Are NA CS players wasting their career?

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ajwinner

What do you think? If most of the remaining NA CS players had switched to Val in 2020 they could be making the 35-40k per month salaries and get to play from LA for most of the year.

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they play a game they enjoy, they dont do it for the money (usually)

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I wonder if they'll regret that

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wahhh na cs players aren't moving to valorant wahhhhh

Madge why aren't they coming to valorant, they should leave CS Madge
why are they playing a game they like to play rather than valorant wahhhhh

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bro chill I hate csgo a much as the next guy but don't be creepy, they obv know what's the best for themselves

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The ones that stayed are still getting payed well.

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theres no way the salaries are that high

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For the 5 partnered NA teams yes they are that high

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any proof cuz nearly 500k a year isnt very believeable

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ajwinner

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GE ceo and George Geddes both confirmed it

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Liquid's CS players earn 40k a month

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NA orgs are crazy, they pay an insane amount of money for every single esport it's actually hilarious

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NA cs players already earn 40k a month lol nt

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ajwinner

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LMAO no way you think this

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https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/x1rath/smooya_leaks_cerq_and_brehze_are_being_paid_over/
they are LOL, u are delusional
cerq, brezhe 30k USD
https://www.dust2.us/news/29259/apex-on-la-pause-podcast-stewie2k-is-not-made-to-be-a-captain
stewie 40k euros

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eg paying for 15 players
like half of them on crazy inflated wages
atleast they made the major lol

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G2ShahZaM

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being good in cs does not translate to being good in valorant this is common knowledge

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It definitely does mechanically

The only challenge is learning proper tactics

Edit: why am I getting downvoted lmao, legit half the NA scene comes from CSGO, my point should be common sense

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average clown9 fan / burger brain take

half of the NA scene came to valorant when it was first released which was before they had an esports scene or competitive at all, the game was totally brand new and everybody used their skills from CS in valorant

the game has evolved so much over nearly 3 years, nowadays your cs skill doesnt translate to valorant

so you're wrong, a prime example is Stewie who was ok at csgo but is dogshit in valorant and now is dogshit in cs too

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ok at csgo? my man, stewie was completely asscheeks towards the tail end of his career.

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u are dumb af ofcourse it does,its just about adapting to the mechanics if you can do that its honestly easy as fuck mechanically and ur fundamentals are already 10x more nourished than someones who came from a different game like ow or fortnite

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So you’re telling me that CSGO pros dominated mechanically and eventually tactics evolved and caused a barrier of entry…

Almost as if good csgo mechanics transfer to valorant, and the only challenge is learning tactics.

You took the time for that whole write up just to prove my point lmaoo

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USA
C9 flair

didn't ask + ratio

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Danny

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Yeah mate as someone from the Netherlands you must be an expert☠️☠️☠️

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TSM_IS_MY_FLAIR

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hey buddy where are you? C9 lost KEKW AHAHAHAHAHHAHA
CRY HARDER
DISBAND TRASH

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Danny

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still did far better than anyone from the netherlands

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are you brain damaged

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The only thing that translate is holding angles and peaking, nothing else. Overwatch players dominates valorant and that's a fact.

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gamr

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i cant even name five overwatch players that are on a good franchised team

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OW players cant aim for shit lmfaoo

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lets just stop lying

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People love to downvote facts.

Shit load of ex CS AND non CS players in NA Val.

Which ones have been top of the scene for longest......

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it really does in most cases ur absolutely braindead if you think that,literally ANY high level cs player can go pro in a higher level at valorant than they could at cs if they just give the effort and have the dedication

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half of the NA scene came to valorant when it was first released which was before they had an esports scene or competitive at all, the game was totally brand new and everybody used their skills from CS in valorant

the game has evolved so much over nearly 3 years, nowadays your cs skill doesnt translate to valorant

so you're wrong, a prime example is Stewie who was ok at csgo but is dogshit in valorant and now is dogshit in cs too

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first of all valorant is mechanically a easier game compared to cs if you are a tier 2 pro in cs and decent you can easily be a tier 1 level player in valorant if you grind and give the same effort with valo already being mechanically easier if you can adapt to the mechanics you have all the tools you need to become good,also stewie being "okay" in cs is the funniest thing ive heard he was literally one of the most washed players ever at the end of his career

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p sure t1 NA talent is already getting paid pretty decently lol wym. i'd recommend t2 na val players switching to cs if anything

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dont think there is a point switching between games anymore if you are hunting for a paycheck.
i would only switch out of enjoyment.
na csgo is pretty dried up right now

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ash_knuckles

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t2 cs is way more lucrative than t2 val tho atm
there are a decent amount of t2 tourneys with good prize pools, and the path to recognition by a t1 team has never been freer
i feel most val players, if they put as much effort into grinding out cs and they did val, could easily make it in t2 NA and possibly even ascend to t1, and the influx of new talent along with the clout some of these players possess could spark some form of revival in the scene. idk

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there is 3 t1 na teams.
the t2 orgs in csgo are not paying anywhere near the amount of what t2 valorant does.
t2 valorant has big names like Faze/TSM/g2, csgo has davenport uni

and the influx of new talent along with the clout some of these players possess could spark some form of revival in the scene

these are all hypotheticals and we will probably wont see that.
switching to csgo now (especially if you have a good platform) is almost career suicide.
theres way more interest in valorant content right now than csgo

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ash_knuckles

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ye that makes more sense tbh
i didnt consider challenger teams when i thought through this (i basically considered them t1), and was mostly focusing on teams/players that didn't make challengers
it would also make more sense for the non-challenger players to keep grinding Valorant in the hopes of getting picked up by a challenger team rather than switching and having to start over

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in fairness there this new tournament in NA called CCT which is like a big cash cup. 25k prize pool runs every few months for the t2 and below teams. Which is happening NA csgo a bit.

Another issue is its not just NA teams playing in these tournaments, Brazilian teams have moved up because the tournaments are better. You got mibr, oNe, atk (south african) playing in these NA tournaments and winning,

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t2 cs = nouns, eg black, white, atk

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Ullyr

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The reality is in cs only t1 gets pay well. Tier 2 scene is essentially non essistent in NA. Valve basically done nothing to promote or grow esports scene in cs. New talents will grind valorant if they see path to pro being lucrative.

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theres no point switching from valo to cs LOL that's a death sentence for their career
ud only switch if you like csgo over val otherwise there really isn't a reason to do so or if a T1 team in csgo wants you but i feel like if that were the case ud be doing way better on a T1 valo team

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isn't the t2 scene in cs way more lucrative tho? surely they'd have to kinda start over but i feel if they put as much effort into it as most teams were doing trying to make ascension they could easily fit into t2. maybe im wrong tho

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Ullyr

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Maybe in EU ? In NA it's pretty much dead.

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YES

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Ziro

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No.
CS NA is about salary itself
VLRT NA is about CONTENT money + salary

VLRT is way way more profitable than CS overall, but you need to be content creator as well.

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csgo players get the same amount of money if not more.
its just about what they think is better for them and which is more competitive.
and that is obviously csgo, literally impossible to see a pro in there streaming nowdays.

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ash_knuckles

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why tf did cs content fall off so hard tho?
did VLRT just poach all the NA cs cc's ?
League is a game just as old and still generates 4x as much online interaction, even in NA

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Quite literally the entire NA cs scene transfer to valorant. This essentially kill NA cs. Also Valve as a company just don't update the game as much as riot. Riot games have champions/agent with abilities so there's always new content and balance changes.

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yeah pretty much.
csgo has steered towards being this "perfect competitive" game.
this is good for esports but for content... theres only so many times you can watch people play pug matches over and over again.
and the game is old as shit so most of the content has been done already.

valorant is pretty fresh and kinda less repetitive
way more little niches for content creators to play and more frequent updates.

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ig the game just started dying. literally 3+ years ago this game had so much content is insane
bunch of fragmovies, memes, compilations, insane plays basically every match and the highest level of any other FPS game profissionally
after years passed and players stopped playing the content fell off together with the game

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the content fell off together with the game

saying csgo fell off is just copium, it still gets almost a million concurrent players everyday, it never fell off and will never fall off
the content fell off yes but not the game

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no it doenst lol
it barely gets 500k and only gets 1 million on match days, and its their peak nowdays.

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no it doenst lol
it barely gets 500k and only gets 1 million on match days, and its their peak nowdays.

you talking about twitch numbers??

because in game player base is doing really well right now

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yes but ingame isnt that crazy either
they are gaining back the players tho

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the game just had a 14% gain in the last 30 days.
average 700k plus this month
peaking over 1.1m

that is very good numbers..

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valorant's peak in match days is not even 500k

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cs content died well before valorant existed, it's because the game never changed and got updates every few months and like 1 big update a year basically whereas in league and valorant the game is changing every or every other week

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there are still some good cs utubers tbf

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t2 na cs players (NA's tier 1 has only one team in it and it's chokequid) get more salary than t2 val players.even bots like brehze and cerq are getting paid 40k a month so switching to val for the dough for them is pretty poor and immature career choice maybe because of boredom honestly i wholeheartedly agree with #14

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YaysterBestOpNA

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30k 40k 100k is nothing if u are miserable

as long as u enjoy life and can pay bills u are not wasting anything

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If they really want the cash they would become streamer.