TRANSACTIONS:

-keloqz (This guy can only frag under 3 conditions: A. He is on LAN, B. He is playing Jett, C. Its CT half. There are just better options)
-AvovA (Nothing much good to say abt him. He's washed up imo. Plus he role clashes with Boo)

+marteen (Absolutely insane young talent that can definetely prosper under an IGL like Boo. Def worth picking up over keloqz)
+vong (ex-Fokus talent who seems to be going on a redemption arc as of late and can play most roles pretty decently. Say what you will about his performance on Fokus, I personally believe he is an upgrade to AvovA, at least in his current form)

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ROLES:

🇪🇸Mixwell: Breach/KAYO/Skye/Sage (Flash Initiator)
🇵🇱zeek: Killjoy/Cypher/Viper (Sentinel)
🇱🇹Boo: Omen/Astra/Viper/Brimstone (Controller + IGL)
🇨🇿marteen: Jett/Raze (Duelist)
🇳🇴vong: Sova/Fade/Astra (Scan Initiator)

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COMPS:

Lotus:
Breach (Mixwell)
Killjoy (zeek)
Omen (Boo)
Raze (marteen)
Fade (vong)

Pearl:
KAY/O (Mixwell)
Killjoy (zeek)
Viper (Boo)
Jett (marteen)
Astra (vong)

Fracture:
Breach (Mixwell)
Killjoy (zeek)
Brimstone (Boo)
Raze (marteen)
Fade (vong)

Icebox:
Sage (Mixwell)
Killjoy (zeek)
Viper (Boo)
Jett (marteen)
Sova (vong)

Ascent:
KAY/O (Mixwell)
Killjoy (zeek)
Omen (Boo)
Jett (marteen)
Sova (vong)

Haven:
Breach (Mixwell)
Killjoy (zeek)
Omen (Boo)
Jett (marteen)
Sova (vong)

Split:
Skye (Mixwell)
Viper (zeek)
Astra (Boo)
Raze (marteen)
Fade (vong)

i aint readin allat

Boo it's no longer the igl

Mkin11 [#3]

Boo it's no longer the igl

wait what?

who's IGL on TH?

WinterZ [#4]

wait what?

who's IGL on TH?

Zeek

WinterZ [#4]

wait what?

who's IGL on TH?

wasnt it always mixwell?

Mkin11 [#5]

Zeek

no , boo is still the igl

Not sure about marteen.
Think there are some better players available
Yet to see him play at a high level

Mkin11 [#5]

Zeek

tf?

in any case Boo has proven that he can IGL so I think imma keep him on that role

WinterZ [#4]

wait what?

who's IGL on TH?

I'd say Mixwell, but I'm not sure

capital_d_colon [#8]

Not sure about marteen.
Think there are some better players available
Yet to see him play at a high level

Who do u think is better?

WinterZ [#11]

Who do u think is better?

alive/h1ber/takas

kaesra [#6]

wasnt it always mixwell?

no , it was and still is boo

Boo IGL controller
Jugi duelist
musashi init
Monsterr sentinel
lauress flex

Impossible to get them all but that is the best options imo

vadoshi [#14]

Boo IGL controller
Jugi duelist
musashi init
Monsterr sentinel
lauress flex

Impossible to get them all but that is the best options imo

lauress english is not that great tho thats why ion wanna put him on international roster

displayed_ [#12]

alive/h1ber/takas

not sure how well takas speaks english

ALIVE being better is debatable imo especially in terms of raze play

you have a fair point with H1ber I should’ve considered him for that roster

I'll talk about Keloqz first. You said he'll only perform under 3 conditions which is

1. He's on LAN which is where he'll be playing this entire season I don't think Franchised teams have online play if I'm right
2. He's on Jett which is yes mostly he'll be on Jett most of the maps
3. On CT side which is true because I haven't seen him consistently frag on T side which is a concern but I wouldn't want to take out Keloqz out he's a very
   good player with a hell lot of consistency issues.

As for Avova idk he generally was there for the clutch factor a lot but as you said he's washed I don't see that much impact coming out of him. So if they can get a better Sova or Fade player( the role which Boo plays ) then Avova can be taken out. But I'd have Keloqz in the team.

But whatever we discuss they would only make changes during mid split. Because most teams would've began prac and they don't want to be disturbing the chemistry and shit so yeah the changes mostly would happen mid split

WinterZ [#9]

tf?

in any case Boo has proven that he can IGL so I think imma keep him on that role

More like he has proven he can’t and that’s why they changed xD

Mortadelo [#18]

More like he has proven he can’t and that’s why they changed xD

Even fns couldn't carry botwell

Valgod [#19]

Even fns couldn't carry botwell

Here we go again...

Avova and mixwell are the main problem of this team

italy is pisstier, marteen would be average in other vrls

I don’t think assuming tier 1 players are not playing good means some tier 2 pros better. I think there is very very few tier 2 players who would give the level in tier 1, and that’s just if they are surrounded by better players than them

Hot Take: -keloqz +yay

Valgod [#21]

Avova and mixwell are the main problem of this team

nah the Mixwell slander is unreal

he's been playing good so far, no need to drop him imo

Mortadelo [#23]

I don’t think assuming tier 1 players are not playing good means some tier 2 pros better. I think there is very very few tier 2 players who would give the level in tier 1, and that’s just if they are surrounded by better players than them

Personally I'm a strong believer in the statement that the skill difference in val between teams and Tier 1 vs Tier 2 is not as high as in other games.

If Tier 1 players like MAGNUM, Mistic and keloqz can go to Tier 2 and drop average performances, then imo the top performers in Tier 2 can go to Tier 1 and put up better performances than what AvovA is doing rn

WinterZ [#11]

Who do u think is better?

jugi/keiko but they are under contract rn'
runneR though his jett isnt as good as his raze.
oh shit kamo aswell (edit)

honestly its really hard to judge marteen right now due to him playing in italy.
And honestly im not sure his team even wins italy.
a move to east could be good for his career

displayed_ [#12]

alive/h1ber/takas

ALIVE sucks. He cant even dash properly with jett most rounds. He's being hard carried by the very talented acend roster. Almost any other jett duelist would do the same things he does maybe better.

WinterZ [#26]

Personally I'm a strong believer in the statement that the skill difference in val between teams and Tier 1 vs Tier 2 is not as high as in other games.

If Tier 1 players like MAGNUM, Mistic and keloqz can go to Tier 2 and drop average performances, then imo the top performers in Tier 2 can go to Tier 1 and put up better performances than what AvovA is doing rn

agree with the statement generally, but ey magnum and mistic favorites in polaris atm

bro ur actually good at this, marteen has been on a rampage and vong is good

W take

Mortadelo [#23]

I don’t think assuming tier 1 players are not playing good means some tier 2 pros better. I think there is very very few tier 2 players who would give the level in tier 1, and that’s just if they are surrounded by better players than them

Id agree when it comes to playstyles, there are plays that just don't get punished the same way in t2 than they do in t1 nowadays, that lead to stats you cant reproduce when against the best teams
But aim, game understanding (in terms of both util and timing) and motivation very much carry over, so I dont think its worth dismissing t2 players generally; the teams should (and probably are doing) do their due diligence in scouting since (imo at least) there's a crap ton of players who would do well given the chance

Remove keloqz and Avova and put Jugi and YaBoiLewis(if Boo back to smokes) or Mistic as controller

Mortadelo [#23]

I don’t think assuming tier 1 players are not playing good means some tier 2 pros better. I think there is very very few tier 2 players who would give the level in tier 1, and that’s just if they are surrounded by better players than them

Me personally, I dont think the gap between t1 and t2 is that big.
Valorant is very new and alot of new concepts are being created.

But also franchising has enforced an artificial barrier between t1 and t2.
Some of the teams in t1 are not "t1" level yet, whereas you have a few "t2" teams that can outperform these rosters right now.

The main issue is just time (a common theme really), new rosters in t1 taking some time to get accustomed to each other. Alot of these strong t2 teams are the ones who have a long standing core.

I dont think heretics should change anything right now. its way too reactionary to chop and change

Mortadelo [#23]

I don’t think assuming tier 1 players are not playing good means some tier 2 pros better. I think there is very very few tier 2 players who would give the level in tier 1, and that’s just if they are surrounded by better players than them

Alright, I’ll develop my point a bit more. I think it’s very important to distinguish between Top tier 1 players, low tier 1 players and top tier 2 players. And yes, most of the times it’s hard Ik.

But the thing is, a tier 1 team can have a couple weaker links with low tier 1 players or tier 2 players who are adapting etc. The problem comes when a roster is completely made out of very low tier 1 players and top tier 2, when that’s the case the team becomes just not good enough, even though all those players would be more than fine surrounded by better players

As awful as some tier 1 teams look, let’s try to be realistic, now imagine TH had signed the current Acend or Apeks roster, who would they be better than? Would people not make this thread saying -someone +Zeek/boo etc?

Idk if I explained myself correctly lol

And btw not saying this because it’s TH, I think that about all rosters on the league, maybe applies a bit less to Turkey but that’s just because of the crazy amount of options

WinterZ [#26]

Personally I'm a strong believer in the statement that the skill difference in val between teams and Tier 1 vs Tier 2 is not as high as in other games.

If Tier 1 players like MAGNUM, Mistic and keloqz can go to Tier 2 and drop average performances, then imo the top performers in Tier 2 can go to Tier 1 and put up better performances than what AvovA is doing rn

#34

Targu1n [#31]

Id agree when it comes to playstyles, there are plays that just don't get punished the same way in t2 than they do in t1 nowadays, that lead to stats you cant reproduce when against the best teams
But aim, game understanding (in terms of both util and timing) and motivation very much carry over, so I dont think its worth dismissing t2 players generally; the teams should (and probably are doing) do their due diligence in scouting since (imo at least) there's a crap ton of players who would do well given the chance

#34

capital_d_colon [#33]

Me personally, I dont think the gap between t1 and t2 is that big.
Valorant is very new and alot of new concepts are being created.

But also franchising has enforced an artificial barrier between t1 and t2.
Some of the teams in t1 are not "t1" level yet, whereas you have a few "t2" teams that can outperform these rosters right now.

The main issue is just time (a common theme really), new rosters in t1 taking some time to get accustomed to each other. Alot of these strong t2 teams are the ones who have a long standing core.

I dont think heretics should change anything right now. its way too reactionary to chop and change

#34

displayed_ [#12]

alive/h1ber/takas

alive and h1ber are tier2 farmers

patuj [#32]

Remove keloqz and Avova and put Jugi and YaBoiLewis(if Boo back to smokes) or Mistic as controller

This aint it chief, Lewis a trash baiter and not a fan of mistic but at least better than avova I guess

Mapusaurus [#22]

italy is pisstier, marteen would be average in other vrls

I think he would be within top 12 players in east: surge league

NG1nS [#30]

bro ur actually good at this, marteen has been on a rampage and vong is good

W take

thanks man :)

similar opinion but imo Jugi would be a better option, but hes under contract...

eeeeeeeee [#39]

This aint it chief, Lewis a trash baiter and not a fan of mistic but at least better than avova I guess

maybe but if I'm not wrong Lewis is IGLing for Fokus so maybe that affects his game style. I overall think he has good mechanics, is flexible and the fact that they made him to IGL likely means he has good takes.

Rebellion2408 [#17]

I'll talk about Keloqz first. You said he'll only perform under 3 conditions which is

1. He's on LAN which is where he'll be playing this entire season I don't think Franchised teams have online play if I'm right
2. He's on Jett which is yes mostly he'll be on Jett most of the maps
3. On CT side which is true because I haven't seen him consistently frag on T side which is a concern but I wouldn't want to take out Keloqz out he's a very
   good player with a hell lot of consistency issues.

As for Avova idk he generally was there for the clutch factor a lot but as you said he's washed I don't see that much impact coming out of him. So if they can get a better Sova or Fade player( the role which Boo plays ) then Avova can be taken out. But I'd have Keloqz in the team.

But whatever we discuss they would only make changes during mid split. Because most teams would've began prac and they don't want to be disturbing the chemistry and shit so yeah the changes mostly would happen mid split

You are correct. Keloqz won't be playing online , franchising is all LAN.