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Btw, this 6 months is not starting from now, it is up until September.

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Thanks for the clarification. Its not like its mentioned two times in the article

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When I posted this, it wasn't mentioned anywhere. This is an edited article.

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Ok, sorry then, obviously didnt know that

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No need to apologize bro

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I made a mistake and made a bitchy remark, I think this needs an apology lol

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everyone here makes bitchy remarks it's ok

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much respect for realizing your wrongs and apologizing. seeing this more and more makes me happy

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respect.

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he posted it when the article literally didn’t provide shit, the writer edited it

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Following an investigation into sexual abuse allegations and initial suspension in March, Jay "sinatraa" Won has been suspended for a period of six months until September 10, 2021 due to violation of Rule 8.1 of the Valorant Global Competition Policy.

This is literally all that was in the article at the time, I don’t blame you though, the writer shouldn’t have published it with so little information in the first place smh

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makes sense. I hope the legal stuff is filled out before he gets on a new team or rejoins sentinels

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i think he said on his gf's stream that he might not come back to the pro scene

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yeah i dont know if he will, but if he does he needs to get this legal stuff filled out and probably a better apology than the one he has done

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finally

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good

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so is he free after that or???

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I assume, that as long as they(Riot) don't receive some extreme public push-back or he doesn't lose a legal case, he can compete.

But whether he will is another question.

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the question is if the allegations end up to be true (everything points they are) what team will be willing to be affiliated with him

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Yeah, well it's a complex PR thing and we won't know until the jury is out on what facts are relevant, whether anything was taken out of context etc... That's something which is still ongoing, so we'll see.

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honestly big for sinatraa, I wasn't even sure if he was gonna be able to return at all. even though I don't support sexual abuse, It is very weird how cleo deleted her extra claims

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I heard somewhere that she revealed sinatraa’s phone number or smth in the extra claims, and that’s why she deleted them

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her new twitlonger goes over that don't remember what she said otherwise I would tell

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full article: https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/competitive-ruling-jay-sinatraa-won/

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Jay “Sinatraa” Won has violated Rule 8.1 of the VALORANT Global Competition Policy for failing to fully cooperate with the Tournament Operator’s investigation and will be suspended for six months.

Source: https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/competitive-ruling-jay-sinatraa-won/

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six months is really low for a sexual abuse without answers of Sinatraa...I hate it too much. A shitty player like this should be banned all the life...

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you don't know what actually happened behind the scenes, it's stupid that he's not suspended for longer, but honestly, you don't know about everything.

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He said fake news and he doesnt cooperate with the investigation...It's difficult to see 6 months is enough...

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Reason for the 6 month suspension:

Jay “Sinatraa” Won has violated Rule 8.1 of the VALORANT Global Competition Policy for failing to fully cooperate with the Tournament Operator’s investigation and will be suspended for six months.

Source: https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/competitive-ruling-jay-sinatraa-won/

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yeah i saw it. He can keep abusing another girls for 6 months more

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they ban him 6 months not because of sexual abuse, but because of him providing false statement and not cooperating in investigation

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Nice buddy, I was wrong. I agree with that.

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He was suspended for violating rule 8.1 which has nothing to due with sexual abuse. He was suspended for not cooperating with the investigation. As the article states Riot referred the investigation to law enforcement which has not been completed yet. In the meantime Riot suspended him for 6 months for violating rule 8.1. If the external investigation of sexual abuse being done by law enforcement finds sinatraaa guilty I'm sure Riot would suspend him for even longer. What do you expect of Riot? For them to ban him for life for sexual abuse when the investigation isn't complete?

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so he is not guilty still? why the six months then

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for not compiling "Jay “Sinatraa” Won has violated Rule 8.1 of the VALORANT Global Competition Policy for failing to fully cooperate with the Tournament Operator’s investigation and will be suspended for six months. He will also be required to complete professional conduct and professional conduct training."

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Reason for the 6 month suspension:

Jay “Sinatraa” Won has violated Rule 8.1 of the VALORANT Global Competition Policy for failing to fully cooperate with the Tournament Operator’s investigation and will be suspended for six months.

Source: https://playvalorant.com/en-us/news/esports/competitive-ruling-jay-sinatraa-won/

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ai ai thank you both :)

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Dont you think that it would make more sense to read the article and find out everything you want to know yourself instead of trusting random people to retell stuff to you?

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ken die kech, kenia
negeer die kech, nigeria
ik ga d'r in, india
Bel die bitch, belgie
jij krijgt nee, nederland
pak je rust, rusland
pak die shit, pakistan
ik ga eng, engeland

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so 4 months left until he can come back, and he definitely is guilty of something since they gave a sentence so idk
edit : he just didn't cooperate fully with the investigation

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If he isn't guilty why is he banned at all? If he is why isn't he permanently banned? Riot wants to have it both ways.

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you wanna know read the article which details the ruling :)

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then maybe he should be banned indefinitely until the police's investigations conclude? (as i proposed)

braindead fanboys and rapist apologists everywhere. keep downvoting

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The ban is because he didn't cooperate with the investigation, not to do with allegations. Whether he is innocent or guilty has nothing to do with this suspension. If he is guilty, chances are he will be suspended for much longer. If he is innocent, he can begin playing professionally September 10.

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Imagine the scandal it would create if he plays in Masters 3 and wins it and the day after he gets arrested. What a great look for this esports scene. That's why indefinitely is better, if he is proven innocent earlier, he can play earlier, if he is not, he can't. That simple.

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I understand the your reasoning. Riot is in a no win situation here. Personally I think they have done the correct decisions. But whatever decision they take there's compromises. Do you ban a possible innocent person for a crime they may not have committed (And he is innocent right now. Whether people think he is guilty or not it doesn't matter. He's hasn't been found guilty legally. Riot has to look after themselves too. If Sinnatra is innocent, it leaves it wide open for Riot to be involved in a counter suit when he goes after his ex for basically ruining his career.)

If he is guilty, you look bad for the reasons you outlined. Riot has showed IMO they are taking this serious with the immediate suspension when this went live, and the 6 month ban for not cooperating.

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There's no police involved. Just riot and friends

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If he lied and/or withheld information during investigation this suspension seems fine. Nevertheless, I don't know what to think about game developers playing cops and laying law...

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Their not playing cops and laying law. Why do you think they referred the sexual abuse allegations to law enforcement? Sinatraaa signed a contract to play competitive valorant. In that contract includes rule 8.1 which sinatraaa violated causing the six month suspension.

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Sorry I wasn't clear enough so you missed my point and stance completely. Ofc they should report such allegations and suspend him, duh.
In my book he'll always have an asterisk on his name.

I'm well-versed in contract law, ty. In general and philosophically though, I have questions and reservations how this will work in the future.

Let me have my doubts and stance, you may continue running around yapping and strawmanning. Have a good day, sir.

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Is this a joke....? No one was trying to change your stance or take your precious doubts away from you. Princess makkikalli of Finland (clearly the softest nation in the world) should refrain from future postings on public forums if they don't want a response.

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Hmm maybe he isn't guilty of sexual assault but maybe he was just a bad person so they handed just 6 months, it seems like if he was guilty of sexual assault he would get a way longer ban.

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pretty sure thats the whole thing. he didnt give evidence so they couldnt find out everything about case. and he was suspended for not providing'

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Sure, good ol' bad person suspension.

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hmmm maybe if you read the article, you will understand why it is only 6 months ban

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I read the article yes, but I feel like not cooperating and the investigation concluding for this most part this early means that riot probably still got some information

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I swear people can't read

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I like Sinatraa as a player but definitely not as a person.

Read this taken from the Valorant article: "It was determined that on at least two occasions Sinatraa misrepresented certain facts, made false statements, and did not cooperate with the investigation in a way expected of a professional VALORANT esports player. Of note, Sinatraa’s public commitment on social media to provide the full audio and video clip referenced in the original post was never fulfilled. Cooperation in these investigations is of the utmost importance, especially when the nature of the allegations is as serious as sexual assault. This behavior will not be tolerated by VALORANT Esports."

Not sure about this. 6 months?

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"While the investigation did not come to a definitive conclusion on the underlying allegations, the Competitive Operations team had serious concerns with Sinatraa’s conduct during the course of the investigation."

So basically he got banned for 6 months because he failed to compy with the investigation, so is he a fucking rapist or not riot i want to know

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will never know. Unless Jay confess, or there is 3rd party witness, it is literally just 'he said, she said'.

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8.1.Investigations by the Tournament Operator
The Tournament Operator will have the right to monitor compliance with this Global
Policy and the applicable Event
-Specific Rules and investigate possible breaches. By
agreeing to this Global Policy, each Team Member agrees to cooperate with the
Tournament Operator in any internal or external
investigation that the Tournament
Operator conducts relating to a suspected violation of this Global Policy, the applicable
Event
-Specific Rules or applicable law. Team Members have a duty to tell the truth in
connection with any investigation conducted by or for the Tournament Operator and have
a further duty not to obstruct any such investigation, mislead investigators or withhold
evidence

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lblshtlz5vnsqda/AABIELy6jk2dDK3xPuD_FUeca?dl=0&preview=VCT+Global+Competition+Policy+v1.2.pdf

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Seems unlikely he goes back to sentinels. Even law enforcement may not be able to find a legal solution. Most likely could lead to some sort of settlement. The fact he isn't cooperating is not a good look regardless of what happened behind the scenes and is another reason a top-tier org would be hesitant to pick him up (actual allegations, obstruction/not cooperating, general persona of the dude)

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Is Sinatraa training right now?? Because if he is not training, he will not compete in 2021

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is he banned 6 months from valorant or just the pro scene?

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This is ruling only concerns VCT, I think. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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at this point his career is over

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I wouldn’t say that. He seems to have plenty of supporters left...

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His professional career I would say is definitely over. He'll most likely still have a decent following with his streams. Nothing compared to before tho imo.

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Robert Downey Jr was addicted to drugs and didn't have sexual abuse allegations from what I know. Plus he owned up to his shit, went to treatment, and spent years proving he was a better person, all to get a second chance. I never liked sinatraaa at all, way to cocky and arrogant, prolly cuz he's so young. I wouldn't miss him. But imo cleos initial claims that she released to the public is nothing even close to what is needed to convict or even convince me of sexual assualt. Just my opinion. I do think he's a shitty person just saying the obective evidence isnt there.

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If you want to compare his case with another you should do it with Kevin Spacey's or Harvey Weinstein's. Those are more related to Sinatraa's situation

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There it is a big difference between them, Robert Downey having a drug addiction only effects him and his body, not to say it doesnt really matter if somebody has a drug abuse problem cause they are hurting themselves.
Now days having any type of rape or assault allegations can ruin your career even if at the end of the day the justice says u are not guilty in the public eye u will always have a black mark.
This means if u join a team sponsor or investors are not going to be interested on being vinculated to somebody with that "black mark" cause for some people even if it sounds baindead it would mean they suppot that type of behaviour.
Thats why Riot at first stance tryied to get involved in the situation cause they have history of that type of behaviour on their own, and would get punished in the public eye if they dont take action, the same goes with sentinels.
Sinatraa not cooperating with the investigation is what makes me worried fr, somebody who is not guilty has nothing to hide and the fact that he is hidding information makes the public eye believe that those accusations may be real.

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He tweeted about Riot statement. All he said was that he would work on becoming a better person and nothing was said to support his side. At this point, even he accepted that he did wrong things to his ex. So, no one should defend him now. https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1srmq3u

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Sinatraa's Response Summary:

"I said that I would provide the video/audio that she used in her statement because we genuinely thought that the video would have to be shared in full since it’s a key part in the investigation. However that did not happen and I should not have promised something I could not personally deliver.

I hurt Cleo emotionally and I’m truly sorry about it. I will learn from my mistakes and keep on trying to improve myself as a person".

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nothing is for certain yet, so people shouldn't be too harsh. If she was sexually assaulted it must feel horrible, but if he is innocent I bet having an entire community flaming you feels just as bad. Let's see how it plays out in the next few weeks. He said he would be streaming soon and he surely has a lot to explain.

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sorry, where did he say that he was gonna stream soon? i havent heard anything about that

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he said it on his gf stream

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Bruh I just wanna see this dude play again. He was so good.

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jay won found the new unlimited sexual assault glitch for riot games incompetence speedrun !!!!!!!!!!!

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uhm for now, we may see it as it is but who knows? Robert Downey was prisoned due to drugs but look at him now. We cannot tell what will happen in the future. But I still want jay to play in pro scene.

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I like this decision. Makes me believe they will do the right decision when the verdict comes.

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well no point of speculating here
if court deicide he innocent, would be extremely dumb to cut such a talented played from a team

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here's the thing, courts very rarely are able to find ppl guilty on rape and abuse cases because the level of proof is very high and much of the physical proof ceases to exist relatively quickly. So Cleo may be telling the truth and Sinatra's still not found guilty doesn't hes innocent. This is well documented (you can even Google it and tell me I'm lieing if you want) and part of the reason less cases are being reported in the first place and more come out on social media

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Him and his lawyer probably looked over the video and it probably makes him look worse.

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Sinatraa handed six month suspension by Riot

Sinatraa's Response Summary: