- Navi (FPX just upgraded Jett player)
- Liquid (Most stacked roster on paper)
- Fnatic (Known to whiff so not going higher)
- KOI (Looked really good against NRG)
- GIANTS (Looked good but cant gauge based off recent match)
- Vitality (Good roster on paper)
- KCORP (Has the potential to be a good team)
- BBL (Took a map off DRX on first LAN appearance)
- FUT (Undetermined could go above BBL)
- Heretics (Looked mediocre against EG arguably a mid America team)
Top 3 can go anyway really, we haven't seen any of these teams seriously play yet.
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thatpower [#4]imo fnatic has the most stacked roster on paper but your right that they choke.
also i feel like bbl should be higher than kcorp
FPX didn't look awful after map 1 and DRX completely destroyed them the games they won. They managed to take a map but I wont overrate them because of it, they looked awful on the maps they lost.
SigmaMale [#8]"upgrade"
Ardiss and Cned are on the same tier player wise. Ardiss has more depth and can do more for a team but Cned has a insane Jett, which Ardiss is good on Jett but imo not to the level of Cned.
bro kcorp did not look like a good team. they looked way worse than heretics, certainly not above BBL. BBL too low, that roster, with some more experience, is a dark horse for a LAN spot. KCorp is 9, maybe 10 depends on how FUT looks vs GE. EG is, i say, a dark horse in americas. Where the Americas top teams are, EG is just right below it. Top dogs in americas are the 4 NA teams, LOUD and Leviatan. EG right below them, as in they could upset them if they are hot, then KRU and furia that typical mid tier team, then MIBR at the bottom
Rosario [#11]fnatic more stacked on paper tbh but yea
Derke > Jamppi
Chronicle < Sayf
Boaster <<<< Redgar
Alfa << Nats
Leo >>> Soulcas
close but no
theogblazen [#13]Derke > Jamppi
Chronicle < Sayf
Boaster <<<< Redgar
Alfa << Nats
Leo >>> Soulcas
close but no
who put sayf over chronicle? Yes sayf is a great player, but chronicle was M3C's best player, better than nats last year
CorpL [#12]bro kcorp did not look like a good team. they looked way worse than heretics, certainly not above BBL. BBL too low, that roster, with some more experience, is a dark horse for a LAN spot. KCorp is 9, maybe 10 depends on how FUT looks vs GE. EG is, i say, a dark horse in americas. Where the Americas top teams are, EG is just right below it. Top dogs in americas are the 4 NA teams, LOUD and Leviatan. EG right below them, as in they could upset them if they are hot, then KRU and furia that typical mid tier team, then MIBR at the bottom
Overrating BBL due to one map win seems to be what everyone is doing. Shinn, Scream and Nivera are a way stronger core than the BBL core and have more experience on LAN. They won their debut while being the underdog.
CorpL [#12]bro kcorp did not look like a good team. they looked way worse than heretics, certainly not above BBL. BBL too low, that roster, with some more experience, is a dark horse for a LAN spot. KCorp is 9, maybe 10 depends on how FUT looks vs GE. EG is, i say, a dark horse in americas. Where the Americas top teams are, EG is just right below it. Top dogs in americas are the 4 NA teams, LOUD and Leviatan. EG right below them, as in they could upset them if they are hot, then KRU and furia that typical mid tier team, then MIBR at the bottom
stay tuned tmmrw ill do Americas
CorpL [#14]who put sayf over chronicle? Yes sayf is a great player, but chronicle was M3C's best player, better than nats last year
Arguably the best player on Guild and if Chronicle was the best player last year that's pretty underwhelming considering they didn't qualify for anything. No disrespect towards Chronicle he is a amazing player, but Sayf undeniably had a better year. (Plus Jamppi >> Derke is such a possibility man is underrated asf)
theogblazen [#15]Overrating BBL due to one map win seems to be what everyone is doing. Shinn, Scream and Nivera are a way stronger core than the BBL core and have more experience on LAN. They won their debut while being the underdog.
who actually seriously put kcorp as the underdog in that match without hating them? any person with logic put kcorp sweeping 2-0 vs fpx. and they showed that nonsense of a haven map. pearl was better but not convincing enough to put them over BBL. BBl took, lemme remind you, ASCENT, off of, lemme remind you again, DRX, one of the favourite to win.
CorpL [#18]who actually seriously put kcorp as the underdog in that match without hating them? any person with logic put kcorp sweeping 2-0 vs fpx. and they showed that nonsense of a haven map. pearl was better but not convincing enough to put them over BBL. BBl took, lemme remind you, ASCENT, off of, lemme remind you again, DRX, one of the favourite to win.
DRX literally lost to GEN G on Ascent not to long ago. They have been shaky on the map with the new meta and could of been trying things in that match. KCORP has a stronger core and going into the match it was maybe 50/50 but they definitely are being underrated. (DRX ran a 3 initiator comp dont think thats ever even been done on LAN)
theogblazen [#17]Arguably the best player on Guild and if Chronicle was the best player last year that's pretty underwhelming considering they didn't qualify for anything. No disrespect towards Chronicle he is a amazing player, but Sayf undeniably had a better year. (Plus Jamppi >> Derke is such a possibility man is underrated asf)
dude they got so unlucky with the emea bracket last year. who did they actually lost to? A close 23-21 overtime lost to Fnatic, lost to a, at the time, very hot g2, lost to a, at the time, very hot Guild, with a role swap btw, then narrowly lost 2-1 to the BEST EMEA team FPX in the lower bracket, then at lcq they went flawless, but met a god-like version of Scream and Jamppi at the grand finals
CorpL [#21]dude they got so unlucky with the emea bracket last year. who did they actually lost to? A close 23-21 overtime lost to Fnatic, lost to a, at the time, very hot g2, lost to a, at the time, very hot Guild, with a role swap btw, then narrowly lost 2-1 to the BEST EMEA team FPX in the lower bracket, then at lcq they went flawless, but met a god-like version of Scream and Jamppi at the grand finals
I'm not saying he is bad? But again Sayf had a better year last year was arguably the best player on GUILD who had a better year than M3C. Chronicle can definitely come out and prove me wrong its close but if were going off last year its Sayf > Chronicle
YvngKurry [#20]Am I the only one who rates giants better than koi?
Rhyme >>> Koldamenta
Hoody < Sheydos
Nukkye >>> Starxo
Cloud <= Trexxx
Fitinho >= Wolfen
Wolfen is better than Fitinho
Trexxx is better than Cloud (like no way thats fr)
Sheydos clears Hoody
Rhyme and Nukkye are true
theogblazen [#19]DRX literally lost to GEN G on Ascent not to long ago. They have been shaky on the map with the new meta and could of been trying things in that match. KCORP has a stronger core and going into the match it was maybe 50/50 but they definitely are being underrated. (DRX ran a 3 initiator comp dont think thats ever even been done on LAN)
with Foxy9 in the lineup instead of zest? also didn't they run that exact comp last champions and beat FPX twice. sure its new meta, ascent meta is basically same shit. the second ascent team last year (LOUD was the best). and you saw with GenG, how good that team is, going toe-to-toe with one of the best team in the world. KCorp's game was SO SHAKY. I repeat, THEY WERE SUPER SHAKY vs a rookie fpx team. they were being underrated by Haters. No one underrates them whatsoever if they have a brain to think. 50/50 how? they should have swept fpx clean, instead what i saw, and what most pros saw, and what people with brain cells for valorant saw, was a messy match.
theogblazen [#22]I'm not saying he is bad? But again Sayf had a better year last year was arguably the best player on GUILD who had a better year than M3C. Chronicle can definitely come out and prove me wrong its close but if were going off last year its Sayf > Chronicle
they had 1 hot run and beat M3C, who was at the time going through changes with the roles, the messy russian stuff last year, to go to copenhagen. otherwise, if we looking the entire year as a picture, M3C still had a better year overall, they just got SUPER unlucky with their opponent
theogblazen [#23]Wolfen is better than Fitinho
Trexxx is better than Cloud (like no way thats fr)
Sheydos clears Hoody
Rhyme and Nukkye are true
sheydos is a beast, he's just on the wrong role.
theogblazen [#7]FPX didn't look awful after map 1 and DRX completely destroyed them the games they won. They managed to take a map but I wont overrate them because of it, they looked awful on the maps they lost.
tbh that's fair
CorpL [#24]with Foxy9 in the lineup instead of zest? also didn't they run that exact comp last champions and beat FPX twice. sure its new meta, ascent meta is basically same shit. the second ascent team last year (LOUD was the best). and you saw with GenG, how good that team is, going toe-to-toe with one of the best team in the world. KCorp's game was SO SHAKY. I repeat, THEY WERE SUPER SHAKY vs a rookie fpx team. they were being underrated by Haters. No one underrates them whatsoever if they have a brain to think. 50/50 how? they should have swept fpx clean, instead what i saw, and what most pros saw, and what people with brain cells for valorant saw, was a messy match.
They have fun this comp before but never beat LOUD on this map? Gen G is good but no insane did they take a map off of LOUD? Cause that seems to be you're logic here and I'm not understanding. What makes a team a "rookie" team and not only that this team just beat EDG 2 months ago. They looked bad first map but picked it up in the second and looked a lot more comfortable. Underrating the Chinese scene is crazy, they have insane strats and are getting there mechanically.
theogblazen [#28]They have fun this comp before but never beat LOUD on this map? Gen G is good but no insane did they take a map off of LOUD? Cause that seems to be you're logic here and I'm not understanding. What makes a team a "rookie" team and not only that this team just beat EDG 2 months ago. They looked bad first map but picked it up in the second and looked a lot more comfortable. Underrating the Chinese scene is crazy, they have insane strats and are getting there mechanically.
dude they are a Rookie team on the international stage. im not underrating chinese scene. that was their first international lan, throwing in the format in there, and kcorp, with scream as the leader, with shin, xms and nivera, should have the clear LAN advantage. GenG was one round, one round from taking a map from LOUD, while putting up great looking attacking side on pearl. did you actually watch the match? at one moment, people actually thought they were in danger, it took saadhak's heroic round 22, cauanzin and tuyz's 2v5 clutch on round 18, which would have put geng up 10-8, instead of 10-9 down because they had to eco. i might be underrating FPX, but you are overrating the hell out of kcorp and underrating the hell out of BBL
theogblazen [#28]They have fun this comp before but never beat LOUD on this map? Gen G is good but no insane did they take a map off of LOUD? Cause that seems to be you're logic here and I'm not understanding. What makes a team a "rookie" team and not only that this team just beat EDG 2 months ago. They looked bad first map but picked it up in the second and looked a lot more comfortable. Underrating the Chinese scene is crazy, they have insane strats and are getting there mechanically.
do you know why fpx got haven. its because kcorp gifted them 4-5 rounds because of the 1 person A hold without contesting A lobby strat. Like what? we all know there's 3 ways to hold A, op a long, contesting a lobby through sewers, or retake. im not underrating them whatsoever, FPX played a good haven, but Kcorp was SO BAD on that map. dude and also DRX never beat LOUD on ascent because THEY NEVER ACTUALLY PLAYED LOUD ON ASCENT
YvngKurry [#20]Am I the only one who rates giants better than koi?
Rhyme >>> Koldamenta
Hoody < Sheydos
Nukkye >>> Starxo
Cloud <= Trexxx
Fitinho >= Wolfen
are you rating rhyme over koldamenta in fragging ability bc koldamenta as a igl is much more proven
theogblazen [#23]Wolfen is better than Fitinho
Trexxx is better than Cloud (like no way thats fr)
Sheydos clears Hoody
Rhyme and Nukkye are true
The more I see people talk about cloud, the more I realise he's the most underrated player in T1 EMEA, trexx used go hold to that position last year before he proved himself. You'll see soon
maybe EG isn’t a mid team…?
this is their first match since the roster dropped and they played really well today. they were a very well-rounded team and each player was integral to their win. ethan was their most stand out player today, and even then he didn’t do much more than any other teammate. they’re a solid 3-6 in terms of americas rn, just depends on how they play in the future
Subreezy [#34]maybe EG isn’t a mid team…?
this is their first match since the roster dropped and they played really well today. they were a very well-rounded team and each player was integral to their win. ethan was their most stand out player today, and even then he didn’t do much more than any other teammate. they’re a solid 3-6 in terms of americas rn, just depends on how they play in the future
America’s is stacked they are around the 6-7 spot. Do people really see this team beating some of the stacked rosters in America’s. And people are underrating Furia like this roster didn’t only improve in the off season.
CorpL [#25]they had 1 hot run and beat M3C, who was at the time going through changes with the roles, the messy russian stuff last year, to go to copenhagen. otherwise, if we looking the entire year as a picture, M3C still had a better year overall, they just got SUPER unlucky with their opponent
Didnt qual for a single event and lost to GUILD twice? In no way what so ever did they have a better year. Sayf had the better season and I understand the argument but if basing off the last time we seen these players Sayf>Chronicle
CorpL [#30]do you know why fpx got haven. its because kcorp gifted them 4-5 rounds because of the 1 person A hold without contesting A lobby strat. Like what? we all know there's 3 ways to hold A, op a long, contesting a lobby through sewers, or retake. im not underrating them whatsoever, FPX played a good haven, but Kcorp was SO BAD on that map. dude and also DRX never beat LOUD on ascent because THEY NEVER ACTUALLY PLAYED LOUD ON ASCENT
I think time will tell. You are acting as if I put KCORP top 5 and BBL in number 10 they are one slot apart and that game would be 50/50 and that would be pretty agreed upon saying BBL would convincingly beat or putting them over KCORP as of right now doesn't make sense to me
theogblazen [#37]I think time will tell. You are acting as if I put KCORP top 5 and BBL in number 10 they are one slot apart and that game would be 50/50 and that would be pretty agreed upon saying BBL would convincingly beat or putting them over KCORP as of right now doesn't make sense to me
im just making an argument that BBL would convincingly beat Kcorp and the gap between Heretics and Kcorp are a lot closer than you might think. like i said, the bo3 kcorp vs fpx was probably the worst series to watch so far, as both teams looked super sloppy with questionable strats and comps. I'm just not allowing any BBL slander after that performance vs DRX that's all
theogblazen [#36]Didnt qual for a single event and lost to GUILD twice? In no way what so ever did they have a better year. Sayf had the better season and I understand the argument but if basing off the last time we seen these players Sayf>Chronicle
if you actually look at the entire season again, they were 0.02 seconds away from a spot in Reykjavík. lost to a, undeniably, on-fire Guild, and the best EMEA team FPX narrowly 2-1. And they were flawless until Scream and Jamppi became gods. since they didn't make a LAN, everyone forgot how close each time they were to qualify. Guild definitely had the better peak, but consistently, M3C had a better year, as apart from that copenhagen run, which i won't deny, stage 1 and LCQ were disappointments. im not denying that sayf is a great player. He is a great player, but putting him over the likes of chronicle is so wild to me. Honestly, sure you can make the argument that Guild had a better season because they made LAN, beat optic, got out of group, but i would argue Leo was their best player during that copenhagen run.
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