Even saadhak was bot fragging as raze! Yes it would be nice if all the players were capable of fragging out but most IGLs can't shoot and who tf cares if they can lead the team to victory?
If you are to hate dephh or want him gone it should be because he got played like a fiddle against Fnatic and SEN looked clueless in mid rounding!
Also, there are lot more factors to shot calling. What if the team is just not meshing well? the IGL can't micromanage every aspect of the game either!
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NuclearNick [#3]I dont think his calling is that great either.
I understand that but most people want him gone just cz he was not fragging out! 2 official maps is an incredibly small sample size to judge someone's IGLing ability but I agree SEN/he didn't have good reads and strats as a team in LockIN. Most of the rounds they won or got close to winning were because of individual brilliance from tenz or pancada.
yaiima0 [#4]You can’t compare him to Sadhaak, cuz his calling is actually good and he has good mechanics for an igl compared to dephh.
Common yaiima0 W. "Most IGLs can't shoot straight". SEN shouldn't be like most teams, they should be targeting winning masters. And all the top IGLs were shooting EXTREMELY STRAIGHT
Yessirskiiii [#6]Common yaiima0 W. "Most IGLs can't shoot straight". SEN shouldn't be like most teams, they should be targeting winning masters. And all the top IGLs were shooting EXTREMELY STRAIGHT
Ange1, FNS, saadhak, boaster. All belong to good teams but have mediocre fragging ability. It could be that Dephh has neither but if you are someone who wants him gone then it shouldn't be bc he can't shoot like derke. That's the point.
Mortadelo [#9]It's not just the fraging, Fnc executed on an empty side 95% of the time and Sen was executing on a site with 3/4 people every time. He got outigled sooooooo bad
I agree completely but considering how good FNC were in LockIN, Boaster would have made FNS look like a fool if they faced each other ngl.
the difference is saadhak doesn’t hold his team back. we all know SEN was one of the best teams on paper (until they lost to TSM), 2 world champs, 1 masters winner, the other players and coaches all have international experience. the reason they didnt perform is because somebody clearly does not know how to igl defensive side and can’t make up for it with mechanics either.
saadhak is a top 5 igl IN THE WORLD calling-wise and frags well MAJORITY of the time as well. from what we’ve seen from dephh, not only is he lost on CT half, but his aim is worse than FNS’ which says a lot. even FNS has been improving his aim (which we saw at LOCK//IN) so the fact that dephh cant do either (aim and shot-call) puts him far behind most igls.
if he cant perform and prove himself at the start of VCT AMERICAS league, he should be kicked immediately.
SaltyMcNulty [#12]I agree completely but considering how good FNC were in LockIN, Boaster would have made FNS look like a fool if they faced each other ngl.
LMFAO NAH
Boaster was doing great at LockIn and he's an incredible leader, but FNS midrounding is still best in Valorant rn.
SaltyMcNulty [#5]I understand that but most people want him gone just cz he was not fragging out! 2 official maps is an incredibly small sample size to judge someone's IGLing ability but I agree SEN/he didn't have good reads and strats as a team in LockIN. Most of the rounds they won or got close to winning were because of individual brilliance from tenz or pancada.
he has no growth potential.
dephh is 31 years old.
no aim, no growth potential.
sykko is training him to a IGL since he didn't 100% IGL at XSET. (he did 50%)
no GOD IGL potential, like Saad, Boaster, FNS.
Saad could create weird team comp (see Furia x Fnatic, see what Saadhak did .. he created FURIA comp, furia basically stole from them at training)
See Boaster half shield strategy.
FNS mid round god
See all these IGL excel at SOME AREA, dephh excel in NOTHING.
waste of resources + time
they could train any other mid IGL and would be way better than dephh.
he is nothing but a paycheck stealer using his friendship, i'd be ashamed to be him.
SaltyMcNulty [#8]Ange1, FNS, saadhak, boaster. All belong to good teams but have mediocre fragging ability. It could be that Dephh has neither but if you are someone who wants him gone then it shouldn't be bc he can't shoot like derke. That's the point.
It's obviously not just the fragging lol. On top of that boaster, FNS, Saadhak and ange1 are proven winners already. They out IGL and out aim Dephh. It's not any hate towards Dephh, it's just that if SEN truly wants to contend (which they should, they have 3 world class players and Zekken who is WC on his day and young) they need a better IGL calling and fragging wise
aylez [#13]the difference is saadhak doesn’t hold his team back. we all know SEN was one of the best teams on paper (until they lost to TSM), 2 world champs, 1 masters winner, the other players and coaches all have international experience. the reason they didnt perform is because somebody clearly does not know how to igl defensive side and can’t make up for it with mechanics either.
saadhak is a top 5 igl IN THE WORLD calling-wise and frags well MAJORITY of the time as well. from what we’ve seen from dephh, not only is he lost on CT half, but his aim is worse than FNS’ which says a lot. even FNS has been improving his aim (which we saw at LOCK//IN) so the fact that dephh cant do either (aim and shot-call) puts him far behind most igls.
if he cant perform and prove himself at the start of VCT AMERICAS league, he should be kicked immediately.
Who would you replace him with? If IGLing is the concern then putting inexperienced sacy in IGL and hoping for the best doesn't seem like a safe nor a good idea! Also, Dephh led a top 2 team in NA last year, I would have liked valyn but there were no clear better choices over him in NA imo.
Yessirskiiii [#16]It's obviously not just the fragging lol. On top of that boaster, FNS, Saadhak and ange1 are proven winners already. They out IGL and out aim Dephh. It's not any hate towards Dephh, it's just that if SEN truly wants to contend (which they should, they have 3 world class players and Zekken who is WC on his day and young) they need a better IGL calling and fragging wise
Dephh led a top 2 team in NA last year! Also, SEN have 2 players who are used to comming in an entirely different language. In can't be easy to manage all that and be on top of your game at the same time. It will obviously get better with time but rn they for sure have some team chemistry issues that we just can't fathom from the outside.
SaltyMcNulty [#17]Who would you replace him with? If IGLing is the concern then putting inexperienced sacy in IGL and hoping for the best doesn't seem like a safe nor a good idea! Also, Dephh led a top 2 team in NA last year, I would have liked valyn but there were no clear better choices over him in NA imo.
bro, if you check dephh last 20 MATCHES, only 2 matches he could be positive with 1.04 KDA (one kill more than deaths) EVEN at XSET when Ayrin did 50% IGL, he still could not perform well.
even when he didn't 100% IGL at XSET because Ayrin did IGL with him...
also his aim seems to be worse than any other IGL
he is also 31 years old, why sykko is teaching a grow up man to how to be a IGL? while he could teach these things to someone else
its just waste of resources bro.
training someone how cannot achieve aim potential, igl potential...
is basically lost of time.
Mehika [#15]he has no growth potential.
dephh is 31 years old.
no aim, no growth potential.
sykko is training him to a IGL since he didn't 100% IGL at XSET. (he did 50%)
no GOD IGL potential, like Saad, Boaster, FNS.
Saad could create weird team comp (see Furia x Fnatic, see what Saadhak did .. he created FURIA comp, furia basically stole from them at training)
See Boaster half shield strategy.
FNS mid round god
See all these IGL excel at SOME AREA, dephh excel in NOTHING.waste of resources + time
they could train any other mid IGL and would be way better than dephh.he is nothing but a paycheck stealer using his friendship, i'd be ashamed to be him.
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thanks deph alt.
hope you to perform like a god and carry SEN, im not hating just said facts but i still believe in SEN somehow.
Mehika [#15]he has no growth potential.
dephh is 31 years old.
no aim, no growth potential.
sykko is training him to a IGL since he didn't 100% IGL at XSET. (he did 50%)
no GOD IGL potential, like Saad, Boaster, FNS.
Saad could create weird team comp (see Furia x Fnatic, see what Saadhak did .. he created FURIA comp, furia basically stole from them at training)
See Boaster half shield strategy.
FNS mid round god
See all these IGL excel at SOME AREA, dephh excel in NOTHING.waste of resources + time
they could train any other mid IGL and would be way better than dephh.he is nothing but a paycheck stealer using his friendship, i'd be ashamed to be him.
Don't forget that FNS is able to always steal and implement ideas from many different teams
But yea I agree with you this take is based asf. It's just true. He should already be a really good igl with his age but he hasn't shown that much and we don't know if xset succeeded because of him or mostly ayrin. Idk if training a mid igl would be more worth than dephh but there are definitely other options out there. I also wouldn't go so far as to call him a paycheck stealer I just think hes p mid.
SaltyMcNulty [#8]Ange1, FNS, saadhak, boaster. All belong to good teams but have mediocre fragging ability. It could be that Dephh has neither but if you are someone who wants him gone then it shouldn't be bc he can't shoot like derke. That's the point.
Boaster and ange1 have both gotten so much better at it tho so that doesn't stand. Rn the only top team with a mediocre igl is Sen so they need to make change. If stellar and FNS can frag then Sen need someone who does the same and can also call well (tho tbf stellar calling was p mid in lockin)
zardinez [#14]LMFAO NAH
Boaster was doing great at LockIn and he's an incredible leader, but FNS midrounding is still best in Valorant rn.
What are you on, by watching any of the bts videos you can tell they were having huge midround issues. Both from fns and the rest of his team. He's a great midrounder but I wouldn't say the best, that obviously goes to angel
ItsHunter [#26]What are you on, by watching any of the bts videos you can tell they were having huge midround issues. Both from fns and the rest of his team. He's a great midrounder but I wouldn't say the best, that obviously goes to angel
No shot. Angel is a great IGL. FNS is a greater midrounder. He's proven it again and again and again.
SaltyMcNulty [#8]Ange1, FNS, saadhak, boaster. All belong to good teams but have mediocre fragging ability. It could be that Dephh has neither but if you are someone who wants him gone then it shouldn't be bc he can't shoot like derke. That's the point.
saadhak can frag, boaster and ange1 have improved, especially boaster comes up with multikills and clutches often these days
dephh ain't got shit on em
zardinez [#27]No shot. Angel is a great IGL. FNS is a greater midrounder. He's proven it again and again and again.
The only reason fpx is good is because of how insane angels on the fly is and how he can find little weaknesses in the opponents defense, when does he find them and exploit them? The midround that's when. This guy singlehandedly proved he was the most insane midrounder but no one talks about it because his style of midrounding is anti or counter so that's what ppl refer to it as. The only reason ppl say "midround" when refering to fns is because the analyst's use that term for him since he doesn't anti midround but instead his style is more misdirection.
camosoulja [#25]Even shahzam has acheived more than Dephh. It's not just about him bot-fragging, it's more about him being an actual bot as both an IGL and a player.
It's crazy that people can't accept shahz to be a really good igl and fragger cause they're too busy hating on him
ItsHunter [#30]It's crazy that people can't accept shahz to be a really good igl and fragger cause they're too busy hating on him
I hate that bias
SaltyMcNulty [#18]Dephh led a top 2 team in NA last year! Also, SEN have 2 players who are used to comming in an entirely different language. In can't be easy to manage all that and be on top of your game at the same time. It will obviously get better with time but rn they for sure have some team chemistry issues that we just can't fathom from the outside.
Ayrin* led a top 2 team NA last year u mean.
ItsHunter [#23]Don't forget that FNS is able to always steal and implement ideas from many different teams
But yea I agree with you this take is based asf. It's just true. He should already be a really good igl with his age but he hasn't shown that much and we don't know if xset succeeded because of him or mostly ayrin. Idk if training a mid igl would be more worth than dephh but there are definitely other options out there. I also wouldn't go so far as to call him a paycheck stealer I just think hes p mid.
I think is better to pick a MID IGL because growth potential, dephh has no potential anymore.
he is mid player? yes, but if I need to bet on some mid player i'd prefer someone with growth potential.
Mehika [#15]he has no growth potential.
dephh is 31 years old.
no aim, no growth potential.
sykko is training him to a IGL since he didn't 100% IGL at XSET. (he did 50%)
no GOD IGL potential, like Saad, Boaster, FNS.
Saad could create weird team comp (see Furia x Fnatic, see what Saadhak did .. he created FURIA comp, furia basically stole from them at training)
See Boaster half shield strategy.
FNS mid round god
See all these IGL excel at SOME AREA, dephh excel in NOTHING.waste of resources + time
they could train any other mid IGL and would be way better than dephh.he is nothing but a paycheck stealer using his friendship, i'd be ashamed to be him.
but at least give him a few more games no? judging based on 1 BO3 is unreasonable (TarikxLudwig dont count)
MourninggStarr [#34]but at least give him a few more games no? judging based on 1 BO3 is unreasonable (TarikxLudwig dont count)
it's about his past at XSET too, even at XSET he had few matches with a positive KDA even when he didn't IGL 100%.
So I guess he has no AIM potential at all, because even when he didn't IGL he could not frag.
You can check XSET match history, almost all matches he downfragged as -5, -10, -12.
Few matches with KDA 1.0, like, 3 matches.
Even when he wasn't IGL he could not frag.. now as IGL it would be way more worse.
smaul_daung [#32]Ayrin* led a top 2 team NA last year u mean.
Nah, that's some next level hating. Give credit where it's due.
NG1nS [#38]need suggestions, i have a lot of hate where should i place it ?
you fr? Is it just hate or do you have anger issues?
ItsHunter [#29]The only reason fpx is good is because of how insane angels on the fly is and how he can find little weaknesses in the opponents defense, when does he find them and exploit them? The midround that's when. This guy singlehandedly proved he was the most insane midrounder but no one talks about it because his style of midrounding is anti or counter so that's what ppl refer to it as. The only reason ppl say "midround" when refering to fns is because the analyst's use that term for him since he doesn't anti midround but instead his style is more misdirection.
Dude you said it yourself. Angel is the master of antistratting and countering his opponents. When does he do that? Before the game. He's incredible at breaking down VODs and figuring out how to most effectively dismantle what he's seen. In game, he's no doubt a great IGL too, always making good consistent calls. But he doesn't have the adaptability FNS has displayed. FNS is able to go into a game with prep, realize that prep isn't good anymore at some point in a series (because his opponents changed up stuff), and call beautiful midrounds on the fly. It's very rare to see a team led by him hit the wrong sites repeatedly, or stack defenders in the wrong place. Sure if it happened once or twice you could say luck, but it's happened with nearly every team he's IGL'd. Angel is a very good IGL, and a very good antistratter, but FNS is the god of midrounding.
Shidoh [#41]i don't think hating on the players because of performance is right, but bro, comparing dephh to saadhak was a bad idea
I am not comparing. I was just making an example out of him. Just a general observation that IGLs don't need to be the best shooters to have impact in a game.
Just a quick look over the history of VCTs from prior seasons. (1/2)
Player RND ACS ADR KDA
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| kiNgg | 1351 222 151 1.63 |
| Boostio | 1149 220 146 1.28 |
| Saadhak | 1754 207 135 1.58 |
| Dephh | 1188 196 130 1.39 |
| murizzz | 587 195 131 1.36 |
| ShahZaM | 2319 193 134 1.46 |
| Ange1 | 849 189 132 1.46 |
| Stellar | 1298 188 125 1.47 |
| Boaster | 1985 182 122 1.49 |
| FNS | 1702 176 118 1.22 |
| Klaus | 1516 176 119 1.35 |I'll simply leave that up here for those who should see, and see well, I suppose... as it appears for them it is extremely difficult to produce anyhting than brainwrecking... It seems they often pull out "arguments" from their ... talking on Dephh's awful IGLing - as if they know any better... or his bad fragging - as if they have ever looked beyond one or two of his past matches....
Well, another day... but I completely agree with you on the topic <3
clocksky888 [#44]Just a quick look over the history of VCTs from prior seasons. (1/2)
Player RND ACS ADR KDA ------------------------------------- | kiNgg | 1351 222 151 1.63 | | Boostio | 1149 220 146 1.28 | | Saadhak | 1754 207 135 1.58 | | Dephh | 1188 196 130 1.39 | | murizzz | 587 195 131 1.36 | | ShahZaM | 2319 193 134 1.46 | | Ange1 | 849 189 132 1.46 | | Stellar | 1298 188 125 1.47 | | Boaster | 1985 182 122 1.49 | | FNS | 1702 176 118 1.22 | | Klaus | 1516 176 119 1.35 |I'll simply leave that up here for those who should see, and see well, I suppose... as it appears for them it is extremely difficult to produce anyhting than brainwrecking... It seems they often pull out "arguments" from their ... talking on Dephh's awful IGLing - as if they know any better... or his bad fragging - as if they have ever looked beyond one or two of his past matches....
Well, another day... but I completely agree with you on the topic <3
(2/2)
Player Agent FK FD
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| kiNgg | Raze; Viper; Sage | 0.16 12.5 |
| Boostio | Killjoy; Chamber; Jett | 0.15 13.8 |
| Saadhak | Killjoy; Viper; Raze | 0.11 14.5 |
| Dephh | Killjoy; Astra | 0.10 11.1 |
| murizzz | Sage; Skye; KAY/O | 0.09 12.2 |
| ShahZaM | Sova; Jett; Breach | 0.07 6.38 |
| Ange1 | Omen; Viper; Fade | 0.12 14 |
| Stellar | Killjoy; Cypher; Sage | 0.06 8.01 |
| Boaster | Omen; Astra; Sova | 0.07 10.2 |
| FNS | Killjoy; Viper; Breach | 0.07 8.22 |
| Klaus | Killjoy; Viper; Sova | 0.06 7.45 |The second half of the same table, but broken into two posts.
Luck_ [#11]saadhak is good tho
dephh is a bot and deserves to be rotting in t3 where he belongs
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Ahahahahhahahaha it's actually Dephh's alt. It's not even a joke anymore
Yessirskiiii [#47]Ahahahahhahahaha it's actually Dephh's alt. It's not even a joke anymore
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