Daily reminder that Americas has the worst fans. Sore losers from Brazil all the way to canada.
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lil bro, argentina is the most racist country in the planet, dont say they are cool. Whenever there is a football match in argentina with some brazilian team, the argentineans use negro/macaco(monkey) as insults to the brazilian people that goes to watch there, and its not just brazilians, they hate colombians bolivians, peruvians, mexicans, basically every other country "above" them. Even their president has some bad lines
Uruguay is whatever, seems nice actually
yes, but the difference is that, in brazil, while there is racism there are also people who know it is wrong and try to fight it, there are more people aware of it. In Argentina they don't have that, the majority are either racist or people who think racism is normal, no big deal. Racist terms like monkey are even used in the headlines of major newspapers in Argentina, as in the case of the newspaper "Olé" in Argentina, which at the time of the Olympics (1996), with Argentina already qualified for the football final and waiting for the definition of the another finalist between brazil and nigeria, posted a headline with the title "Que vengan los macacos" (let the monkeys come). If it were in Brazil, there would be a hell of a fuss, of course there would be people who don't think it's a big deal, people who even agree, but there are also people who know it's fucking wrong, something that doesn't exist in Argentina
Se você conheceu um argentino que está em outro país, a probabilidade dele ser alguém de mente mais aberta é grande. Pegou uma amostra viciada.
Já morei na Argentina, e eles se enxergam como europeus, por isso cantam "viemos de barco", inclusive figuras importantes lá tem esse pensamento. Chegam a ter preconceito com brasileiro, e olha que o país deles tá na merda.
Never said the opposite. But you don't see it in this forum. In HLTV Scandinavian nationalism and god complex hit so hard especially in 2013-2016.
But you have to take into account that they dominated back then. The problem with NA per say, is that win or lose, they will always misconstrue nationalism for patriotism. They will call you poor because you're from a bankrupt country, they will say Brazilians are just criminals from favelas (unless they need to steal Loud's achievements), indians third worlders and so on. They're never humble. It's the same for Brazil, but since you're also an oppressed country, no criticism must be given by another western country because you will flag it as colonialism mindset (however the fuck a person playing valorant from 2023 can have such a mindset). The prime example was the very constructive criticism about the Sao Paolo crowd.
maybe not openly in this forum, but i dont think its a coincidence, and i do believe there are socioeconomic and racial prejudices that lead to people from some regions (poor regions) being more hated here, like brazil and india, as you mentioned in HLTV. and even NA and EMEA, who love to bicker each other, but truly have a more frenemy relationship in valorant, unite against poor regions. dont you think this is driven by racism?
ETA: i 100% agree with using Sao Paulo as an example. but here socio-economics play a part again, because although i think its ugly the crowd vanished to see fnatic crowning winners, a lot of people explained some stuff that were ignored: food was expansive and people were hungry, it was hot as hell, i saw a lot of people complaining about feeling dizzy and watching the game from outside the gynasium on their cellphones, the whole thing about transportation etc. obviously if loud won people would stayed. you endure more for the things you like, as the team you support. all those things are valid reasons that people from richer country dont seem (or dont want to) grasp. i still think its embarassing for brazil, but i can relate to the reasons that lead to it, while NA and EMEA just dont (or dont even try to listen, in some cases. some people really hate us and just want more fuel to do so. not everyone. every region has bad apples and i am not gonna make the same mistake some does of generalizing)
i do know but its still very different about third world country realities. i know greece has struggled many times, but you guys are EU members, you dont have to deal with having a currency that is worth nothing, for example. i dont want to dismiss greece's or other poorer european countries struggles, but yeah, you guys are usually not the one perpetuating hate agasint third world countries anyway. maybe because you can relate more, idk. but even on poorer countries, there's still can happen racial stuff. idk if greeks are seem as white in europe, but people from balkans/eastern europeans usually are (maybe not? in brazil they'd be white, but racial reading varies in different contexts) while we are still brown. even people considered white in brazil are seem as POC in US and EU.
and about being called poor by indians and brazilians, there are trolls and toxic people everywhere. i'd love to be poor in greece, seems like a lovely country, with amazing history and food. (ETA: "poor", i mean in the sense i am poor in brazil, i'd prefer to be poor in EU member country with lovely beaches and all. but it was insensible since idk about poor greeks reality)
i think its pretty dumb to generalize a region because there are toxic people from there, there are rotten people everywhere. i see you are smart, tho, so i expected more
Yeah no. Don't get me wrong, leaving after the match wasn't the worst thing. My biggest criticism for the crowd was it missing for every non-BR game, which ruined the viewing experience since there were so many hype plays, but not crowd there to support them.
And this is criticism towards BR eSports crowd. The world cup crowd for example was a spectacle.
i understand that, it was frustating for me too.
but tbh i only notice it happening early on. after playoffs, there was crowd for every match. yeah, more for brazilian and latam teams, yeah, some people left early to enjoy carnival, but there was still an ok amount of people, at least in my opinion.
imo, the problem is: lock/in was a really long tournament, there was many many games and i think its natural that people prioritized "better games" (end of tournament/teams they like). most people i know that went to lock/in had to travel or get a unpaied day off, so why would they want to see RRQ x FUT for such a high price?
we never had and probably never will, since lock/in was unique, a tournament as long as we had, so this was a new problem.
Lmao are you fucking serious?
Look at your first comments lol, shitting on NA every single day, this is just an example:
"I didn't switch shit. You are an idiot trying to twist words to fit your own dumbass interpretation. I said that since 90% of pro valorant is CS isn't it normal to assume 90% of valorant is from CS? It's the closest thing we can have to a statistic.
Anyway, I see you are an insecure overwatch NA fanboy butthurt that we've fused the words NA and Garbage in the same meaning for the past 20 years and 20 esports."
i'm 20 pages in my profile i still can't find it. meanwhile:
https://www.vlr.gg/user/moatz
https://www.vlr.gg/user/gamr
https://www.vlr.gg/user/alitmanus
and these are just people i found in this thread. You go into their profiles and you won't have to read past three comments to find the most racist/toxic/vile shit.
And that's the reality for the average NA/BR fan. These people are just examples and living proof that NA/BR fans are the most toxic and sore losers in the history of esports.
don't waste your time responding this clown
shitMEA are most toxic and racist on this site
here's an example (he literally said brazilian women are "filthy")
https://i.imgur.com/HPFVzxK.png
and this guy got upfrags from other shitMEA fans kekw
Hekzy I 100% agree with you, but you have to realise most of the American fans are so brainwashed into nationalistic and patriotic thinking that it is impossible to speak to them on level terms. We can speak to each other about the flaws of European countries in a respectful and good faith upholding way, but when you talk to these people, the moment you criticize anything about them they see you as wrong/racist because they are so in love with their own nation/people that they aren't ever listening to what you have to say because they 100% believe their country is faultless. Its scary to see honestly.
People like alitmanus will call other countries education/culture shit without hesitation, but the second you say literally anything about brazil the flood gates of abuse open. This seems to be a culture issue (yes i am criticising it) and it doesn't matter how many posts you make its going to be the same. You are fighting a losing battle, just try not to interact with Brazilians/americans in any sort of discussion where you aren't in agreement; Life becomes much easier that way.
Its weird how you guys are so down to make jokes, you'd think we'd be able to joke with you about things as well without receiving death threats or being told to not play the victim (I am in no way a victim as my brain works and I can think independently outside of the country I was born in).
I think UK's education is pretty bad, I agree with you even if you are joking. As I am a functioning member of society and I don't gain any value from fighting for my country in online forums I take no offence in you stating if my countries education is good or bad, even as a joke.
"Us" talking about wealth inequality in your perfect country (I have never done this personally as once again, I gain nothing for fighting people about their nationality) shouldn't offend you, if its true, then its true and hiding from it and being proud of your country regardless makes you the problem, if it's false then once again it shouldn't offend you as it isn't real.
the difference is that I only talk abt these things in response to someone who brought up the subject
while you talk about criminality or poverty in Brazil simply to offend us when you get pissed because our teams are doing well in valorant (Poverty in Brazil isn't even that high lol. Brazil problem is unequality, not poverty)
you guys use our criminal rate to offend us bcuz you cant criticise us at valorant since we are chad in it
This is the issue. "You guys" . I have never said anything like this, so is it that you think everyone from the same country must share the same beliefs? I am truly in the mind that if you are discussing anything outside of valorant you are not in the right place, so why should I be lumped in with "you guys" and this us vs them narrative when I am here to discuss valorant?
Also if people are mentioning the criminal rate... why does it matter/offend you? Bad things are allowed to happen in your country, no need to be ashamed if its true, or angry if it isn't. It does not matter at all... and if you know people are doing it to annoy you, why do you do it back, to people who don't even engage with that in the first place.
Me being European has nothing to do with my argument. If I was from anywhere else in the world I would also be ashamed of people from my country having delusional pride and fighting people online for literally no reason. To me the country/continent I was born in does not represent me as a person, and I am able to form my own unique thoughts outside of the country I was born in.
its hard to find the correct signifier, I could say "some" instead of "most" or a word in between, but I am talking about the valorant fans that he'll be interacting with on this website so most would be more accurate due to this region pride cringe shit going on. HAHA EU > NA like who cares.
Obviously I treat everyone irl with 0 bias or prejudice because there is 0 chance i meet any of these basement dwellers anywhere else other than on this website. But on this website people are stuck in this positive feedback loop where they see people constantly battling between regions and think this is a normal thing to do.
its all good I understand what you are saying. I miss read a bit earlier.
I think what we see on these sites are the most hardcore of fans for whatever fan base and it gets heated. NA gets called shit (not in a constructive way) which is true but also that influences the people you have interactions with. Meaning if all they see is people talking trash they are less likely to have constructive meaningful conversations.
yea thats why I was saying its a battle not worth fighting, there is no point in hekzy trying to change the way it is because its always gonna be like this as its a never ending
region 1 calls region 2 shit
region 2 sees this and calls region 1 shit
region 3 sees this and joins in
region 1 sees 2 regions call them shit and calls them both shit
It never ends
I will show you my perspective as a Brazilian on nationalism/patriotism. First, the two terms are different. According to wikipedia: Nationalism considers other nations and peoples inferior to the nationalist. Now, being a patriot implies loving your nation. I see, in the case of Brazil, that we are patriots. We love our people, who are warriors and, even against the shitty situation we live in, we try to make out of life something good and, even though life is more difficult than people in developed countries (for a lot of reasons) we still manage to fight head-on when it comes to sports and e-sports. We love our land, which is blessed by nature, our people, culture, everything, but we know that we are not perfect, that we are poor, that our politicians are corrupt and all that. Many Brazilians dream of moving to another country, either to study or work. But even with all that, we still love each other. Now, put yourself in our situation: imagine that someone, who doesn't know anything about you (foreigners have no idea what really goes on in our country and know nothing about our culture), speaks ill of something you love , I don't know, speak ill of your mother, your family, your pet, you'll go crazy, right? You will say "shut up asshole". You know your mother isn't perfect, your family has problems, your pet isn't perfect either and maybe the person who complained about them is right, but you love them, you can't stand someone, other than yourself, complaining about them. It's exactly like that with us Brazilians. We speak ill of ourselves, we have many internal intrigues, but when someone from the outside speaks ill of us, we go crazy.
About the US, I believe it is nationalism. I could be wrong, obviously, I'm not from there, but from the outside it seems to me that they simply feel superior, either because of economy, structure, historic questions, for whatever reason, but I feel a superiority complex coming from them. But I could be wrong obviously
i appreciate you taking the time to write this out. I understand where you’re coming from and agree with the patriotism vs nationalism part, my bad for grouping it together when they are very different.
I’m still of the belief that you can love something regardless of it’s flaws, i think we both agree on that, but I think where we disagree is on this.
I don't know, speak ill of your mother, your family, your pet, you'll go crazy, right? You will say "shut up asshole"
If someone from the outside who has never met my mum speaks ill of them it wouldn’t faze me at all because they obviously don’t know anything and me reacting to it puts me at their level. Obviously if we were out in public and someone said to her she was ugly/fat and it upset her I would be pissed, but if it’s just some random timmy from US who has lived a privileged life calling my country shit why should I care.
The thing that annoys me is the double standards and blatant ignorance a lot of Brazilians/Americans have when it comes to blow for blow. Like you are both allowed to shit talk other countries “because they do it as well” and enjoy doing it, all the while getting way too emotional and angry when they do it back.
lol proof you are a dumb human. never used that in my life.
unlike you I recognize that every region has toxic shitters emea is definitely included. you are acting like a winy little kid. "boo some mean men from another country said something mean" Grow up that shit happens everywhere. Just because you are viewing it from your perspective does not change anything. emea is not exempt from toxicity many of you have a severe superiority complex probably coming to CS.
But at least the sane people from emea are great to interact with. you are not one of them btw.
The point is who has the worst toxic shitters. And BR+NA wins the pot by a lot. Never seen more arrogant and toxic losers in my life. Yet, after so much shit talking, you all still claim that EMEA is the most toxic, a blatant lie. After all, this thread is proof in itself, as all the answers are just plain out toxic. Just people circle jerking shit takes.
"you are not one of them btw." You're hurting my feelings
honestly, we all are sore losers here, including EMEA. did you forget about how old FPX cried like babies because of riot's ruling on XSET turret?
but yeah, brazil is a sore loser too, NA too, LATAM too, pacific too. sore losers all over the globe, and i am included in this.
honestly, although i used old FPX as an example, the players are usually way more mature than the public about losing. we are the crybabies. this forum specially is a never ending source of tears. we all here do things we dislike when done against us. we all should be better.
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