probably not top 20 but incredibly close

objectively mindfreak > s0m

#13
QaWzy
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The_Cleg [#4]
  1. Leo
  2. Alfa
  3. Chronicle
  4. aspas
  5. Jinggg
  6. MaKo
  7. Derke
  8. Less
  9. d4v41
  10. f0rsakeN
  11. Ethan
  12. Shao
  13. Boostio
  14. Demon1
  15. s0m
  16. Sayf
  17. Jawgemo
  18. Something
  19. Boaster
  20. Kangkang

HMs: BuZz, rb, xeta, suygetsu, nAts, FNS, crashies, victor, c0m, mindfreak

I think eg players r rated too low considering that they did place 2nd at tokyo they should at least have some in top 10, Personally I would swap ethan and less and aspas and derke

#14
Krivix
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diswaco [#12]

objectively mindfreak > s0m

do not ever disrespect my pookie wookie bear sammy like that

#15
The_Cleg
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QaWzy [#13]

I think eg players r rated too low considering that they did place 2nd at tokyo they should at least have some in top 10, Personally I would swap ethan and less and aspas and derke

Well they only played 1½ tournaments well across the 3 tournaments we had this year (lock//in, leagues, master/LCQ), while other teams (and players) were more consistent (loud, drx etc) and also it's hard to attribute all the success just to one player so it's more spread out and as a consequence they are all lower.

As champs will finish though, I'm sure they'll have 1 or 2 players in the top 10

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diswaco [#12]

objectively mindfreak > s0m

Objectively s0m's team performed better than mindfreak's team in lock//in and were almost equal to mindfreak's in Tokyo.

In VCT americas s0m was one of the best players while mindfreak was just very good (in PAC).

Also mindfreak was the worst player for PRX in lock//in and VCT pacific and 2nd worst in Tokyo for his team, while s0m was 2nd best in lock//in and best in Tokyo (by a mile).

Also s0m statistics own mindfreak's fr.

After champs if NRG disappoints this could change

#17
diswaco
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The_Cleg [#16]

Objectively s0m's team performed better than mindfreak's team in lock//in and were almost equal to mindfreak's in Tokyo.

In VCT americas s0m was one of the best players while mindfreak was just very good (in PAC).

Also mindfreak was the worst player for PRX in lock//in and VCT pacific and 2nd worst in Tokyo for his team, while s0m was 2nd best in lock//in and best in Tokyo (by a mile).

Also s0m statistics own mindfreak's fr.

After champs if NRG disappoints this could change

"s0ms statistics own mindfreaks fr" mindfreak is the second highest rated player in the tourney rn after playing against kru and edg, 2 tough opponents. s0m played against blg and look where he is now

#18
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diswaco [#17]

"s0ms statistics own mindfreaks fr" mindfreak is the second highest rated player in the tourney rn after playing against kru and edg, 2 tough opponents. s0m played against blg and look where he is now

Bro is really basing an argument for the whole 2023 only on 3 games

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Alex_From_Texas
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diswaco [#17]

"s0ms statistics own mindfreaks fr" mindfreak is the second highest rated player in the tourney rn after playing against kru and edg, 2 tough opponents. s0m played against blg and look where he is now

blud talking about stats after 2 games, this is top players 2023 not top players in champs

#20
The_Cleg
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Alex_From_Texas [#19]

blud talking about stats after 2 games, this is top players 2023 not top players in champs

Thanks

#21
catmeister
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  1. Alfajer
  2. Leo
  3. Chronicle
  4. Jinggg
  5. Derke
  6. MaKo
  7. aspas
  8. f0rsakeN
  9. Less
  10. Ethan
  11. something
  12. Boostio
  13. d4v41
  14. ZmjjKK
  15. mindfreak
  16. s0m
  17. jawgemo
  18. Demon1
  19. Sayf
  20. Rb
#22
unknown_trash
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The_Cleg [#6]

He didn't play bad at masters lol, loud did. Look at his stats compared to other loud's players, he was hard carrying.

Also, Jingg didn't perform at lock//in, MaKo on masters, Ethan in lock//in etc. Not many people were consistent in both titles we had this year

But there were definitely players who were good at locking and during the regular season and now at champions, but didn't perform at tokyo. Although yes aspas has been consistent at every point in the year.

#23
cholikarr
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mysterii [#5]

would you really put aspas that high after his performance at masters?

His team got destroyed in both games and he still statistically was 3rd in acs

#24
diswaco
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catmeister [#21]
  1. Alfajer
  2. Leo
  3. Chronicle
  4. Jinggg
  5. Derke
  6. MaKo
  7. aspas
  8. f0rsakeN
  9. Less
  10. Ethan
  11. something
  12. Boostio
  13. d4v41
  14. ZmjjKK
  15. mindfreak
  16. s0m
  17. jawgemo
  18. Demon1
  19. Sayf
  20. Rb

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