Monday, March 27th
12:30 PM EDT
Patch 6.05
NAVI ban Haven; KOI ban Pearl; NAVI pick Ascent; KOI pick Lotus; NAVI ban Icebox; KOI ban Fracture; Split remains
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Valorant
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Maps/Stats
All Maps
1 Ascent
2 Lotus
3 Split
All Kills
First Kills
Op Kills
Zyppan
NAVI
cNed
NAVI
SUYGETSU
NAVI
ANGE1
NAVI
Shao
NAVI
starxo
KOI
16
5
+11
8
3
+5
8
9
-1
8
10
-2
10
10
+0
sheydos
KOI
13
2
+11
16
9
+7
15
4
+11
10
8
+2
9
8
+1
koldamenta
KOI
4
4
+0
3
10
-7
6
7
-1
4
9
-5
2
8
-6
Wolfen
KOI
1
5
-4
7
12
-5
6
10
-4
6
9
-3
16
7
+9
trexx
KOI
7
14
-7
9
7
+2
8
7
+1
15
7
+8
6
6
+0
Zyppan
NAVI
cNed
NAVI
SUYGETSU
NAVI
ANGE1
NAVI
Shao
NAVI
starxo
KOI
1
1
+0
2
0
+2
2
1
+1
1
1
+0
0
1
-1
sheydos
KOI
1
1
+0
2
0
+2
koldamenta
KOI
0
1
-1
0
1
-1
Wolfen
KOI
0
1
-1
3
3
+0
0
1
-1
3
1
+2
3
2
+1
trexx
KOI
1
2
-1
5
4
+1
2
1
+1
6
2
+4
0
2
-2
Zyppan
NAVI
cNed
NAVI
SUYGETSU
NAVI
ANGE1
NAVI
Shao
NAVI
starxo
KOI
sheydos
KOI
koldamenta
KOI
Wolfen
KOI
1
0
+1
2
0
+2
trexx
KOI
1
0
+1
2K 3K 4K 5K 1v1 1v2 1v3 1v4 1v5 ECON PL DE
koldamenta
KOI
3
1
29
7
2
starxo
KOI
14
2
1
1
56
6
2
sheydos
KOI
13
6
1
1
1
74
4
2
trexx
KOI
9
2
1
49
3
3
Wolfen
KOI
8
1
40
1
3
Zyppan
NAVI
2
1
36
3
3
ANGE1
NAVI
10
1
1
51
1
0
Shao
NAVI
7
2
45
11
3
cNed
NAVI
6
2
2
1
54
0
2
SUYGETSU
NAVI
9
1
40
6
2
Zyppan
NAVI
cNed
NAVI
SUYGETSU
NAVI
ANGE1
NAVI
Shao
NAVI
starxo
KOI
5
3
+2
2
1
+1
2
2
+0
2
4
-2
3
3
+0
sheydos
KOI
6
0
+6
5
4
+1
8
0
+8
5
4
+1
3
1
+2
koldamenta
KOI
1
3
-2
1
2
-1
2
1
+1
2
3
-1
1
3
-2
Wolfen
KOI
0
1
-1
1
8
-7
2
2
+0
3
2
+1
6
3
+3
trexx
KOI
3
5
-2
4
1
+3
1
0
+1
3
5
-2
1
2
-1
Zyppan
NAVI
cNed
NAVI
SUYGETSU
NAVI
ANGE1
NAVI
Shao
NAVI
starxo
KOI
0
1
-1
sheydos
KOI
1
1
+0
1
0
+1
koldamenta
KOI
Wolfen
KOI
0
1
-1
1
3
-2
0
1
-1
2
1
+1
3
1
+2
trexx
KOI
1
0
+1
2
0
+2
Zyppan
NAVI
cNed
NAVI
SUYGETSU
NAVI
ANGE1
NAVI
Shao
NAVI
starxo
KOI
sheydos
KOI
koldamenta
KOI
Wolfen
KOI
1
0
+1
2
0
+2
trexx
KOI
2K 3K 4K 5K 1v1 1v2 1v3 1v4 1v5 ECON PL DE
koldamenta
KOI
1
Round 3
cNed
Shao
37
1
0
starxo
KOI
4
Round 7
Shao
cNed
Round 8
cNed
Zyppan
Round 13
ANGE1
SUYGETSU
Round 15
SUYGETSU
ANGE1
54
2
1
sheydos
KOI
5
Round 7
ANGE1
SUYGETSU
Round 9
cNed
Shao
Round 10
cNed
Zyppan
Round 14
Zyppan
SUYGETSU
Round 19
ANGE1
Zyppan
4
Round 3
Zyppan
ANGE1
SUYGETSU
Round 4
Shao
cNed
SUYGETSU
Round 12
cNed
Zyppan
SUYGETSU
Round 20
ANGE1
SUYGETSU
cNed
92
0
2
trexx
KOI
3
Round 6
cNed
ANGE1
Round 9
ANGE1
SUYGETSU
Round 13
cNed
Zyppan
48
2
1
Wolfen
KOI
5
Round 8
Shao
SUYGETSU
Round 10
Shao
ANGE1
Round 12
ANGE1
Shao
Round 18
ANGE1
Shao
Round 19
cNed
SUYGETSU
41
0
0
Zyppan
NAVI
1
Round 17
starxo
trexx
38
2
0
ANGE1
NAVI
4
Round 5
sheydos
trexx
Round 16
trexx
sheydos
Round 17
Wolfen
koldamenta
Round 20
koldamenta
starxo
1
Round 11
Wolfen
starxo
koldamenta
trexx
61
0
0
Shao
NAVI
2
Round 5
Wolfen
starxo
Round 19
trexx
Wolfen
50
2
0
cNed
NAVI
1
Round 1
sheydos
Wolfen
2
Round 2
sheydos
starxo
Wolfen
koldamenta
Round 15
Wolfen
trexx
sheydos
koldamenta
65
0
0
SUYGETSU
NAVI
28
4
0
Zyppan
NAVI
cNed
NAVI
SUYGETSU
NAVI
ANGE1
NAVI
Shao
NAVI
starxo
KOI
11
2
+9
6
2
+4
6
7
-1
6
6
+0
7
7
+0
sheydos
KOI
7
2
+5
11
5
+6
7
4
+3
5
4
+1
6
7
-1
koldamenta
KOI
3
1
+2
2
8
-6
4
6
-2
2
6
-4
1
5
-4
Wolfen
KOI
1
4
-3
6
4
+2
4
8
-4
3
7
-4
10
4
+6
trexx
KOI
4
9
-5
5
6
-1
7
7
+0
12
2
+10
5
4
+1
Zyppan
NAVI
cNed
NAVI
SUYGETSU
NAVI
ANGE1
NAVI
Shao
NAVI
starxo
KOI
1
0
+1
2
0
+2
2
1
+1
1
1
+0
0
1
-1
sheydos
KOI
1
0
+1
koldamenta
KOI
0
1
-1
0
1
-1
Wolfen
KOI
2
0
+2
1
0
+1
0
1
-1
trexx
KOI
0
2
-2
3
4
-1
2
1
+1
6
2
+4
0
2
-2
Zyppan
NAVI
cNed
NAVI
SUYGETSU
NAVI
ANGE1
NAVI
Shao
NAVI
starxo
KOI
sheydos
KOI
koldamenta
KOI
Wolfen
KOI
trexx
KOI
1
0
+1
2K 3K 4K 5K 1v1 1v2 1v3 1v4 1v5 ECON PL DE
koldamenta
KOI
2
Round 2
Zyppan
cNed
Round 5
SUYGETSU
Shao
1
Round 16
Shao
ANGE1
21
6
2
starxo
KOI
10
Round 5
ANGE1
cNed
Round 8
Zyppan
ANGE1
Round 11
SUYGETSU
Zyppan
Round 14
ANGE1
Shao
Round 19
SUYGETSU
Zyppan
Round 20
Shao
ANGE1
Round 26
Shao
ANGE1
Round 32
Shao
Zyppan
Round 37
Zyppan
cNed
Round 38
cNed
Zyppan
2
Round 31
Zyppan
ANGE1
Shao
Round 36
Shao
SUYGETSU
Zyppan
1
Round 31
Shao
1
Round 36
Zyppan
Shao
SUYGETSU
57
4
1
sheydos
KOI
8
Round 6
Shao
SUYGETSU
Round 14
cNed
SUYGETSU
Round 18
ANGE1
cNed
Round 24
SUYGETSU
Zyppan
Round 29
Shao
cNed
Round 30
cNed
Shao
Round 37
SUYGETSU
ANGE1
Round 38
ANGE1
SUYGETSU
2
Round 3
Zyppan
SUYGETSU
Shao
Round 33
cNed
Shao
Zyppan
1
Round 21
cNed
Shao
Zyppan
SUYGETSU
1
Round 21
SUYGETSU
1
Round 33
Zyppan
Shao
55
4
0
trexx
KOI
6
Round 16
cNed
SUYGETSU
Round 18
Shao
Zyppan
Round 19
Shao
ANGE1
Round 20
cNed
SUYGETSU
Round 24
ANGE1
Shao
Round 33
ANGE1
SUYGETSU
2
Round 13
SUYGETSU
cNed
ANGE1
Round 17
Zyppan
Shao
SUYGETSU
1
Round 9
Shao
ANGE1
SUYGETSU
Zyppan
cNed
50
1
2
Wolfen
KOI
3
Round 11
Shao
cNed
Round 13
Zyppan
Shao
Round 26
cNed
SUYGETSU
1
Round 28
cNed
Shao
SUYGETSU
39
1
3
Zyppan
NAVI
1
Round 27
trexx
sheydos
1
Round 5
koldamenta
34
1
3
ANGE1
NAVI
6
Round 4
starxo
Wolfen
Round 6
sheydos
koldamenta
Round 16
starxo
sheydos
Round 25
koldamenta
sheydos
Round 27
starxo
Wolfen
Round 32
sheydos
Wolfen
1
Round 32
Wolfen
40
1
0
Shao
NAVI
5
Round 2
starxo
sheydos
Round 6
starxo
Wolfen
Round 15
koldamenta
sheydos
Round 23
trexx
sheydos
Round 28
koldamenta
starxo
2
Round 5
sheydos
Wolfen
starxo
Round 31
sheydos
koldamenta
Wolfen
39
9
3
cNed
NAVI
5
Round 10
sheydos
koldamenta
Round 15
starxo
Wolfen
Round 22
sheydos
koldamenta
Round 32
trexx
koldamenta
Round 35
koldamenta
sheydos
2
Round 12
trexx
koldamenta
starxo
Round 34
sheydos
trexx
koldamenta
1
Round 9
sheydos
Wolfen
trexx
42
0
2
SUYGETSU
NAVI
9
Round 4
koldamenta
sheydos
Round 7
trexx
sheydos
Round 12
sheydos
Wolfen
Round 17
Wolfen
sheydos
Round 21
starxo
koldamenta
Round 24
Wolfen
trexx
Round 29
koldamenta
trexx
Round 34
starxo
Wolfen
Round 38
trexx
Wolfen
1
Round 1
starxo
koldamenta
Wolfen
51
2
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#1
moatz
-10
Frags
+

NAVI 2-0

#62
south_america_lover
43
Frags
+

😂

#64
babysasuke
-35
Frags
+

Are you laughing because the GOAT was wrong, or because NAVI dropped a map to these frauds?

#95
AnToxX
19
Frags
+

What do u have to say now?

#103
Pengu12
9
Frags
+

NAVI dropped two maps to these frauds

#109
babysasuke
-9
Frags
+

exactly this lmfao

#125
moatz
-12
Frags
+

all good. nobody rlly cared abt this clash of trash

#123
ConorMc04
0
Frags
+

2 maps*

#146
dex_
0
Frags
+

not one map, two.

#113
notDREAM3R
0
Frags
+

haha

#2
ChromeDZN
27
Frags
+

Koi 2-1

#44
minte
20
Frags
+

😔 the downvotes

#47
ChromeDZN
8
Frags
+

😔

#92
minte
15
Frags
+

THE -12 DOWNVOTES SILENCED.

VAMOS KOI

#116
ChromeDZN
7
Frags
+

VAMOSSSS

#53
nelxoon
7
Frags
+

idk why it got so many downvotes, koi even looked very good in lock-in already

#3
Sentry1
-18
Frags
+

NAVI 26-0

#136
Nitocrys
11
Frags
+

almost

#4
meyournightmare
-10
Frags
+

NAVI 2-0

#5
sexocum
-11
Frags
+

navi 2-1 or 2-0 if koi has the same shite mental as lock/in

#6
ARANHADUMAAR
5
Frags
+

koldamenta's bald for the win bro

#126
sexocum
0
Frags
+

what the fuck

#7
koromast
-2
Frags
+

since we all already know NA´VI players we know this a navi 2-1, even a 2-0 but i really like the koi roster so i hope this match was later and not the first tbh koi, vit and gia got the hardest teams on the first match and i dont know why but its kind of suspicious imo because this couldve been closer if this matches were done a bit later and the rosters already had time to get comfortable with their new roster but ok "unlucky", i guess riot really wants emea´s 3 (or 4) slots for masters to get picked up easy by the already favourite teams and the only contenders will most likely already have 1 L so.

#8
Number_1_Sheydos_Fan
3
Frags
+

inshallalah shidos

#58
gniook
0
Frags
+

inshallalah sheydos king

#9
CharlesOlendario
1
Frags
+

Navi 2 - 0

#10
Sentry1
-2
Frags
+

Navi 26-0

#11
AdhesiveLizard
11
Frags
+

COPIUM KOI 2-0

#12
avepalto
-3
Frags
+

NAVI 2-0 13-4 13-10

#13
Kirya
-2
Frags
+

Navi 2-0

#14
meyournightmare
-10
Frags
+

NAVI 2-0 overrated team🗿

#15
kedylol
-2
Frags
+

Navi 2-0

#16
jupiterr
-3
Frags
+

NAVI 2-0 in close games

#17
FORZABBL
-3
Frags
+

Navi 2-1

#18
MitiYa
-1
Frags
+

Duo Shao & Suy > Duo Trexx & Sheydoss

#19
kedylol
1
Frags
+

NAVI 2-0 close game

#20
ROTQSIZ
-1
Frags
+

NAVİ 2-0 gg

#21
antikapasiki
-1
Frags
+

ez for cNed

#22
Next1
-12
Frags
+

Navi 2-0
13-0
13-0

💀

#23
KarmaBalance
3
Frags
+

COPIUM KOI 2-1

#24
condsicc
0
Frags
+

Let the shao show begin
2-0 navi

#25
Miting
-1
Frags
+

Navi 2-1

#26
Miting
0
Frags
+

but I may agree on KOI 2-1 as well

#27
D_SlayerR
-1
Frags
+

Navi 2 - 1 KOI

#28
D_SlayerR
0
Frags
+

Ojalá gane koi, pero lo tiene difícil

#29
Sh1rpie
1
Frags
+

COME ON SHEYDOS!!!

#30
yandexx
3
Frags
+

These matches are swapped
https://twitter.com/valesports_emea/status/1638894349034594304

ℹ️ Update: The #VCTEMEA Day 1 match order has been switched! 👇

🕔 18:00 CEST ⏩@KOI
🆚 @NAVIValorant

🕔 21:00 CEST ⏩@FNATIC
🆚 @GiantsGaming

#31
MingH
0
Frags
+

NAVI 2-0 KOI

#32
Achu
2
Frags
+

would give koi a map if their duelist was somewhat able to shoot back, but this wolfen fella is using a ps4 controller sadly

#33
Prontera
0
Frags
+

Is this gonna be on stage?

#34
IusedToBeAgirl
0
Frags
+

yes

#35
emollaaa
0
Frags
+

NAVI 2-1

#36
_nakuwul
0
Frags
+

Koi 2-1 if sheydos plays reyna on icebox😍

#38
Vianx11
1
Frags
+

gambit vibes

#37
Vianx11
-6
Frags
+

koi aint getting more than 10 rounds total

#41
Raiiii
0
Frags
+

13-9 13-7 , KOI get 16 rounds easy

#86
z0uda
5
Frags
+

kekw

#39
Aartanis
8
Frags
+

kaquka is soo hot

#40
burritx
0
Frags
+

gekko moment

#42
Achu
-1
Frags
+

no surprise to see wolfen hindering his team once again by playing an a ps4 pad

#43
Blicky
1
Frags
+

Let's go KOI!

#45
proud_bandwagoners
5
Frags
+

CIS players wtf

#46
Blicky
8
Frags
+

Sheydos most underrated in the world fs

#48
insanepeeker
1
Frags
+

GG KOI EZ

#49
MANIAC8686
2
Frags
+

I LOVE THIS TEAM 😭

#50
rowchen
-2
Frags
+

sheydos played his life-game

#51
AdhesiveLizard
1
Frags
+

match ain't over bois 💪🗿

#52
ENT_Gr1ef
2
Frags
+

Koi 2-0

#54
Cactux
-2
Frags
+

KOI VAMOSS

#55
Rivneb
0
Frags
+

What’s happened to Navi? Why was shao using phantom when he is headshot god? Suygetsu can’t even aim? Trollink

#56
mralmhuada
4
Frags
+

Bogdan Naumov muestra sus Koisitas

#57
batchestingveryhard
0
Frags
+

Koi upset 😮

#59
BLuko
0
Frags
+

All good. Hopefully Navi bounces back and we can see a nice bo3 for the opening match

#60
1ucid
0
Frags
+

navi so sharky

#61
HA0KING
0
Frags
+

Russki>S0mple eziest 3.1 odds on 1 map

#63
Happyguy
3
Frags
+

I miss Gambit 😔

#65
IDozaI
0
Frags
+

Wolfen franchise player 💪

#66
juno_VLR
6
Frags
+

who are these casters!! 100% better than any duo they’re paying in tier 1 right now.

#75
juno_VLR
-3
Frags
+

nevermind they are screaming nonsensically and squealing their asses off in overtime now, just like all the others 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

#143
AllMight
0
Frags
+

I agree he went overboard when starxo got a double. STARXOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I mean I get it was 18-17 or something

#144
juno_VLR
0
Frags
+

man said “Starxo STARxo STARXOO STAAAaaaaAAARRRR44xxxXXXXXOOOOoooooOoo…..”
until his voice died
like literally decided in his head it would be a good idea to scream if one last time as loud and long as possible

edit it was round 37

#67
angels1query
0
Frags
+

navi trolling

#68
ComradeVonAustria
0
Frags
+

lotus from one of the most attaxk sided map to defense lol 10-5 10-11

#69
insanepeeker
2
Frags
+

You bet on Navi that's why lol

#70
ComradeVonAustria
0
Frags
+

no i had koi +1.5 navi overrated af cned poopned look my comments previously i hate noobvi

#73
insanepeeker
0
Frags
+

XD good job lil bro

#71
monsichas16
0
Frags
+

bro make this OT stop I'm dying from heart attack.

#72
lulshotXD
0
Frags
+

end this fking game now

#74
Creaz
4
Frags
+

Sheydos is insane

#76
AdhesiveLizard
3
Frags
+

FUCKING BANGER WHAT A MATCH WHAT MATCH HOLY SHIEEET. STARXO U ABSOLUTE BEAUTY FUCK

#88
AdhesiveLizard
0
Frags
+

SORRY FOR DOUBTING U FROM LOCKIN HOLLY SHIET

#77
UncleBrimstone
0
Frags
+

nice 2v4 throw navi

#78
rina
0
Frags
+

wow what a fucking game

#79
HA0KING
0
Frags
+

No Boombl4 no win eziest money on ma life +_+) ty navi fangays

#80
eeeeeeeee
0
Frags
+

VERY WELL DONE KOI

#81
1ucid
0
Frags
+

navi kekw

#82
muharrik
0
Frags
+

fuk me in the ass bro what a game

#83
mave
3
Frags
+

sheydos +32 wtf

#84
Vtorn1k
3
Frags
+

KOI played very well and won, it was a performance that I really did not expect, respect.

#85
Cocopuff
0
Frags
+

bruhhhhhhhh

#87
belyy1337
4
Frags
+

LETS FUCKING GO GJJJ STARXO

#89
Gutssz
0
Frags
+

4.80 ODDS dude wtf KKKKKKKK

#135
heitor505
0
Frags
+

even got it for 5.6, just crazy stuff

#90
brezyyy
17
Frags
+

NaVi fans downvoting everyone who said KOI wins before match 💀

#91
FNC_Ajay
1
Frags
+

Need TL ,karmine to fire up
This league will be best among all 3 easily

#93
mx_arment
0
Frags
+

LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

#94
Chow1E
0
Frags
+

thats 9-3 is the answer lmao

#96
reeeer
5
Frags
+

This was probably the best lotus map played till now, the amount of clutches and crazy plays is huge!

#97
BigFatBatman
6
Frags
+

Starxo redeemed himself for his performance at lock in 💯

#98
Mikko
0
Frags
+

How can you lose 3v1 postplant ?

#142
Itsover
1
Frags
+

Navi tag curse, lose the unloseable

#99
FNC_Ajay
6
Frags
+

Gambit players are still the best

#100
neim0
0
Frags
+

COPE for all NAVI 2-0 enjoyers xD

#101
insanepeeker
-1
Frags
+

NRG>>> Navi

#102
Kaleidoscope80
0
Frags
+

What a match. Well done KOI

#104
Vianx11
0
Frags
+

insane game

#105
crashhacker1
0
Frags
+

i was here

#106
Vaibhav
1
Frags
+

When Ange1 is your best performing player, you know shit is not right

#107
FNC_Ajay
4
Frags
+

Sheydos +32 fucking insane

Must be the highest in a Bo3

#114
frakeN
2
Frags
+

yeah he is the best player on the team, most consistent

#108
Dromus_10
0
Frags
+

koldamenta 19 kills in 58 rounds, good thing he is a great igl xD wp koi

#112
crashhacker1
4
Frags
+

his util was very good which makes up for it

#120
Dromus_10
4
Frags
+

true, and his reads as well, i think his performance was solid overall

#119
lalaser93
3
Frags
+

He had the flu (look he was putting on a mask). The koi stream said he had had fever yesterday. He is a non-fragger for sure, but I would not judge him for today.

#124
Dromus_10
0
Frags
+

i didnt know that, but i wasnt criticizing, just pointing that out because its not something you see everyday

#127
Codeownage
2
Frags
+

was with fever 39,5 last night.

#110
canyon
0
Frags
+

damn people made a lot of money tonight

#111
paanuu
1
Frags
+

SHEYDOS MY GOAT

#115
Marcusgeez
0
Frags
+

meyournightmare in the mud

#117
RandomCloud
0
Frags
+

Holy Fuckk

#118
OnlyOneStar2
1
Frags
+

Damnnnnn what happened here KOI was ready for navi

#121
SouLRahuL10
5
Frags
+

Starxo's clutch literally saved KOI. Fantastic play by the whole team

#122
AdhesiveLizard
4
Frags
+

Starxo pulling up the impossible 🤯

#128
angels1query
0
Frags
+

troll comps from navi, overcooking, expected

#133
Simgqta
-1
Frags
+

Actually no the lotus comp, from NaVi was better than KOI because the sova, acutally botj palyed well, bit Koi wins more important situations

#129
ricox
1
Frags
+

Nice job Navi for ruining everyone's pick ems

#130
solsolid
6
Frags
+

navi fuck around too much, now they find out koi can whoop their ass

#131
koromast
3
Frags
+

so do you guys still think starxo is a fraud? for me the only one i can think of rn is wolfen but well he wasnt that bad this time tbh.

#132
Xedo723
4
Frags
+

Who let them cook 🔥

#134
aKuzxan
0
Frags
+

LETSGO

#137
KyLZi
1
Frags
+

All good, this is classic Ange1 until they find some crazy good comps for the new meta

#138
sightx
0
Frags
+

322

#139
Sita_MOE
3
Frags
+

20-18 respect from both team

#140
white_rain
0
Frags
+

sad with result but NT NAVI <3

#141
hansk588
0
Frags
+

navi overcook

#145
soraol
1
Frags
+

W KOI

#147
ColdWKey
4
Frags
+

Biggest fluke win

#148
sentinelmain377
1
Frags
+

W

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