Saadhak > FNS

Why do people act like FNS is a better IGL than Saadhak?

FNS - 3 Finals, 1 win
Saadhak - 3 Finals, 1 win

Both of them had map and series tied before lockin (now Saadhak is in lead)
Saadhak has done it with 4 rookies, elevating each of them to be world class.
Saadhak didn't have yay,
yay was consistent but when he did go negative, they most likely lost. yay carried shit out of optic that all Optic losses to lower tier teams like Xset, Guild and EG only happened when he went negative in KD
Saadhak didn't have Chet

Saadhak clears

Saadhak didn't have yay

Yea but he had Aspas

there is a cognitive bias when it comes to judging igls because people relate their tactics inversely to their skill

basically he sucks so much mechanically that for his team to be as good as they were (optic) his strategy must be incredible is what most think

saadhak has better aim in comparison so people are more likely to offset his brain and give fns more credit

probably drops of truth to an extent

bc tactically optic looked better lmao. their mid rounds were far more impressive than LOUD’s

swear loud has only 2 final appearances

sadhak 1 champ
fns 0 champ

Because Saadhak can aim and play duelists. FNS is so shit mechanically that when his team beats squads of aim gods it makes you wonder how tf he pulls it off.

They each have their strengths, but when it comes to tactics and mid-rounding, FNS is marginally better.

I mean just look at SEN vs NRG or LOUD vs NRG. You can't say he got carried by Yay and marved after those two performances.

All of this not mentioning how Aspas diffed yay at times even in peak chamber meta

Saadhak is better at pre-round setups, FNS is WAY better at mid-rounding

lol wrong

aspas aim diffed yay when he was on chamber and that too in grand finals.

brobeans [#5]

swear loud has only 2 final appearances

1 in Reykjavik vs optic, another in Istanbul vs optic, and including lockin vs fnatic

1. Loud put the best talent from Brazil together to make a super team.
2. Acting like the other players on loud weren't world class is disrespectful to those players.
3. Optic ran like a machine with each of the players working together to make them as great as they were so saying he was carrying when they were built to enable yay to carry them isn't saying the full picture.
4. acting like bzka wasn't a good couch instilling structure in the team is disingenuous to him.
5. Saadhak is definitely a better fragger but FNS is a better caller so I can see people taking him for his calling.

give FNS Tenz, and he's claiming that masters tokyo also champions 2023

bricky_ [#13]

give FNS Tenz, and he's claiming that masters tokyo also champions 2023

FNS with Sen 🥶🥶

bricky_ [#13]

give FNS Tenz, and he's claiming that masters tokyo also champions 2023

yay clears

Manaphy [#12]

1. Loud put the best talent from Brazil together to make a super team.
2. Acting like the other players on loud weren't world class is disrespectful to those players.
3. Optic ran like a machine with each of the players working together to make them as great as they were so saying he was carrying when they were built to enable yay to carry them isn't saying the full picture.
4. acting like bzka wasn't a good couch instilling structure in the team is disingenuous to him.
5. Saadhak is definitely a better fragger but FNS is a better caller so I can see people taking him for his calling.

Loud put the best talent from Brazil together to make a super team.

holy copium, Less and Aspas were from the WORST TEAMS from brazil before joining loud

their team didnt even go to playoffs
slick (aspas team) was a joke and considered the worst team in brazil, and Less team usually lost to them kekw

alitmanus [#16]

Loud put the best talent from Brazil together to make a super team.

holy copium, Less and Aspas were from the WORST TEAMS from brazil before joining loud

their team didnt even go to playoffs
slick (aspas team) was a joke and considered the worst team in brazil, and Less team usually lost to them kekw

Them being on bad teams has nothing to do with how talented they are as individuals.

BrotherMan [#15]

yay clears

Just imagine SEN with FNS and Chet

Exactly lmao. Moreover Saadhak won Champions a.k.a. the biggest tournament in Valorant, and is much better than FNS mechanically. It helps when you have an IGL who can also shoot well

Manaphy [#17]

Them being on bad teams has nothing to do with how talented they are as individuals.

you said we created a superteam with the best players, when Aspas and Less weren't our best players when Loud was created

I remember the game against Vivo Keyd, everyone expected it to be a close game, and some even thought that Vivo Keyd would win because they had Heat and Mwzera the two "best players" in Brazil at the time. Everyone was surprised when Loud won 2-0

https://www.vlr.gg/post/751710/loud-x-vivo-keyd-tomorrow (MCA saying aspas was "top 2)

fns is great at midrounding
overall sadhaak

Sadhaak is better mechanically but FNS has better calls and midrounding. At the end of the day both are incredible igls in their own right.

Come to LA with a sign that says "fns my daddy", ask your org for a ticket and sit in the crowd cheering for the man who created you

moatz [#2]

Saadhak didn't have yay

Yea but he had Aspas

And less AND pancada AND sacy

alitmanus [#20]

you said we created a superteam with the best players, when Aspas and Less weren't our best players when Loud was created

I remember the game against Vivo Keyd, everyone expected it to be a close game, and some even thought that Vivo Keyd would win because they had Heat and Mwzera the two "best players" in Brazil at the time. Everyone was surprised when Loud won 2-0

https://www.vlr.gg/post/751710/loud-x-vivo-keyd-tomorrow (MCA saying aspas was "top 2)

I said best talent not players and them 2-0ing them should tell you how good the team was when they formed.

Manaphy [#17]

Them being on bad teams has nothing to do with how talented they are as individuals.

don't you know? Aspas was a JOKE before competing on Loud https://www.vlr.gg/post/507939/report-sacy-and-saadhak-to-headline-new-loud-roster

Manaphy [#25]

I said best talent not players and them 2-0ing them should tell you how good the team was when they formed.

the only difference between Loud and any other team is that Loud's picks were accurate and ended up making a good team. They are not a "superteam"

a superteam is a team made up of the best players in each region, such as Fnatic and NAVI. Loud was not created with the best players at the time, Saadhak only bet on Aspas, Pancada and Less and it went well.

if he had picked heat, mwzera and xand then yes it would be a "superteam" built with our best talents at the time

Obviously Sadhaak individually and mechanically is better then FNS. FNS obviously has better calling and mid rounding. I think most ppl associate the best igls with calling rather then actual fragging. I could see why ppl would think sadhaak is the better igl bc he puts up way better numbers but I think the calling part of FNS is so hard to see unless you actually watch the match. If personally had to pick an igl, I would go with FNS because I associate a good igl with calling and not necessarily with their fragging.

alitmanus [#27]

the only difference between Loud and any other team is that Loud's picks were accurate and ended up making a good team. They are not a "superteam"

a superteam is a team made up of the best players in each region, such as Fnatic and NAVI. Loud was not created with the best players at the time, Saadhak only bet on Aspas, Pancada and Less and it went well.

if he had picked heat, mwzera and xand then yes it would be a "superteam" built with our best talents at the time

#26

nutab1e [#26]

don't you know? Aspas was a JOKE before competing on Loud https://www.vlr.gg/post/507939/report-sacy-and-saadhak-to-headline-new-loud-roster

he literally was a joke
many people called him hack

here's a video of Sacy calling him a hack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j91fb_3D0pQ

he did not enter the competitive scene for months because no one wanted to hire him
the org to hire him was Slick, they were a joke, everyone used them as parameter of a shit team
"When does Slick play?"

The English speaking audience relates to FNS, even if they want to follow Saadhak due to his genius, its hard due to the language barrier...I am sure very few Portuguese speaker would rate FNS above Saadhak

Cresp [#24]

And less AND pancada AND sacy

you are talking as if Marved, Victor and Crashies are not comparable them... I think at Loud and Optic's peak they both had insane players in each role, thats why it was always so intense and exciting to watch and they would go back and forth winning games.

alitmanus [#27]

the only difference between Loud and any other team is that Loud's picks were accurate and ended up making a good team. They are not a "superteam"

a superteam is a team made up of the best players in each region, such as Fnatic and NAVI. Loud was not created with the best players at the time, Saadhak only bet on Aspas, Pancada and Less and it went well.

if he had picked heat, mwzera and xand then yes it would be a "superteam" built with our best talents at the time

Loud didn't select them.

Sacy, Saadhak, Pancada, Less, and Aspas all made an orgless team together and shopped around for orgs to sign their entire roster; loud was the one that took a chance on them.

Nachtel [#33]

Loud didn't select them.

Sacy, Saadhak, Pancada, Less, and Aspas all made an orgless team together and shopped around for orgs to sign their entire roster; loud was the one that took a chance on them.

no, when they chose Less they were already under contract with Loud

but yes, it was saadhak and sacy who chose Loud and built the team, and any org would hire them, as they were the most successful players in the scene at the time

One thing people seem to forget is that all of optics core was together and experienced IN VAL
Pancada was a Crossfire Player
Less and Aspas were on frankly Tier 3 teams, both had no reputation or high level experience to their name.
Bzka wasnt Loud's coach actually, he was in charge of admin, which left the stratting and Antistratting to Both Sacy and Saadhak.
Saadhak not only has better Aim today than FNS
He has better Mental (Lev 12-6, DRX Lockin, FNATIC Finals, ETC)
He has had more of a load trainning inexperienced players
He played both without and with a coach and has had 2 different coaches.

Saadhak is the better IGL
(Fns is still good but saadhak wins)

PawanSapkota [#32]

you are talking as if Marved, Victor and Crashies are not comparable them... I think at Loud and Optic's peak they both had insane players in each role, thats why it was always so intense and exciting to watch and they would go back and forth winning games.

Víctor is more of a role player. But I said sacy over crashies because he is very good at nurturing new talent and as a second caller, even though I think crashes is probably better in game. Less is straight up the best or second best player rn.

Nachtel [#11]

1 in Reykjavik vs optic, another in Istanbul vs optic, and including lockin vs fnatic

we don't count show tournaments

mf vlr analysts think they know better

loud- in 1 year and 2 months, 4 international tournaments, 3 finals
optic/envyus in more than 2 years- 6 international tournaments-3 finals

loud has the best win rate we ever saw, btw saadhak reached finals this year with the youngest team in the world(tuyz moving to a role he never play before).

alitmanus [#34]

no, when they chose Less they were already under contract with Loud

but yes, it was saadhak and sacy who chose Loud and built the team, and any org would hire them, as they were the most successful players in the scene at the time

tu ta falando besteira

this is so obvious i won't even argue

brobeans [#37]

we don't count show tournaments

flag

thiagomds [#39]

loud- in 1 year and 2 months, 4 international tournaments, 3 finals
optic/envyus in more than 2 years- 6 international tournaments-3 finals

loud has the best win rate we ever saw, btw saadhak reached finals this year with the youngest team in the world(tuyz moving to a role he never play before).

Still FNS>>> Saadhak ..not even close

Nosk [#40]

tu ta falando besteira

que besteira seu animal, quando o Onur sugeriu o Less para o Saadhak eles já tinham contrato com a Loud

Safi [#43]

Still FNS>>> Saadhak ..not even close

so why Fns said Loud plays the perfect valorant??
holy copium saying Fns is better than saadhak

Imo this is impossible to tell until one plays without their core team. Both amazing igls if I were to give my opinion I think fns is a better caller but saadhak is a better all around player

dephh clears both at the bottom fragging department

PoonRaccoon [#10]

aspas aim diffed yay when he was on chamber and that too in grand finals.

the breeze map still hypes me up when aspas goes god mode in the last 5 rounds + OT

Nachtel [#7]

Because Saadhak can aim and play duelists. FNS is so shit mechanically that when his team beats squads of aim gods it makes you wonder how tf he pulls it off.

They each have their strengths, but when it comes to tactics and mid-rounding, FNS is marginally better.

I mean just look at SEN vs NRG or LOUD vs NRG. You can't say he got carried by Yay and marved after those two performances.

All of this not mentioning how Aspas diffed yay at times even in peak chamber meta

saadhak’s raze has been going downhill lately.. not to mention how saadhak said himself he was completely lost on what to do during nrg vs loud. both have different strengths, fns has better mid-rounding while saadhak has really strong comps and innovative strategies and approach to the game.

cioccolat [#35]

One thing people seem to forget is that all of optics core was together and experienced IN VAL
Pancada was a Crossfire Player
Less and Aspas were on frankly Tier 3 teams, both had no reputation or high level experience to their name.
Bzka wasnt Loud's coach actually, he was in charge of admin, which left the stratting and Antistratting to Both Sacy and Saadhak.
Saadhak not only has better Aim today than FNS
He has better Mental (Lev 12-6, DRX Lockin, FNATIC Finals, ETC)
He has had more of a load trainning inexperienced players
He played both without and with a coach and has had 2 different coaches.

Saadhak is the better IGL
(Fns is still good but saadhak wins)

Bruh how did you get downvoted 💀

cioccolat [#35]

One thing people seem to forget is that all of optics core was together and experienced IN VAL
Pancada was a Crossfire Player
Less and Aspas were on frankly Tier 3 teams, both had no reputation or high level experience to their name.
Bzka wasnt Loud's coach actually, he was in charge of admin, which left the stratting and Antistratting to Both Sacy and Saadhak.
Saadhak not only has better Aim today than FNS
He has better Mental (Lev 12-6, DRX Lockin, FNATIC Finals, ETC)
He has had more of a load trainning inexperienced players
He played both without and with a coach and has had 2 different coaches.

Saadhak is the better IGL
(Fns is still good but saadhak wins)

??????

FNS has INSANE mental bro..

10-4 down versus TGRD, at reykjavik winning lowers and grands 3-0 after losing a huge game against loud in uppers, all DRX series… and he is always competing AGAINST the crowd (ALL tourneys except champions), proving every doubter wrong. the reason he is respected is because despite his very shaky aim, he isnt a drawback in his team because of how smart he is. please lets not forget how crashies and victor were nobodies as well and how fns was able to turn these two into extremely flexible and talented players. then he turned FAZE MARVED (kekw) into a WORLD class controller. then setting up yay from andbox jett to the greatest player in the world during 2022 is extremely impressive. and now s0m is looking to be one of the best controller players in americas league?? after playing duelists (op) previously?? also significant.

saadhak and fns have different strengths, lets not compare the two best igls in the world.

aylez [#51]

??????

FNS has INSANE mental bro..

10-4 down versus TGRD, at reykjavik winning lowers and grands 3-0 after losing a huge game against loud in uppers, all DRX series… and he is always competing AGAINST the crowd (ALL tourneys except champions), proving every doubter wrong. the reason he is respected is because despite his very shaky aim, he isnt a drawback in his team because of how smart he is. please lets not forget how crashies and victor were nobodies as well and how fns was able to turn these two into extremely flexible and talented players. then he turned FAZE MARVED (kekw) into a WORLD class controller. then setting up yay from andbox jett to the greatest player in the world during 2022 is extremely impressive. and now s0m is looking to be one of the best controller players in americas league?? after playing duelists (op) previously?? also significant.

saadhak and fns have different strengths, lets not compare the two best igls in the world.

W

aylez [#49]

saadhak’s raze has been going downhill lately.. not to mention how saadhak said himself he was completely lost on what to do during nrg vs loud. both have different strengths, fns has better mid-rounding while saadhak has really strong comps and innovative strategies and approach to the game.

holy hell he never said he was "completely lost"

FNs has "better mid-round" and optic lost lots of rounds in advantage for Loud in grand finals

holy copium

adilKhan [#50]

Bruh how did you get downvoted 💀

NA and shitMEA circlejerk

they don't want to accept the best IGL itw is south american

both good

alitmanus [#53]

holy hell he never said he was "completely lost"

FNs has "better mid-round" and optic lost lots of rounds in advantage for Loud in grand finals

holy copium

iirc both fns and saadhaak have been quoted talking about different matches and both have said about the other that during a game against the other at times they were completely lost, its called showing respect to the opponent having a good performance, and both have done it.

not all ppl are insecure enough to admit to such things, no need to project, saadhaak and fns are showing respect, holy copium

alitmanus [#53]

holy hell he never said he was "completely lost"

FNs has "better mid-round" and optic lost lots of rounds in advantage for Loud in grand finals

holy copium

delete dub post

brado [#56]

iirc both fns and saadhaak have been quoted talking about different matches and both have said about the other that during a game against the other at times they were completely lost, its called showing respect to the opponent having a good performance, and both have done it.

not all ppl are insecure enough to admit to such things, no need to project, saadhaak and fns are showing respect, holy copium

no, he never said that. he said, in an ironic tone, that he was almost crying because he was running out of strategies
RUNNING OUT OF STRATEGIES. And not that he was lost.

Saadhak always makes these kind of self-deprecating jokes in irony. Just today he did it while analyzing an old match against NIP. Mostof what Saadhak says is sarcasm just for fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu6gNaVZKMU

alitmanus [#58]

no, he never said that. he said, in an ironic tone, that he was almost crying because he was running out of strategies
RUNNING OUT OF STRATEGIES. And not that he was lost.

Saadhak always makes these kind of self-deprecating jokes in irony. Just today he did it while analyzing an old match against NIP. Mostof what Saadhak says is sarcasm just for fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu6gNaVZKMU

oh ok, i guess he doesnt show his opponent respect that way, ironic then

brado [#59]

oh ok, i guess he doesnt show his opponent respect that way, ironic then

Zzz either you are illiterate or you are bad character

obviously he respects FNS, he even said that the game against NRG was going to be the hardest game they had so far at the event, before it happened

which is totally different from you making things up and saying that he was lost. He never said it.

reycac [#42]

flag

riot's and the players' words

Both clears EdgyMEA 😹😹

its too early to tell sadhak or fns is better, imo both needs to prove themselves with different core.

brobeans [#61]

riot's and the players' words

which players,the players which lost?

Safi [#43]

Still FNS>>> Saadhak ..not even close

how many champions he won? LMAOO

Prior to 2023 FNS had been doing it better for longer. Both had a first and second but FNS had never had a BAD tournament. While Saadhak was bounced in the play-ins in S2, FNS had his worst result of the year at third place. His worst result had been third. And then prior to 2022 he had been the superior IGL since he got top 2 in S3 of 2021. Post Lock in I'm ready to rate Saadhak as the best IGL ever but FNS had the best case by far coming into franchising.

monsieur [#63]

its too early to tell sadhak or fns is better, imo both needs to prove themselves with different core.

?
Bro, sadhak already prove it with guys and cauazin

They reach final with completely young team

brobeans [#37]

we don't count show tournaments

We don't count wins that result from half of the best teams being unable to participate.

aylez [#51]

??????

FNS has INSANE mental bro..

10-4 down versus TGRD, at reykjavik winning lowers and grands 3-0 after losing a huge game against loud in uppers, all DRX series… and he is always competing AGAINST the crowd (ALL tourneys except champions), proving every doubter wrong. the reason he is respected is because despite his very shaky aim, he isnt a drawback in his team because of how smart he is. please lets not forget how crashies and victor were nobodies as well and how fns was able to turn these two into extremely flexible and talented players. then he turned FAZE MARVED (kekw) into a WORLD class controller. then setting up yay from andbox jett to the greatest player in the world during 2022 is extremely impressive. and now s0m is looking to be one of the best controller players in americas league?? after playing duelists (op) previously?? also significant.

saadhak and fns have different strengths, lets not compare the two best igls in the world.

i had no idea, W FiNESSE

alitmanus [#44]

que besteira seu animal, quando o Onur sugeriu o Less para o Saadhak eles já tinham contrato com a Loud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRoB9RjpyaI
a partir dos 4 minutos.
AGORA ME FALE A PARTE ONDE FALA QUE O QUANDO O ONUR SUGERUI O LESS ELES JÁ ERAM CONTRATADOS PELA LOUD, SENDO QUE O PROPRIO SACY JÁ FALOU QUE PRIMEIRO ELE QUERIA MONTAR O TIME PRA DEPOIS COLOCAR NO MERCADO.