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Lmao, history is about to repeat itself.
"No matter what, they are going to be behind a year forever." - Doublelift 2012 on korea
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"CN will never be better than NA" - Boostio
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babysasuke [#2]2 GOATs spitting facts
Korea only got good at LoL because Doublelift let them
just like how na will only be good if boaster stops twerking
Art1st [#3]just like how na will only be good if boaster stops twerking
Boaster embarrassed EMEA internationally for 2 whole years while twerking
9 roster iterations later they finally found the right players to carry him
Twerking is not correlative to Boasters performance, and has NOTHING to do with NA dogwalking that boosted fraud
oml Fnatic doesn't make another semifinals until they get a real coach and IGL
babysasuke [#4]Boaster embarrassed EMEA internationally for 2 whole years while twerking
9 roster iterations later they finally found the right players to carry him
Twerking is not correlative to Boasters performance, and has NOTHING to do with NA dogwalking that boosted fraud
oml Fnatic doesn't make another semifinals until they get a real coach and IGL
you’re just mad he has the avengers around him and he can twerk in peace and win trophies 🙏🙏
babysasuke [#4]Boaster embarrassed EMEA internationally for 2 whole years while twerking
9 roster iterations later they finally found the right players to carry him
Twerking is not correlative to Boasters performance, and has NOTHING to do with NA dogwalking that boosted fraud
oml Fnatic doesn't make another semifinals until they get a real coach and IGL
Does that mean you will game end yourself if they reach semis in champs?
Art1st [#5]you’re just mad he has the avengers around him and he can twerk in peace and win trophies 🙏🙏
Only 2 players on Fnatic that belong in Tier 1 are Chronicle and Alfajer 🙏🙏
Swap in mocking and Rawkus for b0tster and m0ni and Fnatic improves
hekzy [#7]Does that mean you will game end yourself if they reach semis in champs?
idk, maybe if you tell me to I'll consider it
is that what you want?
babysasuke [#9]Only 2 players on Fnatic that belong in Tier 1 are Chronicle and Alfajer 🙏🙏
Swap in mocking and Rawkus for b0tster and m0ni and Fnatic improves
leo and derke own you and i sadly own derke so that means i own you aswell. 🥱
Art1st [#11]leo and derke own you and i sadly own derke so that means i own you aswell. 🥱
I would hope 3 2 people that earn their living playing Valorant all day would be better than me at it 🥰
I mean the whole region may be behind but a top team like EDG is not.
no matter how much experience NA teams may have in FPS games Valorant is too dynamic that FPS experience can only go so far.. the meta is ever evolving and changing that one small tweak on one agent can benefit a whole region’s play style
Achu [#8]hes not wrong? literally every fps asia is behind in other than prob pubg mobile and dumb shit like that
There has been 0 FPS where both Asia and West playerbase has had high playerbase. CN was taken over by Crossfire. Only into CSGO for skins, the small CS pro scene (small relative to other CN esports scenes) was riddled with constant match fixing and little to no tournaments. Korea was taken over by Sudden Attack as the go-to FPS. Overwatch was the only common game but even then it is different than other FPS.
FFS the biggest Asian scene in CS is Mongolia. That should tell you how little CN playerbase is outside of the skin market.
Nisham [#15]There has been 0 FPS where both Asia and West playerbase has had high playerbase. CN was taken over by Crossfire. Only into CSGO for skins, the small CS pro scene (small relative to other CN esports scenes) was riddled with constant match fixing and little to no tournaments. Korea was taken over by Sudden Attack as the go-to FPS. Overwatch was the only common game but even then it is different than other FPS.
FFS the biggest Asian scene in CS is Mongolia. That should tell you how little CN playerbase is outside of the skin market.
why tf does "crossfire" matter? nobody in the west plays it and thats the region that dominates fps games, literally everything you said is irrelevant lol
babysasuke [#12]I would hope
32 people that earn their living playing Valorant all day would be better than me at it 🥰
no i’m talking about as a pet 😍
Achu [#17]why tf does "crossfire" matter? nobody in the west plays it and thats the region that dominates fps games, literally everything you said is irrelevant lol
Are you dumb? I never said crossfired mattered. brainded fuck.
All i said was that Both East and West never had a game both region cared about heavily before Valorant besides OW and OW isn't comparable bc its fundamentally different than other fps.
capital_d_colon [#13]Chinese teams scrim like crazy from what i've heard.
Valorant and the way the circuit is set up does allow china to catch up quickly.
Yea, Sean Gares in Thoorin's Darking Minds podcast talked abt how much they scrimmed, it was insane.
Achu [#17]why tf does "crossfire" matter? nobody in the west plays it and thats the region that dominates fps games, literally everything you said is irrelevant lol
Just because the west doesn’t play crossfire it doesn’t matter? Tf
nah bro just said the most narrow minded thing ever. edg became better than 90% of the franchised team in basically a span of 6 months. with their work ethic and huge player base (and with NA's history in other esports), its almost inevitable that "CN as a region" will be as good as NA if not better.
OnlyHereCosBored [#21]Just because the west doesn’t play crossfire it doesn’t matter? Tf
obviously? why tf would u compare regions when one of them doesnt even play the game looool
Nisham [#19]Are you dumb? I never said crossfired mattered. brainded fuck.
All i said was that Both East and West never had a game both region cared about heavily before Valorant besides OW and OW isn't comparable bc its fundamentally different than other fps.
brother, you're a fucking moron
babysasuke [#4]Boaster embarrassed EMEA internationally for 2 whole years while twerking
9 roster iterations later they finally found the right players to carry him
Twerking is not correlative to Boasters performance, and has NOTHING to do with NA dogwalking that boosted fraud
oml Fnatic doesn't make another semifinals until they get a real coach and IGL
didnt you say you'll fuck off from this site after Chronicles wins another ? and fnatic is making semis in champs
Achu [#23]obviously? why tf would u compare regions when one of them doesnt even play the game looool
by your same logic asia doesnt really play fps like csgo. why are you comparing them and calling them bad lmao
wizardbot [#26]by your same logic asia doesnt really play fps like csgo. why are you comparing them and calling them bad lmao
are you alright? the games both regions are involved in, the west literally dominates. i dont even have to single out china, all of asia too.
yoboikingkong [#22]nah bro just said the most narrow minded thing ever. edg became better than 90% of the franchised team in basically a span of 6 months. with their work ethic and huge player base (and with NA's history in other esports), its almost inevitable that "CN as a region" will be as good as NA if not better.
How is it inevitable?
NA has been around much longer with much better infrastructure
We should be better tbh
Asuna_Yuuki [#28]How is it inevitable?
NA has been around much longer with much better infrastructure
We should be better tbh
Once more CN teams get international arena experience they will get better drastically. Catching up is easier than staying on the bleeding edge.
babysasuke [#10]idk, maybe if you tell me to I'll consider it
is that what you want?
no, never
what's a hero without a villain? a villain without a hero?
Nisham [#15]There has been 0 FPS where both Asia and West playerbase has had high playerbase. CN was taken over by Crossfire. Only into CSGO for skins, the small CS pro scene (small relative to other CN esports scenes) was riddled with constant match fixing and little to no tournaments. Korea was taken over by Sudden Attack as the go-to FPS. Overwatch was the only common game but even then it is different than other FPS.
FFS the biggest Asian scene in CS is Mongolia. That should tell you how little CN playerbase is outside of the skin market.
There has been 0 FPS where both Asia and West playerbase has had high playerbase.
This is just incorrect. CS 1.5 and CS 1.6 both had huge playerbase in both Asia and West. Or you don't know much about gaming past the last 10 years?
Shidoh [#37]lol i like eg but cmon, dude got to his first grand final and has already let his ego go this up
calm the fuck down, bro
flair
Achu [#24]brother, you're a fucking moron
You are dumb if u don't understand what he's trying to say.
I think as a whole region he might be right, but NA is also hitting the problem of lack of orgs deciding to invest in new talent now that franchising has come around. So China could for sure surpass because of how much gets invested into the game and attention is on it.
NA's strong point is currently how deep the talent that could probably compete at a tier1 level goes, while China is currently lacking that overall well roundness it feels like. From watching it feels like some of the teams that are like 4-6 just are lost on how to actually play the game. They lack critical understanding of fundamentals. (This doesn't apply to EDG, of course, because they just beat down those other teams because EDG actually have that understanding of parts of the game that their opponents are missing)
moshimoshiman24 [#45]China and Korea takeover in the next 3 years
nah, korean scene is too stagnant
moshimoshiman24 [#45]China and Korea takeover in the next 3 years
if korea woulda taken over it woulda happened by now. China is asia last hope
KanyeAsada [#47]if korea woulda taken over it woulda happened by now. China is asia last hope
and prx of course
Cannot [#43]I think as a whole region he might be right, but NA is also hitting the problem of lack of orgs deciding to invest in new talent now that franchising has come around. So China could for sure surpass because of how much gets invested into the game and attention is on it.
NA's strong point is currently how deep the talent that could probably compete at a tier1 level goes, while China is currently lacking that overall well roundness it feels like. From watching it feels like some of the teams that are like 4-6 just are lost on how to actually play the game. They lack critical understanding of fundamentals. (This doesn't apply to EDG, of course, because they just beat down those other teams because EDG actually have that understanding of parts of the game that their opponents are missing)
The thing is EDG also looked lost as a team back before they attended champs. Yet in the span of 6 months they improved to the same level as other regions. Dont forget they destroyed EA LCQ back when they had never played internationally and then when champs came Life fell ill to covid so they had to bring in a sub - if that didn't happen we very well could've seen them 2-0 a PRX who just came 2nd in the previous masters. I think other teams in CN can do the same as EDG, as long as its a good org, just give them another 6 months.
KanyeAsada [#47]if korea woulda taken over it woulda happened by now. China is asia last hope
And valorant was already hitting the most viewed esports in China before its even released. That's insane, this might be the first time CN gets some recognition in FPS
Asuna_Yuuki [#28]How is it inevitable?
NA has been around much longer with much better infrastructure
We should be better tbh
Don't forget you were a one team region in 2022. NA only became decent at the end of 22 was because of the fact that every team from NA came early to scrim in EU for better practice.
You prob are better now, but if you think "China will never be better" then yeah you are delusional
Achu [#27]are you alright? the games both regions are involved in, the west literally dominates. i dont even have to single out china, all of asia too.
I believe it's the same. In crossfire there is EUMENA region where EU team (mostly Germany player) also compete...
Achu [#23]obviously? why tf would u compare regions when one of them doesnt even play the game looool
the irony. You have to be trolling
DIEM [#16]China is going to be better than EMEA, AMERICAS and PACIFIC by the end of year... Just watch and let China do the talking!
Lol.
Achu [#17]why tf does "crossfire" matter? nobody in the west plays it and thats the region that dominates fps games, literally everything you said is irrelevant lol
Brazil won for two years and the only country to beat China at Worlds. At one point you have Brazil, Russia, NA, EU competing
nowaday five regions left: China, Vietnam, Philippines, Brazil, EMEA
DIEM [#65]I can't wait until FPX slams EG in opening match of Champions 2023
FPX didn't qualify to playoffs :( but EDG will get revenge for them!
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