What’s with all this coping about Fnatic being a super team, other teams have tried it and failed only reason ppl are calling em out for it is cos their fav teams are getting smoked
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jawn [#2]name one other team that has done it then
bros gonna say C9 but we all know that team only failed coz of finances lol
jawn [#2]name one other team that has done it then
They all failed, why is this team called a superteam? What about teams like sentinels getting the best talent(unless you are implying only EMEA have good players) but flopping just cos FNC are winning all of a sudden it’s all about SuPeR tEaM
Depressed_TSM_Fan [#5]bros gonna say C9 but we all know that team only failed coz of finances lol
the only player that was considered a top itw on C9 was yay
weakest_marved_enjoyer [#3]no one has ever put together a team like this wdym?????? all 5 of them are the best at their roles in EMEA and some itw. no one else has come close to having a superteam like this ever
well boaster isnt the best controller in emea but he is a very competent igl
Wonderingalot [#6]They all failed, why is this team called a superteam? What about teams like sentinels getting the best talent(unless you are implying only EMEA have good players) but flopping just cos FNC are winning all of a sudden it’s all about SuPeR tEaM
bro does NOT know what a super team is
PandaZ [#10]LOUD had a super team in 2022. That LOUD would've dominated this year too had it not been for franchising
LOUD wasn't a superstar core that signed top players on top of that, their strength was built up not picked up
babushka_boii95 [#8]well boaster isnt the best controller in emea but he is a very competent igl
EMEA igls play smokes and he's the best of em all
weakest_marved_enjoyer [#3]no one has ever put together a team like this wdym?????? all 5 of them are the best at their roles in EMEA and some itw. no one else has come close to having a superteam like this ever
Boaster and Derke been there from like the start, they picked up Alfaer as a rising talent in the Turkish league where he wasn’t considered to be the best at his role even at Istanbul by a lot of ppl and I guarantee no na fans thought he was the best at his role, leo and cloud were both good but FNC got Leo and chronicle was the only proven one
SigmaMale [#12]EMEA igls play smokes and he's the best of em all
yea youre right. I forgot EMEA has no controller gods
weakest_marved_enjoyer [#3]no one has ever put together a team like this wdym?????? all 5 of them are the best at their roles in EMEA and some itw. no one else has come close to having a superteam like this ever
Literally,
This is like
FNS
Zombs
Cryo
Victor
Crashies were on a roster together
jawn [#9]bro does NOT know what a super team is
Marved,zekken , sacy, pancada not considered amazing by all na fans? Only reason you consider FNC a super team then is only cos they won
moatz [#4]We can see the effects on the other teams now that fnc scooped up most of the good eu players
These players still exist:
Shao, Suygetsu, Sayf, nAts, Trexx, Zyppan, cNed
Last year when Leo and Sayf were carrying Guild and still losing, nobody here called them the best in the world. They were just considered good players on bad teams. People still rated Marved, Pancada, Less, Sacy, Crashies, and other players from top teams above Leo. Now that Fnatic picked up Leo and Chronicle, "they are the best in the world". TL got nAts and Sayf. They could have had a superteam if they got Sheydos/Trexx instead of Soulcas, but they didn't. Navi still has 4 players of superteam caliber (these 4 players were considered above Leo by most people when Leo was stuck on Guild).
jawn [#11]LOUD wasn't a superstar core that signed top players on top of that, their strength was built up not picked up
true good point
Wonderingalot [#16]Marved,zekken , sacy, pancada not considered amazing by all na fans? Only reason you consider FNC a super team then is only cos they won
that roster was formed mid-season after coaching woes and injuries, the fnatic core had been to multiple LAN with decent results and proven firepower then picked up 2 stars, you're a fucking idiot if you think that's comparable
Wonderingalot [#13]Boaster and Derke been there from like the start, they picked up Alfaer as a rising talent in the Turkish league where he wasn’t considered to be the best at his role even at Istanbul by a lot of ppl and I guarantee no na fans thought he was the best at his role, leo and cloud were both good but FNC got Leo and chronicle was the only proven one
leo literally hard carried guild to LANs and even beat OPTIC in group stage. he had sayf to help but leo was clearly the best pickup for fnc and it wasnt really close. and idk what your argument with boaster, derke and alfa is. just because they did good scouting n shit to pick them up early in valorants history and when alfa was an unknown player doesnt make the team less of a superteam. no one is taking that away from fnc but its still ridiculous that every other EMEA team let fnc get leo and chronicle on top of having an already insane roster
fnc was already insane before franchise and they just dropped their 2 worst players and picked up arguably their current 2 best players
EntryKJ [#17]These players still exist:
Shao, Suygetsu, Sayf, nAts, Trexx, Zyppan, cNedLast year when Leo and Sayf were carrying Guild and still losing, nobody here called them the best in the world. They were just considered good players on bad teams. People still rated Marved, Pancada, Less, Sacy, Crashies, and other players from top teams above Leo. Now that Fnatic picked up Leo and Chronicle, "they are the best in the world". TL got nAts and Sayf. They could have had a superteam if they got Sheydos/Trexx instead of Soulcas, but they didn't. Navi still has 4 players of superteam caliber (these 4 players were considered above Leo by most people when Leo was stuck on Guild).
Fr this NA delusion is unreal only cos FNC are winning is the reason why all of a sudden all their players are the best at their roles blah blah I guarantee this hypocrites weren’t saying that before but then again always need some way to cope
weakest_marved_enjoyer [#3]no one has ever put together a team like this wdym?????? all 5 of them are the best at their roles in EMEA and some itw. no one else has come close to having a superteam like this ever
Navi has similar firepower. You won't agree now because Fnatic plays better than Navi, but if you asked to compare these players last year, people would prefer the Navi players even though Leo was still playing well on Guild.
TL could have made a similar team by just picking up Sheydos or Trexx instead of Soulcas when they had the chance. (Yes, Cloud looks like a better option now, but back then, he wasn't considered better than Sheydos and Trexx).
chick [#15]Literally,
This is like
FNS
Zombs
Cryo
Victor
Crashies were on a roster together
omfg imagine if zombs was able to truly show everyone his true powers in the servers. hed put everyone to sleep and tuck them in like the little boys they are
Wonderingalot [#21]Fr this NA delusion is unreal only cos FNC are winning is the reason why all of a sudden all their players are the best at their roles blah blah I guarantee this hypocrites weren’t saying that before but then again always need some way to cope
fr. people are forgetting we have acend too
Wonderingalot [#21]Fr this NA delusion is unreal only cos FNC are winning is the reason why all of a sudden all their players are the best at their roles blah blah I guarantee this hypocrites weren’t saying that before but then again always need some way to cope
I am just happy that people are realizing how good Leo and Sayf are.
Trexx is also good. He is just on a team that isn't working.
Sheydos is in the same situation as Trexx.
At least now, we should realize that there are really good players on teams that are losing, but we don't pay attention to them because their teams are bad and they don't have results.
EntryKJ [#22]Navi has similar firepower. You won't agree now because Fnatic plays better than Navi, but if you asked to compare these players last year, people would prefer the Navi players even though Leo was still playing well on Guild.
TL could have made a similar team by just picking up Sheydos or Trexx instead of Soulcas when they had the chance. (Yes, Cloud looks like a better option now, but back then, he wasn't considered better than Sheydos and Trexx).
honestly cloud has potential to be at leos level or even better. He is clutch, plays for his life, flexes well, and has really good aim. Itd be a shame for him to not be considered by liquid during the offseason
weakest_marved_enjoyer [#20]leo literally hard carried guild to LANs and even beat OPTIC in group stage. he had sayf to help but leo was clearly the best pickup for fnc and it wasnt really close. and idk what your argument with boaster, derke and alfa is. just because they did good scouting n shit to pick them up early in valorants history and when alfa was an unknown player doesnt make the team less of a superteam. no one is taking that away from fnc but its still ridiculous that every other EMEA team let fnc get leo and chronicle on top of having an already insane roster
fnc was already insane before franchise and they just dropped their 2 worst players and picked up arguably their current 2 best players
fnc was already insane before franchise and they just dropped their 2 worst players and picked up arguably their current 2 best players
Yes, that's what I would do if I owned a team lol
jawn [#19]that roster was formed mid-season after coaching woes and injuries, the fnatic core had been to multiple LAN with decent results and proven firepower then picked up 2 stars, you're a fucking idiot if you think that's comparable
I dunno man I remember being a Fnatic fan and watching them used to choke a lot 🤷♂️ I just feel like this superteam thing is a stupid way to cope for some people
EntryKJ [#17]These players still exist:
Shao, Suygetsu, Sayf, nAts, Trexx, Zyppan, cNedLast year when Leo and Sayf were carrying Guild and still losing, nobody here called them the best in the world. They were just considered good players on bad teams. People still rated Marved, Pancada, Less, Sacy, Crashies, and other players from top teams above Leo. Now that Fnatic picked up Leo and Chronicle, "they are the best in the world". TL got nAts and Sayf. They could have had a superteam if they got Sheydos/Trexx instead of Soulcas, but they didn't. Navi still has 4 players of superteam caliber (these 4 players were considered above Leo by most people when Leo was stuck on Guild).
no shit people are gonna underrate people if they lose all the time lmao. guild was in a perma 4v5 because they had russ on their team. if they had a DECENT player to replace russ they wouldve been really good and leo wouldve been regarded as one of the best initiators itw. btw all the people you named left in groups, didnt make to tokyo, or only beat 1 team then got booted. fnc are shitting on every team they play against (especially EMEA) and b4 you say some dogshit about how TL beat fnc in finals, if fnc didnt hide strats and fully tried, it wouldve been a 3-0
EntryKJ [#27]fnc was already insane before franchise and they just dropped their 2 worst players and picked up arguably their current 2 best players
Yes, that's what I would do if I owned a team lol
and thats what makes them a superteam you fucking bot
Wonderingalot [#28]I dunno man I remember being a Fnatic fan and watching them used to choke a lot 🤷♂️ I just feel like this superteam thing is a stupid way to cope for some people
i remember Fnatic dominating EMEA even with significantly weaker rosters
weakest_marved_enjoyer [#20]leo literally hard carried guild to LANs and even beat OPTIC in group stage. he had sayf to help but leo was clearly the best pickup for fnc and it wasnt really close. and idk what your argument with boaster, derke and alfa is. just because they did good scouting n shit to pick them up early in valorants history and when alfa was an unknown player doesnt make the team less of a superteam. no one is taking that away from fnc but its still ridiculous that every other EMEA team let fnc get leo and chronicle on top of having an already insane roster
fnc was already insane before franchise and they just dropped their 2 worst players and picked up arguably their current 2 best players
Consider it from Navi's pov. They have insane players and they were considered better than Leo last year because Navi was winning, while Leo was stuck carrying a losing team with Sayf. So they won't drop anyone for Leo. They got cNed instead of ardiis, which seems fair enough.
TL is the team that messed up. They could have gotten Leo, Sheydos or Trexx instead of Soulcas and they would have had a superteam.
Even now, there are players like Leo stuck carrying average teams. We don't rate them higher than the players from top teams, just like everyone rated Navi, Optic, Loud players above Leo last year.
weakest_marved_enjoyer [#30]and thats what makes them a superteam you fucking bot
Who stopped TL from making a superteam?
Navi is still a superteam, they just don't seem to work.
EntryKJ [#32]Consider it from Navi's pov. They have insane players and they were considered better than Leo last year because Navi was winning, while Leo was stuck carrying a losing team with Sayf. So they won't drop anyone for Leo. They got cNed instead of ardiis, which seems fair enough.
TL is the team that messed up. They could have gotten Leo, Sheydos or Trexx instead of Soulcas and they would have had a superteam.
Even now, there are players like Leo stuck carrying average teams. We don't rate them higher than the players from top teams, just like everyone rated Navi, Optic, Loud players above Leo last year.
well obviously. i still think TL did just fine and NAVI would be stupid to not take fpx core at the time. its all the other teams that didnt pickup a superstar or two that fucked themselves. i cant see any team other than fnc, navi, and TL win anything out of EMEA cuz every other team is lacking fire power
EntryKJ [#33]Who stopped TL from making a superteam?
Navi is still a superteam, they just don't seem to work.
TL is 1 player away from being a superteam and if you have a supeteam, there is no such thing as not working out. if they arent working out, they arent a superteam. but i think navi are 1 duelist away from being contenders
weakest_marved_enjoyer [#29]no shit people are gonna underrate people if they lose all the time lmao. guild was in a perma 4v5 because they had russ on their team. if they had a DECENT player to replace russ they wouldve been really good and leo wouldve been regarded as one of the best initiators itw. btw all the people you named left in groups, didnt make to tokyo, or only beat 1 team then got booted. fnc are shitting on every team they play against (especially EMEA) and b4 you say some dogshit about how TL beat fnc in finals, if fnc didnt hide strats and fully tried, it wouldve been a 3-0
I am trying to say that there are good underrated players still available. What matters is recognizing them and forming a good team, and we will start calling them a superteam too if they win consistently.
Yes, they left in groups and didn't make to Tokyo, just like Leo and Sayf when Guild was not making LANs.
EntryKJ [#37]I am trying to say that there are good underrated players still available. What matters is recognizing them and forming a good team, and we will start calling them a superteam too if they win consistently.
Yes, they left in groups and didn't make to Tokyo, just like Leo and Sayf when Guild was not making LANs.
yea when people start making good teams and start to win, then they will be regarded as superteams. until then, fnc is BY FAR the best team in EMEA
weakest_marved_enjoyer [#34]well obviously. i still think TL did just fine and NAVI would be stupid to not take fpx core at the time. its all the other teams that didnt pickup a superstar or two that fucked themselves. i cant see any team other than fnc, navi, and TL win anything out of EMEA cuz every other team is lacking fire power
Yes you are right. Fnatic, TL and Navi are above other EMEA teams in firepower.
But I think if EG can do this well, other teams can also do it if they put in the right effort.
INTERCEPTOR [#35]fnatic are so overrated. basically lost to EG (lucky win) NA's 4th or 5th best team lmao. same NPC's who claim kangkang is a top player after 2 decent matches lol
Man I look through your replies and see you have something wrong with you bro said tenz better than zekken and midcada and sentinels being Fnatic killer 💀
Wonderingalot [#40]Man I look through your replies and see you have something wrong with you bro said tenz better than zekken and midcada and sentinels being Fnatic killer 💀
Stop giving kids like them attention. He is clearly a no life baiter and/or someone's alt
babushka_boii95 [#14]yea youre right. I forgot EMEA has no controller gods
yeah i think due to all the igls being on smokes, all the players that would be controller gods if needed are instead just cracked initiator players
INTERCEPTOR [#35]fnatic are so overrated. basically lost to EG (lucky win) NA's 4th or 5th best team lmao. same NPC's who claim kangkang is a top player after 2 decent matches lol
kk has highest acs in 340 rounds what is blud wafflin about 😭😭
Wonderingalot [#40]Man I look through your replies and see you have something wrong with you bro said tenz better than zekken and midcada and sentinels being Fnatic killer 💀
I think Sentinels can beat Fnatic if they put in the effort. They just need a solid IGL, or Marved should evolve into a god IGL soon.
They have the firepower (Sacy, Pancada, Marved are all international winners, Zekken is a top flex and TenZ has great aim). It's weird when TenZ looks like the weakest link in a team.
People would call Sentinels a superteam if they win dominantly in a row, but it's harder in NA (the gap between teams is smaller in NA).
jawn [#31]i remember Fnatic dominating EMEA even with significantly weaker rosters
yeah they used to win EMEA and choke in internationals before this iteration of the team.
EntryKJ [#39]Yes you are right. Fnatic, TL and Navi are above other EMEA teams in firepower.
But I think if EG can do this well, other teams can also do it if they put in the right effort.
good point
EntryKJ [#45]yeah they used to win EMEA and choke in internationals before this iteration of the team.
what does that change? was their derke/alfa/boaster/mini core not recongnized as really good?
babushka_boii95 [#14]yea youre right. I forgot EMEA has no controller gods
i'd consider shao a controller as well
jawn [#47]what does that change? was their derke/alfa/boaster/mini core not recongnized as really good?
They were considered good, but not the best. Optic, Loud cores were considered better.
EntryKJ [#49]They were considered good, but not the best. Optic, Loud cores were considered better.
you're almost there buddy, when you add 2 stars to that already good roster what happens?
Wonderingalot [#40]Man I look through your replies and see you have something wrong with you bro said tenz better than zekken and midcada and sentinels being Fnatic killer 💀
if you think zekken is better than TenZ you are simply delusional
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