What are your top 5 EU teams?
My opinion:
- FPX - I still think that they are the best, just pretty unlucky
2./3. Fnatic/Liquid - I'm not sure which one is better - Heretics
- Guild
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At the moment (and of course, from my point of view):
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Fnatic - Despite of losing against Liquid in the Finals, from my point of view is a team worth watching and which has a huge potential with their recent changes.
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FPX - They are just performing ok, but they are not the same they were in the beginning of VALORANT. They were scarier than they are now.
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Acend - cNed is just performing as a monster every game, Koldamenta is probably the best IGL in EU atm = Huge team
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G2 - First point, I'm a fan, I refuse to take them below Top 4. Second, they are good players, they are not having the best of their performances, but they will come back stronger (I feel like the roster changes being "announced" is going to make a difference)
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Heretics - They have been performing well so far, but I don't think the roster changes they are proposing are going to be good for them at all. Anyway, let's see what happens.
Uhoxy [#3]At the moment (and of course, from my point of view):
Fnatic - Despite of losing against Liquid in the Finals, from my point of view is a team worth watching and which has a huge potential with their recent changes.
FPX - They are just performing ok, but they are not the same they were in the beginning of VALORANT. They were scarier than they are now.
Acend - cNed is just performing as a monster every game, Koldamenta is probably the best IGL in EU atm = Huge team
G2 - First point, I'm a fan, I refuse to take them below Top 4. Second, they are good players, they are not having the best of their performances, but they will come back stronger (I feel like the roster changes being "announced" is going to make a difference)
Heretics - They have been performing well so far, but I don't think the roster changes they are proposing are going to be good for them at all. Anyway, let's see what happens.
liquid?
Uhoxy [#3]At the moment (and of course, from my point of view):
Fnatic - Despite of losing against Liquid in the Finals, from my point of view is a team worth watching and which has a huge potential with their recent changes.
FPX - They are just performing ok, but they are not the same they were in the beginning of VALORANT. They were scarier than they are now.
Acend - cNed is just performing as a monster every game, Koldamenta is probably the best IGL in EU atm = Huge team
G2 - First point, I'm a fan, I refuse to take them below Top 4. Second, they are good players, they are not having the best of their performances, but they will come back stronger (I feel like the roster changes being "announced" is going to make a difference)
Heretics - They have been performing well so far, but I don't think the roster changes they are proposing are going to be good for them at all. Anyway, let's see what happens.
Lol mans didn't even put the masters 2 qualifier (Team Liquid) in his thing... that would be like me putting TSM at 2nd cuz I like them and not putting SEN in at all cuz I hate them.... this is horrendous
1 - Fnatic - They lost to Liquid but I think both teams were trying to not show tactics and Liquid just won on the fundamentals. While I think both teams are amazing, Fnatic is always prepared, they study their opponents A LOT, and their tactics are incredible. That's where I think they shine.
2 - Liquid - Incredible mechanical players, no need to mention how good Scream is cause everyone knows that already. L1NK is a clutch god and I think they have one of the best coaches in the world, Sliggy.
3 - FPX - I think they were a little under-prepared going into the qualifiers but they are a very consistent team.
4 - Guild - I think Yacine can be a bit hit or miss but Leo is one of the best players in the world in my opinion. This team has so much potential especially if it turns out to be Astra meta.
5 - Ascent/Gambit - I think both these teams are on the same caliber right now. Great players all around but both teams can be inconsistent sometimes.
JLock [#9]1 - Fnatic - They lost to Liquid but I think both teams were trying to not show tactics and Liquid just won on the fundamentals. While I think both teams are amazing, Fnatic is always prepared, they study their opponents A LOT, and their tactics are incredible. That's where I think they shine.
2 - Liquid - Incredible mechanical players, no need to mention how good Scream is cause everyone knows that already. L1NK is a clutch god and I think they have one of the best coaches in the world, Sliggy.
3 - FPX - I think they were a little under-prepared going into the qualifiers but they are a very consistent team.
4 - Guild - I think Yacine can be a bit hit or miss but Leo is one of the best players in the world in my opinion. This team has so much potential especially if it turns out to be Astra meta.
5 - Ascent/Gambit - I think both these teams are on the same caliber right now. Great players all around but both teams can be inconsistent sometimes.
Flair checks out.
deva [#10]Flair checks out.
How about refuting my arguments instead? This is a thread for people to express their opinions so what's yours?
JLock [#9]1 - Fnatic - They lost to Liquid but I think both teams were trying to not show tactics and Liquid just won on the fundamentals. While I think both teams are amazing, Fnatic is always prepared, they study their opponents A LOT, and their tactics are incredible. That's where I think they shine.
2 - Liquid - Incredible mechanical players, no need to mention how good Scream is cause everyone knows that already. L1NK is a clutch god and I think they have one of the best coaches in the world, Sliggy.
3 - FPX - I think they were a little under-prepared going into the qualifiers but they are a very consistent team.
4 - Guild - I think Yacine can be a bit hit or miss but Leo is one of the best players in the world in my opinion. This team has so much potential especially if it turns out to be Astra meta.
5 - Ascent/Gambit - I think both these teams are on the same caliber right now. Great players all around but both teams can be inconsistent sometimes.
Agree with everything, but maybe Gambit fourth and Guild 5.
p1lot [#13]1-Liquid
2-Fnatic
3-FPX
4-Gambit
5-G2
G2 have not even qualified for anything since Feb. Maybe on paper they got some good players now, but it probably still requires some time to mesh
Ibis [#16]1) FNATIC
2) Liquid
3) FPX
4) new G2 with kolda, nukkye, avova
5) BDS
6) Gambit
7) Acend
8) New heretics
Of course G2 and BDS are quite hote takes, but I think with the new roster and some time praccing behind closed doors, especially thanks to the IGL abilities of koldamenta G2 can regain their strength.
BDS players are all mechanically so good, have good chemistry and I rate them always pretty high
Ibis [#17]Of course G2 and BDS are quite hote takes, but I think with the new roster and some time praccing behind closed doors, especially thanks to the IGL abilities of koldamenta G2 can regain their strength.
BDS players are all mechanically so good, have good chemistry and I rate them always pretty high
If the rumours are true I think Acend was really dumb for the trade and G2 will certainly benefit However, M1xwell seems to me like a 1 trick Jett and Nukkye too on Raze. And personally, I don't think 2 duelist meta is the way to go. If those 2 players get some versatility with their agent pools I think they will definitely be one of the best in EU, if not then I think they will stay around the 7th/8th/9th place in EU.
JLock [#12]How about refuting my arguments instead? This is a thread for people to express their opinions so what's yours?
FNATIC got rolled in the seeding match... refute that
GetsystheGr8 [#20]FNATIC got rolled in the seeding match... refute that
I did. Read the actual post and you will find my answer.
Leonskii [#5]liquid?
Yeah, they are doing nice, but I feel like they win when Scream has a good day and can carry them, I don't find them really good at strats and other stuff.
GetsystheGr8 [#6]Lol mans didn't even put the masters 2 qualifier (Team Liquid) in his thing... that would be like me putting TSM at 2nd cuz I like them and not putting SEN in at all cuz I hate them.... this is horrendous
It's just an opinion mate, I put the teams that I consider are better, read the top comment if you feel like doing it.
By the way, Gambit is not EU.
JLock [#21]I did. Read the actual post and you will find my answer.
Wtf u mean not trying to show tactics? They already showed all of them while they tried to reach the finals.... plus ur crazy if u think the strats they used in VCT challengers finals will be the same as the ones they use in Masters... so yea ur argument is just ignoring fact that they had no reason to hide any strats since they already showed all them to get to the final
GetsystheGr8 [#24]Wtf u mean not trying to show tactics? They already showed all of them while they tried to reach the finals.... plus ur crazy if u think the strats they used in VCT challengers finals will be the same as the ones they use in Masters... so yea ur argument is just ignoring fact that they had no reason to hide any strats since they already showed all them to get to the final
First of all: they didn't get 'rolled', they lost 3-2.
Second: How would you even know they showed ALL their tactics? The less they show the better. They played a 3 duelist comp against TL for the first time. You think that was their tactic mate? They were trying not to show off what they've got.
Third: EVEN IF what you said checks out, then by that logic, V1 is the 2nd best NA team because they beat all the other teams except SEN. Beating a team doesn't necessarily mean they are better than the team they beat. I think Fnatic is SLIGHTLY better than Liquid right now. Period.
Uhoxy [#23]It's just an opinion mate, I put the teams that I consider are better, read the top comment if you feel like doing it.
By the way, Gambit is not EU.
Gambit has to qual with EU teams... so they are from EU just like Turkey
prep0p [#4]Maybe not unlucky but "cursed" - they beat everyone, but once it matters, they lose: first strike semifinals, masters semifinals,...
losing once it matters, so they are just bad when every team is try harding, not unlucky or cursed.
prep0p [#4]Maybe not unlucky but "cursed" - they beat everyone, but once it matters, they lose: first strike semifinals, masters semifinals,...
It's called not knowing how to play under pressure, and it's a big problem
FilthyAnimal [#32]
- Acend (GOD CNED)
- TL (GOD SCREAM)
- FPX (GOD ZYPPAN)
- FNC (GOD DERKE)
- Gambit (GOD nAts)
- New G2 (GOD NUKKYE)
- New Heretics (GOD LOWEL)
- Guild (GOD YACINE)
Honorable Mentions:
BDS (TRASH AKUMA)
Vitality (TRASH JESMUND)
NiP (TRASH CREA)
OXG (TRASH TURKS)
BDS is very bad now they got destroyed by Vitality and Entropiq
Ibis [#16]1) FNATIC
2) Liquid
3) FPX
4) new G2 with kolda, nukkye, avova
5) BDS
6) Gambit
7) Acend
8) New heretics
BDS Lost to Vitality and Entropiq recently
JLock [#25]First of all: they didn't get 'rolled', they lost 3-2.
Second: How would you even know they showed ALL their tactics? The less they show the better. They played a 3 duelist comp against TL for the first time. You think that was their tactic mate? They were trying not to show off what they've got.Third: EVEN IF what you said checks out, then by that logic, V1 is the 2nd best NA team because they beat all the other teams except SEN. Beating a team doesn't necessarily mean they are better than the team they beat. I think Fnatic is SLIGHTLY better than Liquid right now. Period.
Yes, a 3 duelist comp was their tactic. Funny how you are a fan of Fnatic yet so clueless bout their things. Boaster said himself that Split was their permaban for the whole event so they didn't really have anything prepared for it so they decided to pick ''an aim comp''.
JLock [#19]If the rumours are true I think Acend was really dumb for the trade and G2 will certainly benefit However, M1xwell seems to me like a 1 trick Jett and Nukkye too on Raze. And personally, I don't think 2 duelist meta is the way to go. If those 2 players get some versatility with their agent pools I think they will definitely be one of the best in EU, if not then I think they will stay around the 7th/8th/9th place in EU.
Mixwell doesn't really want to play Jett. I think he will play Sova but im not sure
idontknow [#35]Yes, a 3 duelist comp was their tactic. Funny how you are a fan of Fnatic yet so clueless bout their things. Boaster said himself that Split was their permaban for the whole event so they didn't really have anything prepared for it so they decided to pick ''an aim comp''.
How can you say 'they didn't have anything prepared' and 'that was their tactic' in the same post? Either they didn't have tactics or the 3 duel comp was their tactic but you can't say both
Ibis [#39]Yea in a less relevant tournament
Well it’s the most important French tournament, and the next challengers is pretty far. I don’t think they saved nothing, they just lost
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