Who is the worst player in the starting five in each franchised team in the Americas?
Loud: Tuyz
C9: Zellsis
Furia: Quick
LEV: Taco
NRG: Ardiis
100T: Stellar
SEN: Dephh
EG: C0M
MIBR: FRZ
KRU: Klaus
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GreyDaze [#2]For emea
TL: Soulcas
Fnc: No one, all cracked
Navi: Unironically ange1 but also navi won't win without him
Koi: Wolfen
Vit: Destrian
Giants: Rhyme
Fut: MrFallin
KC: Ze1sh
TH: Mixwell
BBL: Turko
pretty accurate list
GreyDaze [#2]For emea
TL: Soulcas
Fnc: No one, all cracked
Navi: Unironically ange1 but also navi won't win without him
Koi: Wolfen
Vit: Destrian
Giants: Rhyme
Fut: MrFallin
KC: Ze1sh
TH: Mixwell
BBL: Turko
A couple of these are igls so idk if they really fit. Then again a lot of the americas ones are too.
Cresp [#11]A couple of these are igls so idk if they really fit. Then again a lot of the americas ones are too.
Well I literally couldn't say anyone for giants apart from rhyme. U could maybe say mojj for fut but I feel like fut aren't that good even strategically so I put their igl here.
sheahhhh [#8]Loud: Saadhak
C9: Xeppa
Furia: Quick
LEV: Taco
NRG: Ardiis
100T: Derrek
SEN: Dephh
EG: Jawgemo and c0m
MIBR: FRZ
KRU: Klaus
Valid, but Saadhak is still better than Tuyz when you consider igling abilities
Nefarious_ [#13]Valid, but Saadhak is still better than Tuyz when you consider igling abilities
I think in terms of relative impact, fNs actually mega brain and ardiis is a bum, stellar vs derrek was hard but stellar is a good igl and derrek has been really mid
However, tuyz is actually really good and saadhak looks like a bot sometimes and his igling is aight Asspass carries
GreyDaze [#2]For emea
TL: Soulcas
Fnc: No one, all cracked
Navi: Unironically ange1 but also navi won't win without him
Koi: Wolfen
Vit: Destrian
Giants: Rhyme
Fut: MrFallin
KC: Ze1sh
TH: Mixwell
BBL: Turko
Bro thinks BBL has no weak link
sheahhhh [#15]I think in terms of relative impact, fNs actually mega brain and ardiis is a bum, stellar vs derrek was hard but stellar is a good igl and derrek has been really mid
However, tuyz is actually really good and saadhak looks like a bot sometimes and his igling is aight Asspass carries
tuyz is actually really good
proof?
GreyDaze [#2]For emea
TL: Soulcas
Fnc: No one, all cracked
Navi: Unironically ange1 but also navi won't win without him
Koi: Wolfen
Vit: Destrian
Giants: Rhyme
Fut: MrFallin
KC: Ze1sh
TH: Mixwell
BBL: Turko
Mrfalin is the best on FUT what are you smoking
gamr [#14]Loud: Tuyz
C9: Zellsis
Furia: Quick
LEV: Taco
NRG: Ardiis
100T: Derrek
SEN: Dephh
EG: C0M
MIBR: frz
KRU: Klaus
This one is probably correct :D
GreyDaze [#2]For emea
TL: Soulcas
Fnc: No one, all cracked
Navi: Unironically ange1 but also navi won't win without him
Koi: Wolfen
Vit: Destrian
Giants: Rhyme
Fut: MrFallin
KC: Ze1sh
TH: Mixwell
BBL: Turko
in terms of pure firepower, for FNC it has to be boaster, not to say he isn't cracked but everyone else is more cracked
V0sotros [#22]in terms of pure firepower, for FNC it has to be boaster, not to say he isn't cracked but everyone else is more cracked
I thought of adding boaster but I still don't see him as a "weak link". For me a weak link is someone who is the cause of losing rounds and I haven't seen that happen with boaster lately.
eeeeeeeee [#23]you forget he is IGLing while outperforming mojj and muj (both shit)?
Muj hadn't played in forever and mojj has been better lately. Also Mrfallin's igl is below average in my book. Qraxs and qw1 save fut's asses so many times
gamr [#17]tuyz is actually really good
proof?
https://www.vlr.gg/167360/nrg-esports-vs-loud-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-alpha-sf
teilwal [#26]https://www.vlr.gg/167360/nrg-esports-vs-loud-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-alpha-sf
Only 1 series but fair enough
GreyDaze [#25]Muj hadn't played in forever and mojj has been better lately. Also Mrfallin's igl is below average in my book. Qraxs and qw1 save fut's asses so many times
Muj has flashier plays and aim like qw1 but mrfalin is more consistent. Next trade window atakaptan and mrfalin will be the ones to stay imo
annoybrocc02 [#30]then who? fns? lmfao
Yes Ardiis has been popping off and has been insane recently on jett
sheahhhh [#8]Loud: Saadhak
C9: Xeppa
Furia: Quick
LEV: Taco
NRG: Ardiis
100T: Derrek
SEN: Dephh
EG: Jawgemo and c0m
MIBR: FRZ
KRU: Klaus
Ardiis is the best player in the team, don't let some bad Raze plays cloud it
Pacific:
DRX: Literally no one, this team clears the rest of the region.
Zeta: Prob Crow tbh
T1: Still Ban, Carpe is on fraudwatch once again tho (sorry Carpe user or whatever your name is)
PRX: d4v41
GE: Wronski (yes, ik he's not in playing 5 rn)
GEN: Eko ig? he was good vs drx tho
TS: Dubstep
RRQ: 2ge
DFM: Seoldam
Talon: Patt, because until he's back on duelist, he's on overfraudwatch (i suck at making jokes)
Ic4rusYam2 [#35]I thought this was a thread about zelda
Bro? The new Zelda game going to be too good tho
GreyDaze [#2]For emea
TL: Soulcas
Fnc: No one, all cracked
Navi: Unironically ange1 but also navi won't win without him
Koi: Wolfen
Vit: Destrian
Giants: Rhyme
Fut: MrFallin
KC: Ze1sh
TH: Mixwell
BBL: Turko
I'd put fitinho below rhyme, if im completely honest, hes not bad but he could improve a lot, and rhyme has been managing the team pretty well
But great list bro
GreyDaze [#2]For emea
TL: Soulcas
Fnc: No one, all cracked
Navi: Unironically ange1 but also navi won't win without him
Koi: Wolfen
Vit: Destrian
Giants: Rhyme
Fut: MrFallin
KC: Ze1sh
TH: Mixwell
BBL: Turko
ange1 igling is one of the best. he is not getting too many frags but he covers that with his igling skills. just like you did not put boaster there do not put ange1 either. their stats is similar atm.
GreyDaze [#2]For emea
TL: Soulcas
Fnc: No one, all cracked
Navi: Unironically ange1 but also navi won't win without him
Koi: Wolfen
Vit: Destrian
Giants: Rhyme
Fut: MrFallin
KC: Ze1sh
TH: Mixwell
BBL: Turko
Koi: wolfen + starxo
Giants: fitinho
FUT: nobody, they are all evenly rated
KC: zeish, xms
TH: everybody except zeek
shadowvlr [#34]Pacific:
DRX: Literally no one, this team clears the rest of the region.
Zeta: Prob Crow tbh
T1: Still Ban, Carpe is on fraudwatch once again tho (sorry Carpe user or whatever your name is)
PRX: d4v41
GE: Wronski (yes, ik he's not in playing 5 rn)
GEN: Eko ig? he was good vs drx tho
TS: Dubstep
RRQ: 2ge
DFM: Seoldam
Talon: Patt, because until he's back on duelist, he's on overfraudwatch (i suck at making jokes)
Bruh I'm opposing to the current d4v4i's lynching
This guy is cracked
I'd put mindfreak but he's recently popping off
shadowvlr [#34]Pacific:
DRX: Literally no one, this team clears the rest of the region.
Zeta: Prob Crow tbh
T1: Still Ban, Carpe is on fraudwatch once again tho (sorry Carpe user or whatever your name is)
PRX: d4v41
GE: Wronski (yes, ik he's not in playing 5 rn)
GEN: Eko ig? he was good vs drx tho
TS: Dubstep
RRQ: 2ge
DFM: Seoldam
Talon: Patt, because until he's back on duelist, he's on overfraudwatch (i suck at making jokes)
weak link on drx would actually be foxy9 for me, we dont know if nerves will get to him at tokyo. otherwise the other 4 are insane and have only been improving.
shadowvlr [#34]Pacific:
DRX: Literally no one, this team clears the rest of the region.
Zeta: Prob Crow tbh
T1: Still Ban, Carpe is on fraudwatch once again tho (sorry Carpe user or whatever your name is)
PRX: d4v41
GE: Wronski (yes, ik he's not in playing 5 rn)
GEN: Eko ig? he was good vs drx tho
TS: Dubstep
RRQ: 2ge
DFM: Seoldam
Talon: Patt, because until he's back on duelist, he's on overfraudwatch (i suck at making jokes)
I agree with the rest but d4v4i? he's literally the most consistent in prx
ValdemieGC [#41]Bruh I'm opposing to the current d4v4i's lynching
This guy is cracked
I'd put mindfreak but he's recently popping off
i only put him because of literally -1 performances. its so hard with prx because every player can be good one game and shit the next, it just depends on the day. i dont really like d4v41 in the igl role, so that's mainly why i put him. i could see the argument for mf, besides last series he was awful all split
GreyDaze [#24]I thought of adding boaster but I still don't see him as a "weak link". For me a weak link is someone who is the cause of losing rounds and I haven't seen that happen with boaster lately.
ig we see a weak link as different things, I understand the concept more as a person you would most want to see in a 1v1 against on that team, and it's probably boaster, since his aim just isn't like the other 4 on the team.
GreyDaze [#2]For emea
TL: Soulcas
Fnc: No one, all cracked
Navi: Unironically ange1 but also navi won't win without him
Koi: Wolfen
Vit: Destrian
Giants: Rhyme
Fut: MrFallin
KC: Ze1sh
TH: Mixwell
BBL: Turko
wym by that ze1sh made the team stronger, strat wise
newzera is the weak link
V0sotros [#47]ig we see a weak link as different things, I understand the concept more as a person you would most want to see in a 1v1 against on that team, and it's probably boaster, since his aim just isn't like the other 4 on the team.
If u mean this I think you should specify that you're talking about the weakest link mechanically. Bc weakest link on its own defaults to a more comprehensive view imo. Derke and aspas are ofc beasts but I think they're the best in the world bc they play in a system designed to maximize their impact by their respective igls.
Shownu [#33]Ardiis is the best player in the team, don't let some bad Raze plays cloud it
crashies and s0m clears
lukeman23 [#10]tuyz's harbor is mad underrated bro's util is carrying Loud
the only harbor whose util usage is close to PERFECT
gamr [#14]Loud: Tuyz
C9: Zellsis
Furia: Quick
LEV: Taco
NRG: Ardiis
100T: Derrek
SEN: Dephh
EG: C0M
MIBR: frz
KRU: Klaus
nobody in c9 is a weak lin, everyone compliment each other very well
Shownu [#33]Ardiis is the best player in the team, don't let some bad Raze plays cloud it
victor, crashies s0m, fns >>>> fartiis
noxx [#52]nobody in c9 is a weak lin, everyone compliment each other very well
i agree now that zellsis swapped off flex/duelist
ValdemieGC [#38]I'd put fitinho below rhyme, if im completely honest, hes not bad but he could improve a lot, and rhyme has been managing the team pretty well
But great list bro
Nah fitinho is great. Nearly not as impactful for giants as cloud and nukkye but he is as impactful as hoody if not more. He is definitely more impactful than rhyme for giants. Rhyme is a good igl but his mechanics are pretty mid and sometimes can drag his team down
ashwagandha [#48]wym by that ze1sh made the team stronger, strat wise
newzera is the weak link
Ze1sh made the team better but it doesn't take away from the fact he has Plat mechanics. Newzera isn't on roster anymore basically
hekzy [#40]Koi: wolfen + starxo
Giants: fitinho
FUT: nobody, they are all evenly rated
KC: zeish, xms
TH: everybody except zeek
Fitinho is good. Qraxs and qw1 are the best players in fut by a mile. I would've put xms here but ze1sh has mechanics of a Plat player. I agree about TH one
emirerays [#39]ange1 igling is one of the best. he is not getting too many frags but he covers that with his igling skills. just like you did not put boaster there do not put ange1 either. their stats is similar atm.
Ik that, that's why I mentioned that navi won't win without him. I put ange1 here but not boaster bcoz many a time has ange1 entered the site first on purpose and gets killed leaving his team at a man disadvantage. Ik it's kind of a strat but navi still suffers a bit due to that.
eeeeeeeee [#29]Muj has flashier plays and aim like qw1 but mrfalin is more consistent. Next trade window atakaptan and mrfalin will be the ones to stay imo
Doesn't matter about muj. I am not keeping him here purely bcoz he hasn't played since last 3 games or so. MrFallin is the only decent igl left in Turkish tier 1 scene. Unless they get someone from parla or fireflux obviously he is going to be the one to stay
GreyDaze [#57]Fitinho is good. Qraxs and qw1 are the best players in fut by a mile. I would've put xms here but ze1sh has mechanics of a Plat player. I agree about TH one
ze1sh is only standing in. He is actually their analyst, not supposed to be there either way. (henceforth the low elo mechanics)
GreyDaze [#2]For emea
TL: Soulcas
Fnc: No one, all cracked
Navi: Unironically ange1 but also navi won't win without him
Koi: Wolfen
Vit: Destrian
Giants: Rhyme
Fut: MrFallin
KC: Ze1sh
TH: Mixwell
BBL: Turko
Wolfen underrated, starxo more of a weak link
hekzy [#62]ze1sh is only standing in. He is actually their analyst, not supposed to be there either way. (henceforth the low elo mechanics)
Doesn't take away from the fact he is the weakest link
burritx [#66]PRX: Mindfreak
T1: Carpe
GEN.G: Meteor
TS: The boomers
TLN: Sushiboys
DFM: Seoldam
DRX: Stax
ZETA: TENNN
RRQ: All the Filipinos
GE: Wronski
wtf are you smoking stax is a weak link in drx? bro literally carried drx's ass in champions and carpe is not the weak link in T1 its ban
Skorp4k [#67]wtf are you smoking stax is a weak link in drx? bro literally carried drx's ass in champions and carpe is not the weak link in T1 its ban
Blud is mentioning a tourney from last year 💀💀💀
GreyDaze [#2]For emea
TL: Soulcas
Fnc: No one, all cracked
Navi: Unironically ange1 but also navi won't win without him
Koi: Wolfen
Vit: Destrian
Giants: Rhyme
Fut: MrFallin
KC: Ze1sh
TH: Mixwell
BBL: Turko
KC: whoever is coaching them
Giants: Lult1no
Natussy: cNed or angel, its 50/50. cNed has off game he plays like diamond 1 and loses the game on his own.
FOOT: KRACKS, momfalin isnt even playing half the time
TH: tossup between kaleops, poo and mixunwell
shadowvlr [#34]Pacific:
DRX: Literally no one, this team clears the rest of the region.
Zeta: Prob Crow tbh
T1: Still Ban, Carpe is on fraudwatch once again tho (sorry Carpe user or whatever your name is)
PRX: d4v41
GE: Wronski (yes, ik he's not in playing 5 rn)
GEN: Eko ig? he was good vs drx tho
TS: Dubstep
RRQ: 2ge
DFM: Seoldam
Talon: Patt, because until he's back on duelist, he's on overfraudwatch (i suck at making jokes)
PRX: luls0ken or bombkai
ZETA: Definitely crow
T1: Likely carpe
GE: WRONGSKI or LightningTrash, both close for the bagre d'or of pacific.
GENG: If i had to nominate someone i'd put Sylvan or whatever tf his name is
TS: BOARCUM
RRQ: The entire roster
DFM: Selldamn
Talon: fishnetS
DRX: Deft
burritx [#66]PRX: Mindfreak
T1: Carpe
GEN.G: Meteor
TS: The boomers
TLN: Sushiboys
DFM: Seoldam
DRX: Stax
ZETA: TENNN
RRQ: All the Filipinos
GE: Wronski
weak link of drx is not stax tf its probably OXY9
Number_1_Sheydos_Fan [#71]weak link of drx is not stax tf its probably OXY9
nah foxy9 is playing pretty good but stax is not the weak link
Skorp4k [#73]nah foxy9 is playing pretty good but stax is not the weak link
they have no weak link, maybe zest but he doesnt play much anymore
lukeman23 [#10]tuyz's harbor is mad underrated bro's util is carrying Loud
Nah if I see him on Harbour I'm dodging. Him and Xeta have played harbour very very well
swaglord69 [#64]u can never call fns weak link as he is the igl
never said he was, was just asking him if not ardiis, then who. The more I think about it, there is no clear weak link at the moment
GreyDaze [#65]Doesn't take away from the fact he is the weakest link
no, what im saying is that he is already going to leave the team once they find a newzera replacement. No point assessing his skill/impact, he's there temporarily.
burritx [#66]PRX: Mindfreak
T1: Carpe
GEN.G: Meteor
TS: The boomers
TLN: Sushiboys
DFM: Seoldam
DRX: Stax
ZETA: TENNN
RRQ: All the Filipinos
GE: Wronski
I speak for everyone when I say Talon weakest link is pati and sushi,
Evidences to back this claim
- In fracture vs prx he held his breach ult for 2 or 3 rounds and went for dry peak amd one of those round was very important because if pati have sac his ult he would have won 1v1 and force prx to eco
hekzy [#77]no, what im saying is that he is already going to leave the team once they find a newzera replacement. No point assessing his skill/impact, he's there temporarily.
- Roster lock already happened
- He's on the team
- He's playing for the team
Therefore, he is the weakest link
Your reply doesn't make sense
burritx [#79]
- Roster lock already happened
- He's on the team
- He's playing for the team
Therefore, he is the weakest link
Your reply doesn't make sense
He is their analyst/coach. He's not supposed to be playing on the server and he won't be, he'll be moved back to his old position once they find a suitable replacement for newzera. Judging his performances is useless, because you know he's not gonna stay either way. How the fuck am I having to explain this 50 times over???
hekzy [#80]He is their analyst/coach. He's not supposed to be playing on the server and he won't be, he'll be moved back to his old position once they find a suitable replacement for newzera. Judging his performances is useless, because you know he's not gonna stay either way. How the fuck am I having to explain this 50 times over???
You're having to explain it 50 times over because you're fucking stupid
It doesn't matter that he's only temporary on the roster
He is still the fucking weak link
If this thread was made when Reykjavik 2021 was happening would you also not consider TenZ in your fucking logic?
burritx [#81]You're having to explain it 50 times over because you're fucking stupid
It doesn't matter that he's only temporary on the roster
He is still the fucking weak link
If this thread was made when Reykjavik 2021 was happening would you also not consider TenZ in your fucking logic?
The whole point of the weak link is who gets the boot. Why are you wasting energy about ze1sh having to get the boot when everybody knows that he is going to get the boot once the season is over. He is not a signed PLAYER. He is a signed ANALYST. Jesus Christ. That's like judging Zews's performance for when he stepped in for Luminosity. He's not a sub, he's an analyst and they didn't have anybody else, it could've been the KC ceo for all you know. If Nadeshot had to step in for 100T because 2 players broke their hands, would you be sitting here analysing his gameplay and wasting your god damn energy on it? Get a fucking grip, seriously.
burritx [#81]You're having to explain it 50 times over because you're fucking stupid
It doesn't matter that he's only temporary on the roster
He is still the fucking weak link
If this thread was made when Reykjavik 2021 was happening would you also not consider TenZ in your fucking logic?
Let me explain it to you in kindergarden terms so you can finally get it:
Ze1sh can't be the weak link of the Karmine Corp active player roster
because
Ze1sh isn't a part of the Karmine Corp active player roster
hekzy [#83]Let me explain it to you in kindergarden terms so you can finally get it:
Ze1sh can't be the weak link of the Karmine Corp active player roster
because
Ze1sh isn't a part of the Karmine Corp active player roster
Let me explain it to you in kindergarden terms so you can finally get it:
Ze1sh is playing
Stop being a fucking retard and start using your brain to read
burritx [#84]Let me explain it to you in kindergarden terms so you can finally get it:
Ze1sh is playing
Stop being a fucking retard and start using your brain to read
So what do you propose? Since he is playing so bad, you have to propose a change. Are you suggesting they sign another player in his place? I bet they never thought of that, you fucking rtrd. Thanks for pointing out the obvious for no fucking reason and adding absolutely fucking nothing to the fucking discussion. BRAINDEAD.
hekzy [#85]So what do you propose? Since he is playing so bad, you have to propose a change. Are you suggesting they sign another player in his place? I bet they never thought of that, you fucking rtrd. Thanks for pointing out the obvious for no fucking reason and adding absolutely fucking nothing to the fucking discussion. BRAINDEAD.
Since he is playing so bad, you have to propose a change
Stopped reading right here because you're too stupid to even remember what the fuck the thread is about 💀
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