What makes them superior/better than other players? You don’t need to play multiple agents to be the best, dapr only plays cypher, etc. Just because a player doesn’t play sage doesn’t mean they can’t. If playing duelist is best for the team how is that limiting them? Each team is going to have a player that plays different agents, are they the best on the team? Just because you should know how to play multiple agents, doesn’t mean you have to play them all.
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It lets you have many different compositions that you can pull out at any time. FPX in EU plays 2-3 comps on every map in order to make it more difficult for their opponents to do research and play the "perfect" counter comp. You definitely don't have to be able to be the best at every agent as that would be absurd, but you should understand every agent at the very least. Flexibility will trump mastery over time as more agents, maps, and general balance changes lead to meta changes and things that prevent a player from exerting their skill and mastery over one agent over other players with more looks and flexibility.
If we are comparing 2 players at face value and inserted them into x team, where on that team the roles wouldn't be set in stone, players who have a larger agent pool will be of greater value. I presume you made this thread because of people saying SicK is better than Victor because he can flex many roles. In this general comparison, the first thing we would compare is them on the Phoenix. Before this comparison, I'm going to say these 2 shouldn't be compared because the way they play Phoenix is very different. SicK will help TenZ get into a prime position for entry onto the site using utility, and TenZ will entry frag (a lot of the time if they are together). Vic will be the straight-up entry fragger, using utility to help himself get the frag. With that being said here are the stats of each.
SicK who has played Phoenix 27 times:
ACS: 258.8
ADR:160.5
K/D: 1.38
Victor who has played Phoenix 28 times:
ACS: 272.5
ADR: 164.6
K/D: 1.4
These stats are the most simple stats we have, and they are very, very similar.
As I said before, Victor is a main entry fragger, SicK can entry, but he supports the entry very well. Here are stats to back this up:
SicK First Kill/First Death ratio:
84/56
Victor First Kill/First Death Ratio:
117/71
We see that Victor is basically better at entrying, while other values are very similar. Now that we've done the Phoenix comparison, I think we can agree that Victor may bring more value, and we have also seen that he can use utility very well in combo (i'm referring to the molly astra suck combo in ascent a main).
Moving on now to the reason why other agent flexibility may be brought up. Yes, I would say Victor is a better Phoenix player than SicK. But can he play another role on the team? Not really. So going back to the point at the start, having flexibility makes you a more valuable player, not necessarily a better one. If we have the perfect team, and the only slot open is a Phoenix/entry fragger role, I am picking Victor over SicK. If we can flex comps by using agents such as Sage, Viper, Skye, Breach, etc., I'd take SicK. The comparison is all based around the supporting cast, and I don't think there's every going to be a perfect team scenario, where the entry fits so well, which is why many people choose SicK for this specific reason.
I hope this answered your question here, and your question about Victor vs SicK. Have a good night people
Helix_Exton [#3]It lets you have many different compositions that you can pull out at any time. FPX in EU plays 2-3 comps on every map in order to make it more difficult for their opponents to do research and play the "perfect" counter comp. You definitely don't have to be able to be the best at every agent as that would be absurd, but you should understand every agent at the very least. Flexibility will trump mastery over time as more agents, maps, and general balance changes lead to meta changes and things that prevent a player from exerting their skill and mastery over one agent over other players with more looks and flexibility.
fpx omegalul
Helix_Exton [#6]Omegalul only the best team in the world
-lose to liquid and gambit
-"best team world"
Helix_Exton [#6]Omegalul only the best team in the world
"best team in the world" not even qualifying for iceland?
Helix_Exton [#6]Omegalul only the best team in the world
can't be best team world if you can't make worlds
Helix_Exton [#6]Omegalul only the best team in the world
I really think that they could easily be the best team in the world and I will admit that I did not watch their most recent matches before posting as I have been busy, which was stupid of me.
It is extremely surprising to me that they lost and dropped out, I will definitely watch their matches to see what went wrong and if I have anything interesting to say about it I will create a thread in order to lay out my thoughts.
Helix_Exton [#10]I really think that they could easily be the best team in the world and I will admit that I did not watch their most recent matches before posting as I have been busy, which was stupid of me.
It is extremely surprising to me that they lost and dropped out, I will definitely watch their matches to see what went wrong and if I have anything interesting to say about it I will create a thread in order to lay out my thoughts.
honestly liquid just outplayed them on every aspect of the game but i dont know what happened with gambit.
gamotonsinatraa [#11]honestly liquid just outplayed them on every aspect of the game but i dont know what happened with gambit.
Same happened. Out-aimed out-paced.
gamotonsinatraa [#11]honestly liquid just outplayed them on every aspect of the game but i dont know what happened with gambit.
Same but in different style. TL used unusual pick to set FPX off and then just stomped them. Gambit used their comfort pick and just methodically outplayed FPX.
Tbf Dimasick was underperforming but so does Redgar. Not sure if it is relevant tho.
FireII [#4]If we are comparing 2 players at face value and inserted them into x team, where on that team the roles wouldn't be set in stone, players who have a larger agent pool will be of greater value. I presume you made this thread because of people saying SicK is better than Victor because he can flex many roles. In this general comparison, the first thing we would compare is them on the Phoenix. Before this comparison, I'm going to say these 2 shouldn't be compared because the way they play Phoenix is very different. SicK will help TenZ get into a prime position for entry onto the site using utility, and TenZ will entry frag (a lot of the time if they are together). Vic will be the straight-up entry fragger, using utility to help himself get the frag. With that being said here are the stats of each.
SicK who has played Phoenix 27 times:
ACS: 258.8
ADR:160.5
K/D: 1.38Victor who has played Phoenix 28 times:
ACS: 272.5
ADR: 164.6
K/D: 1.4These stats are the most simple stats we have, and they are very, very similar.
As I said before, Victor is a main entry fragger, SicK can entry, but he supports the entry very well. Here are stats to back this up:SicK First Kill/First Death ratio:
84/56Victor First Kill/First Death Ratio:
117/71We see that Victor is basically better at entrying, while other values are very similar. Now that we've done the Phoenix comparison, I think we can agree that Victor may bring more value, and we have also seen that he can use utility very well in combo (i'm referring to the molly astra suck combo in ascent a main).
Moving on now to the reason why other agent flexibility may be brought up. Yes, I would say Victor is a better Phoenix player than SicK. But can he play another role on the team? Not really. So going back to the point at the start, having flexibility makes you a more valuable player, not necessarily a better one. If we have the perfect team, and the only slot open is a Phoenix/entry fragger role, I am picking Victor over SicK. If we can flex comps by using agents such as Sage, Viper, Skye, Breach, etc., I'd take SicK. The comparison is all based around the supporting cast, and I don't think there's every going to be a perfect team scenario, where the entry fits so well, which is why many people choose SicK for this specific reason.
I hope this answered your question here, and your question about Victor vs SicK. Have a good night people
Tl:dr
Sick is 2nd place best in phoenix, Victor 1st place best in phoenix, Sick is having a flexibility in agent pool so he has a benefit to the team, Victor always play phoenix not all map but i see him play pnix on ascent haven and bind
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