I feel like what ardiis said is what all pros or 99% of them think.
https://twitter.com/Lembo006/status/1635290698160410634?t=jIZw4tFFJ4IEX3wxq704lA&s=19
He rarely missed a shot and he pushed spaces so perfectly, I doubt anyone is that good without cheating, and he kind of confirmed it with how he just dipped.
I wasn't really following the scene back then, does any of you know what pros other than ardiis actually accused him? And if there's any clearly suspicious clips of him please share
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soraol [#3]He's a pro doesn't mean he can't make mistakes
Talking about Ardiis? If you mean the stuff he said about riot making him sign an NDA that's most likely not true, other than that niesow was clearly cheating.
There's no clips which are him cheating for sure
There are multiple pros/coaches who plain refuse to comment on it, and there's ardiis openly accusing him of cheating
Its just not relevant in 2023 so I dont see why Lembo feels like they need to make drama about this; ardiis stance has been public on this for 2 years now
Targu1n [#11]There's no clips which are him cheating for sure
There are multiple pros/coaches who plain refuse to comment on it, and there's ardiis openly accusing him of cheatingIts just not relevant in 2023 so I dont see why Lembo feels like they need to make drama about this; ardiis stance has been public on this for 2 years now
Yes it has been, but he never said Riot covered it up before, that's where all the drama comes from
Jeffo [#12]Yes it has been, but he never said Riot covered it up before, that's where all the drama comes from
that was a, clearly stated, personal opinion on him rationalizing why niesow left so suddenly
I would advise you guys to review the evidence and make your own opinions instead of mindlessly following a pro who possibly still has a grudge
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/lctdya/niesow_the_cheater_an_analysis/
Targu1n [#11]There's no clips which are him cheating for sure
There are multiple pros/coaches who plain refuse to comment on it, and there's ardiis openly accusing him of cheatingIts just not relevant in 2023 so I dont see why Lembo feels like they need to make drama about this; ardiis stance has been public on this for 2 years now
There's also multiple coaches (in my experience who come out in the defense of him, Most notably i believe is moist's current head coach taniz), more info is that he got monitored by riot for 3 months on multiple different peoples requests and the monitoring reportably came up empty (from Lembo himself in the tweet in the original comment
Basically in short, Look at the old reddit post and u see taniz coming to say "ardiis and other people had a grudge against him and tried to ruin his career off very little evidence"
https://gyazo.com/baa588109551202ae85d631fd5906689
edit: Above is also in a sense proof that ardiis could currently and has in the past stirred up drama and played with other peoples lives and careers, imma be honest, i don't see Niesow as the bad guy here given the evidence
Bonkbonk201 [#15]I would advise you guys to review the evidence and make your own opinions instead of mindlessly following a pro who possibly still has a grudge
https://www.reddit.com/r/ValorantCompetitive/comments/lctdya/niesow_the_cheater_an_analysis/
You know what the best K:D we've had at an international event ever? TenZ on Reykjavik 2021 with 1.35 KD followed by Yay on Berlin 2021 1.3 KD, both were when jett was super overpowered with the right click knives and all.
Niesow had 1.46KD, not in one tourney but on average in his career, and he didn't even play jett.
If he's really not cheating he's the best player of all time by a large margin, and that kind of guy retiring before LANs is sus, maybe Ardiis has a grudge but his reasoning makes sense.
Btw I don't think you can have a 1.46 career KD on average in pro play, the best players we know have less than 1.2, I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt.
ItsMeDio [#18]why would he retired even before starting his literal goat career?
he could be s1mple of valorant and become rich af.
also, i heard that he's a cheater in his previous game as well, so..
"Family issues" that lasted 2 years and still haven't been fixed
Jeffo [#17]You know what the best K:D we've had at an international event ever? TenZ on Reykjavik 2021 with 1.35 KD followed by Yay on Berlin 2021 1.3 KD, both were when jett was super overpowered with the right click knives and all.
Niesow had 1.46KD, not in one tourney but on average in his career, and he didn't even play jett.
If he's really not cheating he's the best player of all time by a large margin, and that kind of guy retiring before LANs is sus, maybe Ardiis has a grudge but his reasoning makes sense.
Btw I don't think you can have a 1.46 career KD on average in pro play, the best players we know have less than 1.2, I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt.
https://gyazo.com/dd1adc354049afb24d494e7d7d0886fc oh no guys look he must of been cheating he went +30!!!!
this argument proves nothing, he played at the start of the game when Niesow already had i know at least 2-3 professional level careers, where are his bans from professional play in those games, on top of that, There's also the fact there was 2 ROUNDS in the first masters ever between acend/TH, surely if he's a cheater he would've turned tf up and not let them get a 3 round comeback to take it to OT, and even so if he did decimate them in OT, But he didn't and even went negative as shown here
https://gyazo.com/dd1adc354049afb24d494e7d7d0886fc
Tenz has had the same (calibre of professional career) but worse and at a later date went into pro league Valorant specifically and decimated everyone, just because the times were different and now it's more tactical and less aim based just means that he prospered off aim and then quit, i don't see any actual proof nor evidence in this logic, There's also the fact u could argue tenz doesn't play as well as he did and arguably it's due to the game getting more tactical
Bonkbonk201 [#20]https://gyazo.com/dd1adc354049afb24d494e7d7d0886fc oh no guys look he must of been cheating he went +30!!!!
this argument proves nothing, he played at the start of the game when Niesow already had i know at least 2-3 professional level careers, where are his bans from professional play in those games, on top of that, There's also the fact there was 2 ROUNDS in the first masters ever between acend/TH, surely if he's a cheater he would've turned tf up and not let them get a 3 round comeback to take it to OT, and even so if he did decimate them in OT, But he didn't and even went negative as shown here
https://gyazo.com/dd1adc354049afb24d494e7d7d0886fcTenz has had the same (calibre of professional career) but worse and at a later date went into pro league Valorant specifically and decimated everyone, just because the times were different and now it's more tactical and less aim based just means that he prospered off aim and then quit, i don't see any actual proof nor evidence in this logic, There's also the fact u could argue tenz doesn't play as well as he did and arguably it's due to the game getting more tactical
He didn't drop 30, he dropped 1.5 KD on his career, we've had 38K maps before, we've seen nAts go 26/3 on Champs grand finals.
But doing that on average in your career is suspicious to say the least.
Of course I don't have any proof, if we had proof he'd be banned and everyone would know, I'm talking about common sense here not legal proof.
1.46 career KD and disappearing before Lans doesn't look good for you.
Bonkbonk201 [#16]There's also multiple coaches (in my experience who come out in the defense of him, Most notably i believe is moist's current head coach taniz), more info is that he got monitored by riot for 3 months on multiple different peoples requests and the monitoring reportably came up empty (from Lembo himself in the tweet in the original comment
Basically in short, Look at the old reddit post and u see taniz coming to say "ardiis and other people had a grudge against him and tried to ruin his career off very little evidence"
https://gyazo.com/baa588109551202ae85d631fd5906689
edit: Above is also in a sense proof that ardiis could currently and has in the past stirred up drama and played with other peoples lives and careers, imma be honest, i don't see Niesow as the bad guy here given the evidence
tanizhq's entire career was built on niesow's success. He has every reason to defend him so blindly. He's the most biased out of all and saying other people "have a grudge against niesow" is fucking clueless to the fact that tanizq would be a literal nobody if it wasn't for niesow. If you see his career path you can clearly see that he won first strike and that bought him enough clout to keep getting offers (and repeatedly being proven a fraud of a coach in multiple occasions).
Bonkbonk201 [#16]There's also multiple coaches (in my experience who come out in the defense of him, Most notably i believe is moist's current head coach taniz), more info is that he got monitored by riot for 3 months on multiple different peoples requests and the monitoring reportably came up empty (from Lembo himself in the tweet in the original comment
Basically in short, Look at the old reddit post and u see taniz coming to say "ardiis and other people had a grudge against him and tried to ruin his career off very little evidence"
https://gyazo.com/baa588109551202ae85d631fd5906689
edit: Above is also in a sense proof that ardiis could currently and has in the past stirred up drama and played with other peoples lives and careers, imma be honest, i don't see Niesow as the bad guy here given the evidence
I agree that this is anything but facts (including Tranizhq comment btw)
Both sides are talking out of their behind since there's no (publicly available) credible proof for or against it; its why I don't see any relevance of this in 2023 since there's 0 way we're gonna be solving/adding anymore meaningful information to it 2 years after
Ex teammate nukkye (who was in chat during the clip) didn't comment on it either so there's literally nothing new here.
Jeffo [#22]He didn't drop 30, he dropped 1.5 KD on his career, we've had 38K maps before, we've seen nAts go 26/3 on Champs grand finals.
But doing that on average in your career is suspicious to say the least.
Of course I don't have any proof, if we had proof he'd be banned and everyone would know, I'm talking about common sense here not legal proof.
1.46 career KD and disappearing before Lans doesn't look good for you.
I wasn't talking about Niesow and if u read my comment or looked at the screenshot AT THE TOP OF THE COMMENT in depth, you would've known that, i was talking about Cned dropping +30 in a 3 part series, as once again u can see at the TOP of my message, it was in response to KD, Cned is not a player who drops those kd's anymore, Tenz is not a player who drops those kds anymore, neither is yay, all the great aim players are getting ruined due to better decision making and more learning from other more equipped teams now.
The fact u didn't look shows u do not care about fact and just want to question a completely fine opinion based on no facts with 0 logic, so your argument is altogether irrelevant to the conversation to me at this stage, have a good day.
Bonkbonk201 [#20]https://gyazo.com/dd1adc354049afb24d494e7d7d0886fc oh no guys look he must of been cheating he went +30!!!!
this argument proves nothing, he played at the start of the game when Niesow already had i know at least 2-3 professional level careers, where are his bans from professional play in those games, on top of that, There's also the fact there was 2 ROUNDS in the first masters ever between acend/TH, surely if he's a cheater he would've turned tf up and not let them get a 3 round comeback to take it to OT, and even so if he did decimate them in OT, But he didn't and even went negative as shown here
https://gyazo.com/dd1adc354049afb24d494e7d7d0886fcTenz has had the same (calibre of professional career) but worse and at a later date went into pro league Valorant specifically and decimated everyone, just because the times were different and now it's more tactical and less aim based just means that he prospered off aim and then quit, i don't see any actual proof nor evidence in this logic, There's also the fact u could argue tenz doesn't play as well as he did and arguably it's due to the game getting more tactical
you're fucking kidding me with this. hahahaha this was THE MOMENT he stopped cheating. He had already taken a step back as 6th. He had already stopped playing Sova. And he only participated in 2 maps in the entire tournament (in the grand final), playing duelist. Which he had never done before. You couldn't pick a better example as a counter argument to your bullshit take.
Until he does this shit on LAN he is a cheater and that's the end of it. That's why LANs exist, that's why they always existed. It's to prove who is legit and who is not. LAN proven = not a cheating scum.
I_SELL_ORGANS [#21]If niesow ever comes back and plays at a lan tournament I'll personally paypal him 10k
Rest assured the moneys will be safe for years
I'll also paypal him 10k. Let's make a generous enough offer for him to come back and get exposed as a plat-level player on LAN.
hekzy [#26]you're fucking kidding me with this. hahahaha this was THE MOMENT he stopped cheating. He had already taken a step back as 6th. He had already stopped playing Sova. And he only participated in 2 maps in the entire tournament (in the grand final), playing duelist. Which he had never done before. You couldn't pick a better example as a counter argument to your bullshit take.
Until he does this shit on LAN he is a cheater and that's the end of it. That's why LANs exist, that's why they always existed. It's to prove who is legit and who is not. LAN proven = not a cheating scum.
I took the first example i saw which was his latest match, since the cooldown on posting is irritating i'll also add a rebuttal to kd since apparently given Jeffo's logic, Scream is also a cheater, as seen here https://gyazo.com/03b10797f5d0a74e37db32bccf2bf771 (all time stats btw) and so is Yay, On top of that, there's also other people who have about double the games give or take (nukkye, Aspas, SG Somebody, florescent, Fnatic Leo, Kadoom also apparently as seen in this screenshot https://gyazo.com/2748bcead76571df33ae36d45b9445c8 note i didn't get all and u may need to check some for yourself, although i doubt u will, kd's overall and kds recently mean absolutely nothing and do not correlate to anything, go back and check niesows first team where he's hardly going positive against teams like nolpenki and unnamed orgs and yet apparently the entire time he was cheating, get over it.
Bonkbonk201 [#28]I took the first example i saw which was his latest match, since the cooldown on posting is irritating i'll also add a rebuttal to kd since apparently given Jeffo's logic, Scream is also a cheater, as seen here https://gyazo.com/03b10797f5d0a74e37db32bccf2bf771 (all time stats btw) and so is Yay, On top of that, there's also other people who have about double the games give or take (nukkye, Aspas, SG Somebody, florescent, Fnatic Leo, Kadoom also apparently as seen in this screenshot https://gyazo.com/2748bcead76571df33ae36d45b9445c8 note i didn't get all and u may need to check some for yourself, although i doubt u will, kd's overall and kds recently mean absolutely nothing and do not correlate to anything, go back and check niesows first team where he's hardly going positive against teams like nolpenki and unnamed orgs and yet apparently the entire time he was cheating, get over it.
never said anything about KD. This was his worst performance ever. And he was playing second duelist (best role for stat padding). And he was just the sixth man, being replaced on Sova by a much worse player (for no reason at all??????). And he left right after that. And he was already being accused by then. And it was right as LAN was announced.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. But it takes one blind man with an agenda to deny it. And there are plenty of agendas running around. Riot wanting to prove integrity of play and the power of vanguard. Taniz literally having a career based off of one cheater carrying his ass. heretics players validity of winning first strike. Valorant frogs wanting to disprove that the first ever major winner wasn't a cheater in a game infested by ex-cheaters, washeds, bots and matchfixers (you have to remember that valorant had really shit credibility back then).
Sita_MOE [#29]I don't get it , why riot didn't admit any cheat in competitive yet
something might wrong in this company
maybe it was a new game back then, and imagine if one of finalist team member is a cheater
Sita_MOE [#29]I don't get it , why riot didn't admit any cheat in competitive yet
something might wrong in this company
There's a lot of reasons, maybe they just didn't catch him and him just dodging LANs makes more sense than Riot covering it up, but we can never now
Jeffo [#17]You know what the best K:D we've had at an international event ever? TenZ on Reykjavik 2021 with 1.35 KD followed by Yay on Berlin 2021 1.3 KD, both were when jett was super overpowered with the right click knives and all.
Niesow had 1.46KD, not in one tourney but on average in his career, and he didn't even play jett.
If he's really not cheating he's the best player of all time by a large margin, and that kind of guy retiring before LANs is sus, maybe Ardiis has a grudge but his reasoning makes sense.
Btw I don't think you can have a 1.46 career KD on average in pro play, the best players we know have less than 1.2, I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt.
To be fair, you could make an argument that since it was early valorant, everyone was relatively more dogshit back then because of the lack of quality players (I mean, hell, m1xwell was considered a top player back then) and that it was therefore more feasible to have a world record KDA than nowadays.
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