Look at there games, i doubt other 9 teams will be even able to compete at Tokyo.
They should only send Loud to Tokyo and save embarassment.
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Why America's teams so washed out(except loud)
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Asuna_Yuuki [#5]Americas league is the best and most competitive league wym
It looks like ranked play strats. Thank God I watch Fnatic vods to learn teamplay.
Shownu [#7]It looks like ranked play strats. Thank God I watch Fnatic vods to learn teamplay.
I think FNATIC is the best team itw right now, but other than them, Americas are way stronger.
Asuna_Yuuki [#8]I think FNATIC is the best team itw right now, but other than them, Americas are way stronger.
Did you forget NAVI upgraded with cNed? Adding a World Champion Duelist replacing Ardiis?
Shownu [#7]It looks like ranked play strats. Thank God I watch Fnatic vods to learn teamplay.
hows gold treating you?
Shownu [#9]Did you forget NAVI upgraded with cNed? Adding a World Champion Duelist replacing Ardiis?
Yea ig NaVi is good, but other than that EMEA is weak
Asuna_Yuuki [#12]Yea ig NaVi is good, but other than that EMEA is weak
You said Fnatic then said but other than them and now you changing the goal post again. Fraud.
Asuna_Yuuki [#12]Yea ig NaVi is good, but other than that EMEA is weak
Americas other than LOUD is weak
Shownu [#15]You said Fnatic then said but other than them and now you changing the goal post again. Fraud.
My bad bro I forgot about NaVi, but other than those 2 teams EMEA is rlly weak.
Asuna_Yuuki [#17]My bad bro I forgot about NaVi, but other than those 2 teams EMEA is rlly weak.
tf is americas without loud
dapada [#16]Americas other than LOUD is weak
The worst team in the Americas almost beat LOUD. Everyone in our region is good and plays each other close
Asuna_Yuuki [#19]The worst team in the Americas almost beat LOUD. Everyone in our region is good and plays each other close
Everyone in our region is good
🤣 will comeback to this after tokyo
Chikenwarrior23 [#18]tf is americas without loud
There are many teams in the Americas at a similar level as LOUD which is why the Americas are the strongest. Can’t say the sane about FNATIC and DRX in their regions though
dapada [#20]Everyone in our region is good
🤣 will comeback to this after tokyo
Its true though, the number 10 team can have close games with the number 1 team unlike Pacific and EMEA
kirrans [#22]werent u a fnatic fan half an hour ago
must be thinking of someone else. I've been a fan of EG since the Quake 3 days
nutab1e [#24]must be thinking of someone else. I've been a fan of EG since the Quake 3 days
Bro is either Jekyll and Hyde, schizophrenic or an ai
nutab1e [#24]must be thinking of someone else. I've been a fan of EG since the Quake 3 days
Its true can confirm he was there when Nicole founded the company.
Asuna_Yuuki [#21]There are many teams in the Americas at a similar level as LOUD which is why the Americas are the strongest. Can’t say the sane about FNATIC and DRX in their regions though
it does not matter that they are on a similar level if top emea is above that level
plus i disagree that they are on a similar level, not only are they undefeated they are also playing irrelevant games so they are saving strats
Chikenwarrior23 [#29]it does not matter that they are on a similar level if top emea is above that level
plus i disagree that they are on a similar level, not only are they undefeated they are also playing irrelevant games so they are saving strats
Top EMEA is not above that level though. Americas were 6-0 against EMEA teams not named NaVi or FNATIC at LOCK IN.
Just proves the depth of our region
Shownu [#7]It looks like ranked play strats. Thank God I watch Fnatic vods to learn teamplay.
Ya dood. Teamplay: “sayf go kill” “cloud go kill”
Asuna_Yuuki [#31]Top EMEA is not above that level though. Americas were 6-0 against EMEA teams not named NaVi or FNATIC at LOCK IN.
Just proves the depth of our region
Both of these teams are going to be Top 2 from EMEA so you can't avoid them
Shownu [#33]Both of these teams are going to be Top 2 from EMEA so you can't avoid them
I agree the top 2 of EMEA are better than most Americas teams.
Other than those 2, all of the Americas teams clear EMEA
Americas depth >
Asuna_Yuuki [#31]Top EMEA is not above that level though. Americas were 6-0 against EMEA teams not named NaVi or FNATIC at LOCK IN.
Just proves the depth of our region
1st of all you can't just take out 2 teams out of the equation and compare it to your full region
and those 2 teams (that are top emea) beat furia, lev, sen, 100t, kru and loud, wich you said that they are all in a similar level.
so how is top emea not btr than top Americas when none of your teams that are all in a "similar level" (so its not like we did not play your best teams) could beat top emea?
Chikenwarrior23 [#35]1st of all you can't just take out 2 teams out of the equation and compare it to your full region
and those 2 teams (that are top emea) beat furia, lev, sen, 100t, kru and loud, wich you said that they are all in a similar level.
so how is top emea not btr than top Americas when none of your teams that are all in a "similar level" (so its not like we did not play your best teams) could beat top emea?
Ok fine. Take top 2 teams out of EMEA and top 2 teams out of Americas and Americas still clear easily. FNATIC and NaVi are the only EMEA teams that can beat Americas teams.
Im not saying top Americas is better than top EMEA
Im saying Americas has more depth
Shownu [#9]Did you forget NAVI upgraded with cNed? Adding a World Champion Duelist replacing Ardiis?
ardiis is a world champ tf u on
Asuna_Yuuki [#37]Ok fine. Take top 2 teams out of EMEA and top 2 teams out of Americas and Americas still clear easily. FNATIC and NaVi are the only EMEA teams that can beat Americas teams.
Im not saying top Americas is better than top EMEA
Im saying Americas has more depth
ok fine in since you don't want to compare top competition (wich makes no sence cause if our best teams beat your best then we will just win) then we will also compare tier 2 teams, college teams, ranked players, casual players.
u see where im getting with this, it does not matter that our bottom feeders lose to yours cause in the end if we have btr teams (even if just 2) we will just win the tournaments, no one is going to care if your mid teams lose in early playoffs and our mid teams lose at groups
Chikenwarrior23 [#40]ok fine in since you don't want to compare top competition (wich makes no sence cause if our best teams beat your best then we will just win) then we will also compare tier 2 teams, college teams, ranked players, casual players.
u see where im getting with this, it does not matter that our bottom feeders lose to yours cause in the end if we have btr teams (even if just 2) we will just win the tournaments, no one is going to care if your mid teams lose in early playoffs and our mid teams lose at groups
Reading comprehension? This person’s post was implying that the Americas have no depth and I was simply proving him wrong. Also, if you want to compare top teams I would say Americas and EMEA are pretty equal. Americas has LOUD, NRG, C9 and EMEA has FNC, and NaVi imo.
Asuna_Yuuki [#23]Its true though, the number 10 team can have close games with the number 1 team unlike Pacific and EMEA
KOI beats NAVI and BBL took a map off of FNC
GE and RRQ have close games with DRX
your point?
dapada [#44]KOI beats NAVI and BBL took a map off of FNC
GE and RRQ have close games with DRX
your point?
Fnatic had a sub
dapada [#44]KOI beats NAVI and BBL took a map off of FNC
GE and RRQ have close games with DRX
your point?
that's when KOI weren't trolling and NAVI were trolling
FNC had a sub, + BBL is good people just don't realize
DRX haven't been as consistently good since adding in Foxy9, and both GE and RRQ have had meteoric rises in form
your arguments are fundamentally flawed brother
1cameh [#47]that's when KOI weren't trolling and NAVI were trolling
FNC had a sub, + BBL is good people just don't realize
DRX haven't been as consistently good since adding in Foxy9, and both GE and RRQ have had meteoric rises in form
your arguments are fundamentally flawed brother
So if its Americas, they are good because they went toe-to-toe against LOUD in a fucking group stage? And if its EMEA and APAC, they are bad because X team trolling/X team had a sub/X team have had meteoric rises in form?
Have you ever considered that LOUD might be trying some stuff knowing that they are already playoff-bound? <-- my point
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p1lot [#36]we can all agree that VCT DRX is the worst
Either a big dark horse happens or it's going to be Drx beating everyone in the vct pacific playoff
dapada [#48]So if its Americas, they are good because they went toe-to-toe against LOUD in a fucking group stage? And if its EMEA and APAC, they are bad because X team trolling/X team had a sub/X team have had meteoric rises in form?
Have you ever considered that LOUD might be trying some stuff knowing that they are already playoff-bound? <-- my point
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and I quote: "Americas other than LOUD is weak"
that is a similar claim but not the same as "LOUD is trying some stuff", so don't try to backtrack on your original claim
i also never claimed anything about LOUD or other Americas teams. I was disputing your points about EMEA/APAC. don't put words in my mouth
Asuna_Yuuki [#41]Reading comprehension? This person’s post was implying that the Americas have no depth and I was simply proving him wrong. Also, if you want to compare top teams I would say Americas and EMEA are pretty equal. Americas has LOUD, NRG, C9 and EMEA has FNC, and NaVi imo.
u owned him
1cameh [#50]and I quote: "Americas other than LOUD is weak"
that is a similar claim but not the same as "LOUD is trying some stuff", so don't try to backtrack on your original claim
i also never claimed anything about LOUD or other Americas teams. I was disputing your points about EMEA/APAC. don't put words in my mouth
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bro disputing points without context, not going to argue further
mocaxoxo [#3]Americas league is so competitive wym 😭
U are one of the most sensible and matured vlr user
Shownu [#42]Champions winner is the Major for Valorant.
so ur team fnatic here hasnt won a major then
dapada [#53]🤦🏻♂️
bro disputing points without context, not going to argue further
"he refuted my points with logic, and I don't have the intelligence to refute his, so I'm going to ad hoc him and 'win'. got him"
1cameh [#65]"he refuted my points with logic, and I don't have the intelligence to refute his, so I'm going to ad hoc him and 'win'. got him"
took you long enough to come up with this, you seem smart enough to understand the importance of context in a conversation
dapada [#66]took you long enough to come up with this, you seem smart enough to understand the importance of context in a conversation
not on this forum often enough to hold a consistent debate
regardless, this discussion is pointless. the only point I was debating was your argument that EMEA/APAC had close games between presently high and low seeds due to there being a similar level of team across the regional board. i never made a claim about LOUD - point being, context can be crucial to a conversation, but in this case, I came in to debate you solely on your perspective on EMEA/APAC, not Americas.
if we want to get into that - EMEA>Americas>APAC when it comes to team quality, Americas inconsistent as fuck (NRG and Cloud9 are on the up, LOUD is undefeated but look shaky in every win), EMEA teams are semi-consistent, but top teams seem to show greater consistency (FNC, FUT, Giants before yesterday), APAC... after this morning, I don't know what to think
Shownu [#4]Good thing Fnatic took a seed away from Nearest Airport.
Bro it literally doesn't matter because all the EMEA teams apart from fnatic and navi are washed. Tokyo will quite literally be loud vs fnatic vs navi vs maybe drx and maybe c9.
Ofcourse its a fnatic bandwagoner talking. Chill buddy fnatic won a tournament with single elim no, no vods, new meta. Fnatic going undefeated in emea doesn't prove shit. NRG, C9, LOUD will shit on fnatic in tokyo.
"Look at their matches". You know emea league is shit when a team like KC can win 2 matches and your 3rd best team Giants lost to heretics? KEKW.
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