I will never understand who says Fns is a better igl than Saadhak lol. NRG is being too unstable.
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FNS best igl? What a joke.
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vastiraa [#5]why do brazilians hop on the fns hate train everytime his team loses like the obvious problem isnt ardiis being shit lol
yes FNS is still the best igl in the world and he was NOT the problem here
They hate him cus he shit on them in csgo, just how they hate leaf and xeppa
JustEnjoying [#4]I would love to see Saadhak without aspas and less 💀
Saadhak literally made 4 rookies world class players bruh
Nisham [#11]Saadhak literally made 4 rookies world class players bruh
so did fns. crashies, victor, marved, and s0m. and yay if you consider his passive playstyle that fit chamber so well.
Nisham [#11]Saadhak literally made 4 rookies world class players bruh
yay was on andbox and marved on faze bruda 💀
JustEnjoying [#4]I would love to see Saadhak without aspas and less 💀
saadhak had the ninth highest rating in champions 2021 playing with 3 bagres and sacy in addition to almost winning the gambit
acels2 [#2]sadhak? boaster exists lil bro
he fumbled every single international opportunity until lock in 💀 he always had a "superteam" but was able to win only one international event, and almost lost
JustEnjoying [#14]yay was on andbox and marved on faze bruda 💀
Less and aspas weren't even anywhere
JustEnjoying [#4]I would love to see Saadhak without aspas and less 💀
no excuses bro. FNS has crashies and s0m, they're both great capable players and showed it in lock in, cry more
veyyyyron [#16]he fumbled every single international opportunity until lock in 💀 he always had a "superteam" but was able to win only one international event, and almost lost
which super team lmfao
acels2 [#19]which super team lmfao
I remember going into Copenhagen so many people were saying FNATIC were a superteam
Asuna_Yuuki [#20]I remember going into Copenhagen so many people were saying FNATIC were a superteam
The only time when Fnatic could ever be called a superteam is now tbh. FPX was way more of a superteam after they added Suy, Suy was a beast in Forze and everyone who watched CIS scene was hyping him up.
Onais [#10]NRG strats are the best but they lack the firepower. When the player you picked up to replace the best player in the world becomes the worst player in your team, it becomes a problem. Strats don't matter if you don't have enough firepower.
^^^^
ardiis made the comps very difficult. NRG is making so many changes solely because ardiis is not living up to his EU days.
Victor is forced to switch between duelist, controller, initiator because ardiis can't play raze or jett good enough, as simple as that.
Even FNS is being forced into the Kayo and Skye role wtf.
Both SEN and NRG have comp issues.
Mortadelo [#17]Less and aspas weren't even anywhere
yep, I know saadhak is tier 1 IGL and but can we not ignore he still has his best player on the team? Aspas is the goat. Even though both Optic and Loud changed two players idk how LOUD are still so good and NRG this average?
It's ardiiss idc. Yay and Marved did play a key role in optics success while LOUD managed to replace their players with 2 awesome talents from their own region idk why Chet and FNS went for import. Mannn idk all respect to LOUD players anyways I love them
veyyyyron [#18]no excuses bro. FNS has crashies and s0m, they're both great capable players and showed it in lock in, cry more
Nah....he is right. you see how ardiis played? I dont think LOUD could performed well if aspas swapped with ardiis...
also s0m is a great player, he has proven that he can play at a high level, but he is still not on Marved level yet...
Itsover [#21]The only time when Fnatic could ever be called a superteam is now tbh. FPX was way more of a superteam after they added Suy, Suy was a beast in Forze and everyone who watched CIS scene was hyping him up.
Tbf alfajer came in hot on challengers so everyones expectations wre high on copenhagen
Asuna_Yuuki [#20]I remember going into Copenhagen so many people were saying FNATIC were a superteam
You cant be a superteam with players like mistic enzo and magnum. There was always some deadweight on the roster
mrGoudas [#26]Tbf alfajer came in hot on challengers so everyones expectations wre high on copenhagen
Yes but any team with mistic and enzo who were kinda mid players can't be called a superteam. Fpx had the #1-2 flex/initiator in cis(Shao), #2 anchor in cis(suy), zyppan who has been good for his whole career(but not at the very top) and a very experienced igl in ange1, the only weaker link was ardiis (and his signing was criticized a lot on vlr and reddit, although in fpx he turned out to be good)
JustEnjoying [#4]I would love to see Saadhak without aspas and less 💀
Almost beat Gambit after masters 3 with 3 tier 2 players on team
qnomon [#29]Almost beat Gambit after masters 3 with 3 tier 2 players on team
man get your head out of 1997
Itsover [#21]The only time when Fnatic could ever be called a superteam is now tbh. FPX was way more of a superteam after they added Suy, Suy was a beast in Forze and everyone who watched CIS scene was hyping him up.
They were a super team during the braveaf era. They had 3 players who at the time were the best on their roles (before mistic dropped off).
Even during Enzo Alfa you'd be able to say they're near a superteam.
Truth is they never were cause of how inconsistent their players were
gonfreacks [#25]Nah....he is right. you see how ardiis played? I dont think LOUD could performed well if aspas swapped with ardiis...
also s0m is a great player, he has proven that he can play at a high level, but he is still not on Marved level yet...
Marved didn't play when NRG faced Sentinels and they still lost, Tuyz is also not adapted yet to the controller role, and you saw what they did to NRG in lock in, everybody had their chance to shine in that game, because that's what a good IGL can do to your team. STOP making excuses and blaming it on the players and accept he is not the best IGL in the tournament, if saadhak was american this discussion wouldn't even exist
vastiraa [#5]why do brazilians hop on the fns hate train everytime his team loses like the obvious problem isnt ardiis being shit lol
yes FNS is still the best igl in the world and he was NOT the problem here
I don't know where you're from but i can bet my crib the name of your country starts with an U
veyyyyron [#16]he fumbled every single international opportunity until lock in 💀 he always had a "superteam" but was able to win only one international event, and almost lost
How many international events has loud won again?
veyyyyron [#33]I don't know where you're from but i can bet my crib the name of your country starts with an U
when can i claim your crib
veyyyyron [#32]Marved didn't play when NRG faced Sentinels and they still lost, Tuyz is also not adapted yet to the controller role, and you saw what they did to NRG in lock in, everybody had their chance to shine in that game, because that's what a good IGL can do to your team. STOP making excuses and blaming it on the players and accept he is not the best IGL in the tournament, if saadhak was american this discussion wouldn't even exist
Nah....you don't understand the context... Ardiis is bring to replace yay with a high hope. But instead, you see how he performed: vs Levi (-12), vs MiBr (-6), vs C9 (-19). Only vs Sen he went positive, although his perform was not outstanding. Thats why like I said, if LOUD have ardiis instead of aspas. I'm pretty sure LOUD could not perform well like now...
And if you see how Marved played yesterday, you will notice very well that lurking is something that S0m does not have/ very lacked.
So surely, with all the changes he may need more time.
Also the fact that he bring OPTIC become the most consistent team in 2022 (something that no others IGL can do) is undeniable....Until Saadhak do the same thing this year and then we can argue...
veyyyyron [#33]I don't know where you're from but i can bet my crib the name of your country starts with an U
Ikr it’s so obvious he is from Uganda
pewpew [#22]^^^^
ardiis made the comps very difficult. NRG is making so many changes solely because ardiis is not living up to his EU days.
Victor is forced to switch between duelist, controller, initiator because ardiis can't play raze or jett good enough, as simple as that.
Even FNS is being forced into the Kayo and Skye role wtf.Both SEN and NRG have comp issues.
FNS wants to be on skye, that's not an issue. But at the very least ardiis should perform on Jett and maybe raze and he didn't on either
veyyyyron [#33]I don't know where you're from but i can bet my crib the name of your country starts with an U
furia fans out of the question they talkin bout us shut up
aylez [#13]so did fns. crashies, victor, marved, and s0m. and yay if you consider his passive playstyle that fit chamber so well.
all of them competed for years in csgo. aspas and less are true rookies
gonfreacks [#36]Nah....you don't understand the context... Ardiis is bring to replace yay with a high hope. But instead, you see how he performed: vs Levi (-12), vs MiBr (-6), vs C9 (-19). Only vs Sen he went positive, although his perform was not outstanding. Thats why like I said, if LOUD have ardiis instead of aspas. I'm pretty sure LOUD could not perform well like now...
And if you see how Marved played yesterday, you will notice very well that lurking is something that S0m does not have/ very lacked.
So surely, with all the changes he may need more time.Also the fact that he bring OPTIC become the most consistent team in 2022 (something that no others IGL can do) is undeniable....Until Saadhak do the same thing this year and then we can argue...
It's so hard for a NA fan to just admit FNS is not in his prime days anymore
veyyyyron [#41]It's so hard for a NA fan to just admit FNS is not in his prime days anymore
Nah...its just hard for you to admit that he is still the best IGL until there is another IGL that exceeds his achievements and consistency...that's why its hard for you to understand that a simple "washed"/declining player could destroy a team...
gonfreacks [#42]Nah...its just hard for you to admit that he is still the best IGL until there is another IGL that exceeds his achievements and consistency...that's why its hard for you to understand that a simple "washed"/declining player could destroy a team...
Exceeds his achievements? Like saadhak?
veyyyyron [#45]Exceeds his achievements? Like saadhak?
And consistency...I mean when LOUD getting grouped on Copenhagen, I don't think you said Saadhak is a bad IGL. no?
gonfreacks [#46]And consistency...I mean when LOUD getting grouped on Copenhagen, I don't think you said Saadhak is a bad IGL. no?
What about champions? what about masters? what about the lock in? What about this 13-0? shut your bitch ass up your police rides a moose 😭
veyyyyron [#47]What about champions? what about masters? what about the lock in? What about this 13-0? shut your bitch ass up your police rides a moose 😭
Lmao...so what? Why did you avoid talking about Copenhagen? Why? Why? Because you will only show your hypocrisy...you talk shit about the performance of FNS on 1 tournament (even though its not finish yet), but you avoid to talk about the performance of "your team" that literally already known...
Also, any sane NA fans know that LOUD will win against EG 2-0. The fact that they dominated LOUD 13-3 on their map pick is surprised me. Again, here you cherry picked the 13-0, where were you at the 1st map?kekw...
gonfreacks [#48]Lmao...so what? Why did you avoid talking about Copenhagen? Why? Why? Because you will only show your hypocrisy...you talk shit about the performance of FNS on 1 tournament (even though its not finish yet), but you avoid to talk about the performance of "your team" that literally already known...
Also, any sane NA fans know that LOUD will win against EG 2-0. The fact that they dominated LOUD 13-3 on their map pick is surprised me. Again, here you cherry picked the 13-0, where were you at the 1st map?kekw...
You're talking a lot about consistency and Copenhagen, but what was Loud's (Saadhak) place in Champions, Lock-in, VCT Americas(right now) and what was Optic/NRG's (FNS) place? Great consistency in the last 3 tournaments by the "The GOAT FNS"
igorpp [#49]You're talking a lot about consistency and Copenhagen, but what was Loud's (Saadhak) place in Champions, Lock-in, VCT Americas(right now) and what was Optic/NRG's (FNS) place? Great consistency in the last 3 tournaments by the "The GOAT FNS"
VCT America and Lock In are not comparable with Master and Champions. VCT America is more likely VCT Brazil, LATAM, or NA but in a bigger stage. Similar to the lock in, the prize pool (compare to the number of participants) and the format shows that this tournament is not the same tier as Master.
We will see if LOUD could perform well in Tokyo and Champions to see whether Saadhak really could keep LOUD at the high level or not...
gonfreacks [#48]Lmao...so what? Why did you avoid talking about Copenhagen? Why? Why? Because you will only show your hypocrisy...you talk shit about the performance of FNS on 1 tournament (even though its not finish yet), but you avoid to talk about the performance of "your team" that literally already known...
Also, any sane NA fans know that LOUD will win against EG 2-0. The fact that they dominated LOUD 13-3 on their map pick is surprised me. Again, here you cherry picked the 13-0, where were you at the 1st map?kekw...
So? Is FNS consistent? Where was he at the lock in? WHERE WAS HIM BEFORE OPTIC? Cause saadhak has been playing in international stages for VKS doing great campaigns with a team that had 1/5 of the investments of the other teams, and because of ONE bad performance in his career where the whole team was not in a good mood you tell me FNS is better? Tell me about copium jeez
veyyyyron [#51]So? Is FNS consistent? Where was he at the lock in? WHERE WAS HIM BEFORE OPTIC? Cause saadhak has been playing in international stages for VKS doing great campaigns with a team that had 1/5 of the investments of the other teams, and because of ONE bad performance in his career where the whole team was not in a good mood you tell me FNS is better? Tell me about copium jeez
Reading comprehension... I told you already...OPTIC is the most consistent team in 2022, the year where saadhak and FNS compete together with a good squad... I deliberately did not bring 2021 since Saadhak barely cant do anything in the international level...
"because of ONE bad performance in his career where the whole team was not in a good mood you tell me FNS is better?"
Lmao. This is exactly what I said from the start, NRG would not be able to play well because Ardiis played very bad since the beginning yet you dont understand. Now you bring " the whole team was not in a good mood" as your excuse? what a hypocrite...kekw...
gonfreacks [#52]Reading comprehension... I told you already...OPTIC is the most consistent team in 2022, the year where saadhak and FNS compete together with a good squad... I deliberately did not bring 2021 since Saadhak barely cant do anything in the international level...
"because of ONE bad performance in his career where the whole team was not in a good mood you tell me FNS is better?"
Lmao. This is exactly what I said from the start, NRG would not be able to play well because Ardiis played very bad since the beginning yet you dont understand. Now you bring " the whole team was not in a good mood" as your excuse? what a hypocrite...kekw...
One thing is a bad player that plays like shit, other thing is a whole team going through a process. You cannot ignore 2021 if you wanna know who is the most CONSISTENT and consistency is all about time.
veyyyyron [#53]One thing is a bad player that plays like shit, other thing is a whole team going through a process. You cannot ignore 2021 if you wanna know who is the most CONSISTENT and consistency is all about time.
One player play like shit is the fact that be seen by the stats. But "a good mood" is just your assumption that cant be proven. Also, Saadhak, Aspas, and Pancada stats were not bad at that time.
If you want a stats in 2021. Ok then this is 2021
Stage 2 Masters - Reykjavík (first international for Saadhak) -5-6th place
FNS - do not participate (lose ticket to SEN and V1)
Stage 3 Masters - Berlin
Saadhak - do not participate (lose ticket to Havan Liberty and Keyd)
FNS - 2th place (lose to Gambit in Final)
Champions
Both getting groupped
At the end FNS still get a higher achievement than Saadhak.
Itsover [#21]The only time when Fnatic could ever be called a superteam is now tbh. FPX was way more of a superteam after they added Suy, Suy was a beast in Forze and everyone who watched CIS scene was hyping him up.
just cause you dont think they were doesn't mean everyone said they were
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