has been the most consistent player expect 2021 berlin masters
was easily sen's 2nd best player in lcq
and when he was streaming 2 days ago he was talking and answering questions like "was he still on sen / play for sen 2023" he sounded like he would
and george also said he would stay on sen
and also seeing his tweet "backstabbed" seems like he was caught offguard
was kinda the last remaining personality from the old roster
anlaki
hopefully EG picks him up
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sad_gambit_fan [#2]george just said on stream that dapr got to know 30 MINS AGO
right before the article went out
that is super fucked to inform a player who has been with the roster for 2 years right before leaking the news to george
actually feel sad for him
this is very ironic
sad_gambit_fan [#2]george just said on stream that dapr got to know 30 MINS AGO
right before the article went out
that is super fucked to inform a player who has been with the roster for 2 years right before leaking the news to george
actually feel sad for him
wow yikes
sad_gambit_fan [#2]george just said on stream that dapr got to know 30 MINS AGO
right before the article went out
that is super fucked to inform a player who has been with the roster for 2 years right before leaking the news to george
actually feel sad for him
Damn thats sucks
charizard_123 [#6]I mean zellsis and tenz were better in lcq but yeah...
tenz wasnt
zellsis was
and either way its just sad
ihsazal [#10]If it really happened, then fuck sen. None of the core remains. I am changing my flair
dapr tweeted "stabbed in the back" and deleted and george's article goes out
actually sad because he is in twitch con meeting shahz and he gets this news
i hope you realize that the team has to complete negotiations before officially benching a player right?
Are you expecting sen to drop dapr and then find new players without confirmation that they can find new players?
Also keep in mind this whole change is basically karma for the whole sentinels roster not taking their literal jobs serious, this was going to happen eventually
sad_gambit_fan [#11]dapr tweeted "stabbed in the back" and deleted and george's article goes out
actually sad because he is in twitch con meeting shahz and he gets this news
sentinels players at twitch con so ironic
sad_gambit_fan [#8]tenz wasnt
zellsis was
and either way its just sad
TenZ seemed way better and improved compared to stage 2.
kumi [#12]i hope you realize that the team has to complete negotiations before officially benching a player right?
Are you expecting sen to drop dapr and then find new players without confirmation that they can find new players?Also keep in mind this whole change is basically karma for the whole sentinels roster not taking their literal jobs serious, this was going to happen eventually
this is the biggest free agent market in valorant history and you think they won't be able to find players?
sad_gambit_fan [#8]tenz wasnt
zellsis was
and either way its just sad
tenz was statistically their best player and kept them alive for way longer than they should've in that 100t match
sad_gambit_fan [#8]tenz wasnt
zellsis was
and either way its just sad
tenz was def their best player during lcq
jawn [#18]this is the biggest free agent market in valorant history and you think they won't be able to find players?
first, you cant just blindly put players together into the same org and hope it works just because theyre all free agents
second, im guessing sentinels still had some intentions of keeping dapr, but when a better opportunity comes, why would you keep a losing team?
kumi [#12]i hope you realize that the team has to complete negotiations before officially benching a player right?
Are you expecting sen to drop dapr and then find new players without confirmation that they can find new players?Also keep in mind this whole change is basically karma for the whole sentinels roster not taking their literal jobs serious, this was going to happen eventually
george said on stream dapr got know right before the article went out , also he tweeted "stabbed in the back" 5 mins before article went out so to my eyes it looks like he just got to know that he can either be the 6th man or leave
obv they can look for other options but shouldnt drop a player right before rostermania is gonna end or u should atleast let the player know he is getting replaced when everyone else announced they were looking for a team
and them "not taking their jobs serious" is literally such a subjective and lazy thing to say , their performance should have nothing to do with sentinels management being utter shit at communicating with their players
this isnt the first time , u have zombs , rawkus , shahz (a bit different but the player was still confused with the communication) and now dapr
zombs literally backed shahz saying he got to know he was gonna get benched a few days before they got kanpeki
clearly they got issues with communicating and it just sucks it has to be someone like dapr
has nothing to with loud players or anyone they r picking up
charizard_123 [#19]tenz was statistically their best player and kept them alive for way longer than they should've in that 100t match
sTaTiStiCalLy 🤓
kumi [#22]first, you cant just blindly put players together into the same org and hope it works just because theyre all free agents
second, im guessing sentinels still had some intentions of keeping dapr, but when a better opportunity comes, why would you keep a losing team?
how about communicating on your intent when it involves someone's literal career? every other org is able to do it, why does SEN gets a pass?
sad_gambit_fan [#11]dapr tweeted "stabbed in the back" and deleted and george's article goes out
actually sad because he is in twitch con meeting shahz and he gets this news
tenz should leave too
1phnxe [#13]dapr vapes he deserves what he got
vaping curse???? mitch was presumably vaping during his time at c9 in vct. now he gone
jawn [#25]how about communicating on your intent when it involves someone's literal career? every other org is able to do it, why does SEN gets a pass?
because intentions change? maybe they dont really know exactly what they want?
sad_gambit_fan [#2]george just said on stream that dapr got to know 30 MINS AGO
right before the article went out
that is super fucked to inform a player who has been with the roster for 2 years right before leaking the news to george
actually feel sad for him
technically if u think about it, if george wasn't leaking it then it would've been a normal drop. Dapr gets dropped and they announce new players later on
kumi [#28]because intentions change? maybe they dont really know exactly what they want?
thats what he means by saying shitty communication
intentions changing costing players potential offers
kumi [#12]i hope you realize that the team has to complete negotiations before officially benching a player right?
Are you expecting sen to drop dapr and then find new players without confirmation that they can find new players?Also keep in mind this whole change is basically karma for the whole sentinels roster not taking their literal jobs serious, this was going to happen eventually
From what everyone understood, they reassured dapr he was staying, dapr thought he was staying, these are real people with real lives and emotions, not some soulless entities. No matter how you spin it, it is scummy af for an org to do this to a player. If they told him that his place is just as much an uncertainty as anyone else on the team before the off season I'd have no issue.
Saying they didn't take their jobs seriously and therefore deserve this treatment from an outside point of view as someone who knows nothing about the amount of hours they spend prepping, scrimming, vod reviewing, bootcamping all because you see them streaming more than most teams (because they are the most popular NA team) is incredibly ignorant and plain stupid.
Any player from any team deserves better treatment than that.
kumi [#28]because intentions change? maybe they dont really know exactly what they want?
maybe communicate that? even a simple text saying " we are exploring options and will replace you only if we find a better pick "
sad_gambit_fan [#30]thats what he means by saying shitty communication
intentions changing costing players potential offers
Thats just the nature of the game though right?
you, I and George Ceddes have no proof of anything that was happening in the sentinels calls.
If they want to keep him, they tell him that. If an opportunity comes and they have to drop him, they will tell him when its confirmed.
They confirm a deal and now they let him search for offers, thats just how it works.
chemicqls [#29]technically if u think about it, if george wasn't leaking it then it would've been a normal drop. Dapr gets dropped and they announce new players later on
and??????? wtff??? dapr wont have the chance to get onto a team if they announce this late and also they were SURE of dapr staying, even in stream he kept saying he wont leave sen, he was supposed to be the player who was staying and sen told dapr he was staying too and then u drop him?? this is such a huge L from their part, nobody believed shaz because "RaTZaM KekW lOl LmAo"
jawn [#32]maybe communicate that? even a simple text saying " we are exploring options and will replace you only if we find a better pick "
whataboutism
chemicqls [#29]technically if u think about it, if george wasn't leaking it then it would've been a normal drop. Dapr gets dropped and they announce new players later on
yea but dapr would have time to process what sen said
like george knew that this has been going on for days but dapr only gets to know a few minutes before the article goes out???? (he tweeted "stabebd in the back" clearly indicating about him being benched)
shouldnt dapr get to know when they start looking to replace him?
isnt that how every other team releases their players as restricted f/a and they tweet that they r LFT as restricted/unrestricted f/as?
why does he get to know so late
and all this is without talking about other teams
if dapr got to know that he was going to be benched
he would have probably got another team offer
but now when 4/5 na teams are finalized it just feels really weird from sen
charizard_123 [#6]I mean zellsis and tenz were better in lcq but yeah...
its not about being better, dapr was more consistent while playing the sentinel role for the entire year even when they were doing bad and sen told him he was safe probably because he said on stream that he wont leave sen and then 2 days pass and they drop him and tell him 30mins before it gets leaked which gives him barely4 or 5 days to find a team
5headtakes [#31]From what everyone understood, they reassured dapr he was staying, dapr thought he was staying, these are real people with real lives and emotions, not some soulless entities. No matter how you spin it, it is scummy af for an org to do this to a player. If they told him that his place is just as much an uncertainty as anyone else on the team before the off season I'd have no issue.
Saying they didn't take their jobs seriously and therefore deserve this treatment from an outside point of view as someone who knows nothing about the amount of hours they spend prepping, scrimming, vod reviewing, bootcamping all because you see them streaming more than most teams (because they are the most popular NA team) is incredibly ignorant and plain stupid.
Any player from any team deserves better treatment than that.
"keep in mind this whole change is basically karma" where did I say this "treatment" is because of how much effort they put in?
You are making your argument of "what everyone understood" based on what the sentinels players said
I am also making the low effort argument based on what the sentinels players themselves said and acted.
All im saying is that if this roster put the effort that they clearly didnt care about, they wouldnt have this problem in the first place
noxx [#34]and??????? wtff??? dapr wont have the chance to get onto a team if they announce this late and also they were SURE of dapr staying, even in stream he kept saying he wont leave sen, he was supposed to be the player who was staying and sen told dapr he was staying too and then u drop him?? this is such a huge L from their part, nobody believed shaz because "RaTZaM KekW lOl LmAo"
SEN management told him that but not with Sykko and Kaplan. Both of them are in charge to put a player whoever the fuck they want and i think Sentinels executives handed them full authorization.
kumi [#33]Thats just the nature of the game though right?
you, I and George Ceddes have no proof of anything that was happening in the sentinels calls.
If they want to keep him, they tell him that. If an opportunity comes and they have to drop him, they will tell him when its confirmed.
They confirm a deal and now they let him search for offers, thats just how it works.
dapr literally tweeted "stabbed in the back" he is clearly talking about the him being benched and 5 mins later george's article goes out
if u look at any other team that were making changes
they did it 1-2 weeks ago
imo thats when dapr should have known that he is going to be benched
not when 4/5 na teams are finalized
this is the 4th time they have had some sort of miscommunication with benching/dropping players problem
if every other team who are making changes can allow their old players to look for other teams as restricted f/a and unrestricted f/a why cant sen do the same and not fuck dapr's offers up?
it just feels like shitty communication from the org's side
and before u say intentions change , if george and othere brazilian reports knew this was going on in the background for the past week why didnt dapr? if he got to know then who knows maybe he lands a spot on nrg or eg
kumi [#12]i hope you realize that the team has to complete negotiations before officially benching a player right?
Are you expecting sen to drop dapr and then find new players without confirmation that they can find new players?Also keep in mind this whole change is basically karma for the whole sentinels roster not taking their literal jobs serious, this was going to happen eventually
Also keep in mind this whole change is basically karma for the whole sentinels roster not taking their literal jobs serious, this was going to happen eventually.
KARMA, Not taking their jobs SerIoUsLy? This has to be some of the biggest bs yet lmfao shut up when u have no clue about what effort pro players put in to the game to get better and to win.
sad_gambit_fan [#42]dapr literally tweeted "stabbed in the back" he is clearly talking about the him being benched and 5 mins later george's article goes out
if u look at any other team that were making changes
they did it 1-2 weeks ago
imo thats when dapr should have known that he is going to be benched
not when 4/5 na teams are finalized
this is the 4th time they have had some sort of miscommunication with benching/dropping players problemif every other team who are making changes can allow their old players to look for other teams as restricted f/a and unrestricted f/a why cant sen do the same and not fuck dapr's offers up?
it just feels like shitty communication from the org's sideand before u say intentions change , if george and othere brazilian reports knew this was going on in the background for the past week why didnt dapr? if he got to know then who knows maybe he lands a spot on nrg or eg
Ok, since you can make these assumptions, I would like you to tell me when sentinels got into contact with louds players, how long negotiations took, and how long for a contract to be made.
You cant make any assumptions about the sentinels intentions and change of intentions without proof by themselves.
The timing is poor, but its completely fine given the timeline of what we know.
jawn [#37]literally what you did but ok
you have no idea about whats happening behind the scenes, all we know is that the timing was not in daprs favor, but is perfectly fine given everything we know.
kumi [#44]Ok, since you can make these assumptions, I would like you to tell me when sentinels got into contact with louds players, how long negotiations took, and how long for a contract to be made.
You cant make any assumptions about the sentinels intentions and change of intentions without proof by themselves.
The timing is poor, but its completely fine given the timeline of what we know.
go check george's stream today
he literally said this has been going on in the background for a bit and him and the other brazilian reports were working on it
and dont be weird by asking for solid proof when everyone knows george is right about this
its clearly shitty communication from the org to the player
just stop defending this shit
imma stop replying to u now
good night
BaboonBoy [#43]Also keep in mind this whole change is basically karma for the whole sentinels roster not taking their literal jobs serious, this was going to happen eventually.
KARMA, Not taking their jobs SerIoUsLy? This has to be some of the biggest bs yet lmfao shut up when u have no clue about what effort pro players put in to the game to get better and to win.
did you just get into the valorant scene? It is common knowledge that for the last year and a half sentinels have been half assing practice, avoiding scrims, sleeping past scrim time, rejecting bootcamping, where have you been since iceland?
We do know about what effort pro player put into the game, but unfortunately we also know about how little effort other put in.
But you're right, it does show when teams win, or in sentinels case, lose
sad_gambit_fan [#46]go check george's stream today
he literally said this has been going on in the background for a bit and him and the other brazilian reports were working on it
and dont be weird by asking for solid proof when everyone knows george is right about this
its clearly shitty communication from the org to the player
just stop defending this shit
imma stop replying to u now
good night
george and other reporters know nothing about what the sentinels have been planning. Please stop referring to these people.
I do think it is poor communication, if I ran an org i would do it differently, but it is nobodys fault that sentinels as an org do not want to have an unconfirmed roster.
kumi [#45]you have no idea about whats happening behind the scenes, all we know is that the timing was not in daprs favor, but is perfectly fine given everything we know.
we also know that this is a repeating thing for all the other players from the old roster, all successful players with long tenures not being given respect nor proper communication before getting dropped
sad_gambit_fan [#2]george just said on stream that dapr got to know 30 MINS AGO
right before the article went out
that is super fucked to inform a player who has been with the roster for 2 years right before leaking the news to george
actually feel sad for him
wait u think SEN leaked to George? u are so dumb lmao
jawn [#49]we also know that this is a repeating thing for all the other players from the old roster, all successful players with long tenures not being given respect nor proper communication before getting dropped
Yeah that matters
kumi [#24]sTaTiStiCalLy 🤓
Better than subjective tbh
Opinions dont even matter at the least
Facts are 👍
no1haterbutloveyou2 [#53]Better than subjective tbh
Opinions dont even matter at the least
Facts are 👍
you know we have vods right?
we have the ability to not rely on only statistics man
ShiroNekoX [#41]SEN management told him that but not with Sykko and Kaplan. Both of them are in charge to put a player whoever the fuck they want and i think Sentinels executives handed them full authorization.
then why did sen management tell him he is staying?? if sykko and kaplan had all the authority then why did sen management tell dapr he is staying? the communciation inbetween themselves are so clunky and unclear
kumi [#47]did you just get into the valorant scene? It is common knowledge that for the last year and a half sentinels have been half assing practice, avoiding scrims, sleeping past scrim time, rejecting bootcamping, where have you been since iceland?
We do know about what effort pro player put into the game, but unfortunately we also know about how little effort other put in.
But you're right, it does show when teams win, or in sentinels case, lose
All the players might not even be half assing practice, how tf are you even supposed to practice if all 5 players aren't willing to practice
Plus Dapr can literally play every agent he definitely was not the one holding SEN back
Zorontom [#59]All the players might not even be half assing practice, how tf are you even supposed to practice if all 5 players aren't willing to practice
Plus Dapr can literally play every agent he definitely was not the one holding SEN back
if you watched his stream back in the day, you would also know that he was the one pushing the full anti-bootcamp narrative, complained about scrims, and said they dont "need to scrim."
I agree that he is a super skilled player, but after the little iceland success, there was no more gas.
vispri [#27]vaping curse???? mitch was presumably vaping during his time at c9 in vct. now he gone
shanks gone as well he’s streaming but not good enough for pro play
the saddest part is theres a chance dapr gets stuck as a 6th man and cant really compete in franchising. He was the 2nd best player on SEN throughout every iteration of that roster and just never got the credit he deserved for his gameplay. Hoping EG wakes up and realizes hes out there but otherwise itll be big Sadge for him
AllMight [#62]All that trash talking and ego moves finally making him humble. You love to see it
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