Why are there so many orgs in EMEA Franchising that didn't make VCT Challengers 2022?
Giants: No Namers
Heretics: No Namers
KOI: No Namers
Vitality: No Namers (they played in vrl i guess)
FUT: No Namers (they won in vrl i guess)
wasted fucking spots (maybe fut and vitality werent)
3 spanish teams, 2 french ones, 2 turkish ones but 1 cis team, 0 eastern europe teams and 0 german teams (FNC and TL are just multinational EU, NaVi are full CIS)
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babysasuke [#2]its about the orgs not the players
partnership teams are the teams that Riot wants to work with to build the esport, theyre getting money from Riot, and will build new rosters for the partnership league
previous results arent a huge factor (ie Optic/FaZe)
I took that into consideration and it still made 0 fucking sense
KCORP maybe cause they have a massive fanbase in france, but FUT and fucking GIANTS? it makes 0 sense, turkish teams already have BBL for representation (they could've given acend a spot for that cNed farming anyway), spain has wayy too many spots already even without giants
1 fucking CIS team man
0 VRL Northern/DACH team even though they got a lot of fans up here
rito is not prioritizing quality or even viewership, wtf are they prioritizing?
titanwithpp [#2]Another smooth brain VLR user that doesn't understand how Valorant partnership works.
apologize rn
Sh1rpie [#3]I took that into consideration and it still made 0 fucking sense
KCORP maybe cause they have a massive fanbase in france, but FUT and fucking GIANTS? it makes 0 sense, turkish teams already have BBL for representation (they could've given acend a spot for that cNed farming anyway), spain has wayy too many spots already even without giants
1 fucking CIS team man
0 VRL Northern/DACH team even though they got a lot of fans up here
rito is not prioritizing quality or even viewership, wtf are they prioritizing?
no politics but CIS should be lucky they got 1
and idk about the other teams but their proposals must have been solid, idk
Sh1rpie [#3]I took that into consideration and it still made 0 fucking sense
KCORP maybe cause they have a massive fanbase in france, but FUT and fucking GIANTS? it makes 0 sense, turkish teams already have BBL for representation (they could've given acend a spot for that cNed farming anyway), spain has wayy too many spots already even without giants
1 fucking CIS team man
0 VRL Northern/DACH team even though they got a lot of fans up here
rito is not prioritizing quality or even viewership, wtf are they prioritizing?
dude tundra pulled out of Northern League val becuz the viewership was low as fuck, there are not many fans up north
babysasuke [#5]apologize rn
We've had so many threads about it, even mods explained this yet this came up.
wkeyspectre [#5]dude tundra pulled out of Northern League val becuz the viewership was low as fuck, there are not many fans up north
ok maybe i was reaching a bit far with Polaris but VRL DACH brought in 10x the viewers that giants do
titanwithpp [#6]We've had so many threads about it, even mods explained this yet this came up.
still not nice!
titanwithpp [#2]Another smooth brain VLR user that doesn't understand how Valorant partnership works.
my brain may be small but i know that partnership is just viewership + clout + org money
giants: 0 viewership
FUT: 5 fans
KOI & Heretics combined fan count: 3
Vitality i was coping with, they have fans + massive clout
anyway
no dach teams even though their vrl viewership stats werent even that bad
and no eastern europe teams even though vrl east was doing alright as well (tho ig the orgs there are pretty poor)
Sh1rpie [#9]my brain may be small but i know that partnership is just viewership + clout + org money
giants: 0 viewership
FUT: 5 fans
KOI & Heretics combined fan count: 3
Vitality i was coping with, they have fans + massive clout
anyway
no dach teams even though their vrl viewership stats werent even that bad
and no eastern europe teams even though vrl east was doing alright as well (tho ig the orgs there are pretty poor)
I think fans outside of Valorant counts too
If the orgs actually had no fans, they wouldnt have any income, and wouldnt have gotten the invites
Sh1rpie [#9]my brain may be small but i know that partnership is just viewership + clout + org money
giants: 0 viewership
FUT: 5 fans
KOI & Heretics combined fan count: 3
Vitality i was coping with, they have fans + massive clout
anyway
no dach teams even though their vrl viewership stats werent even that bad
and no eastern europe teams even though vrl east was doing alright as well (tho ig the orgs there are pretty poor)
BBL and FUT carry TR viewership
Giants isn't a viewership heavy org but its a stable org financially
KOI and Heretics have spanish fans
babysasuke [#14]I think fans outside of Valorant counts too
If the orgs actually had no fans, they wouldnt have any income, and wouldnt have gotten the invites
then wtf man, FPX should've gotten in purely based off their stats in LoL and we should've seen a Team Spirit/Gambit in there as well
Then again politics, they wouldn't allow any org that fields/has fielded russian rosters unless its NaVi cause they're with ukraine 100%
Sh1rpie [#9]my brain may be small but i know that partnership is just viewership + clout + org money
giants: 0 viewership
FUT: 5 fans
KOI & Heretics combined fan count: 3
Vitality i was coping with, they have fans + massive clout
anyway
no dach teams even though their vrl viewership stats werent even that bad
and no eastern europe teams even though vrl east was doing alright as well (tho ig the orgs there are pretty poor)
Koi has the 2nd biggest fan base in europe with ibai being their owner , the guy that pulled like 3 mil people on stream
Sh1rpie [#9]my brain may be small but i know that partnership is just viewership + clout + org money
giants: 0 viewership
FUT: 5 fans
KOI & Heretics combined fan count: 3
Vitality i was coping with, they have fans + massive clout
anyway
no dach teams even though their vrl viewership stats werent even that bad
and no eastern europe teams even though vrl east was doing alright as well (tho ig the orgs there are pretty poor)
You're clueless on that one dude
titanwithpp [#10]BBL and FUT carry TR viewership
Giants isn't a viewership heavy org but its a stable org financially
KOI and Heretics have spanish fans
yeah but is 2 really needed for turkey
still no german orgs
koi & giants could probably carry spanish viewership solo like gambit solo carried russia viewership or how sen carried LCQ viewership
still like, i feel like they could've sneaked in more VRL regions in the partnerships without compromising any popular region in any major way
Sh1rpie [#9]my brain may be small but i know that partnership is just viewership + clout + org money
giants: 0 viewership
FUT: 5 fans
KOI & Heretics combined fan count: 3
Vitality i was coping with, they have fans + massive clout
anyway
no dach teams even though their vrl viewership stats werent even that bad
and no eastern europe teams even though vrl east was doing alright as well (tho ig the orgs there are pretty poor)
giants- big money, they had a good team back in 2021 until G2 decided to nuke it.
FUT- big turkish fanbase
KOI- Ibai
Heretics- Hugee spanish fanbase
Zorontom [#4]Giants were very famous for strats when they had Davidp and also Vodaphone is a very famous company
Not sponsored by Vodafone anymore
Sh1rpie [#11]then wtf man, FPX should've gotten in purely based off their stats in LoL and we should've seen a Team Spirit/Gambit in there as well
Then again politics, they wouldn't allow any org that fields/has fielded russian rosters unless its NaVi cause they're with ukraine 100%
Again, no politics but you can't be surprised at the lack of CIS representation
and FPX is a Chinese org
Sh1rpie [#14]yeah but is 2 really needed for turkey
still no german orgs
koi & giants could probably carry spanish viewership solo like gambit solo carried russia viewership or how sen carried LCQ viewership
still like, i feel like they could've sneaked in more VRL regions in the partnerships without compromising any popular region in any major way
True, I believe an org like BIG could have gotten in, but then again I dont think BIG is that big of an org.
Sh1rpie [#14]yeah but is 2 really needed for turkey
still no german orgs
koi & giants could probably carry spanish viewership solo like gambit solo carried russia viewership or how sen carried LCQ viewership
still like, i feel like they could've sneaked in more VRL regions in the partnerships without compromising any popular region in any major way
Sure there are orgs that could have made it like BIG for germany, CR for JP but there are reasons why they were denied
CR for example messed up their paperwork
BoF7ooM [#15]giants- big money, they had a good team back in 2021 until G2 decided to nuke it.
FUT- big turkish fanbase
KOI- Ibai
Heretics- Hugee spanish fanbase
ok so is there like a civil war in turkey about who watching bbl vs FUT or something
why include both if fut has all the viewers (ive not seen ONE bbl game pull more than like, 20k viewers max)
Mortadelo [#19]Wdym by "many" bog orgs haven't made it. Tell me a name and I'll try to explain
What about some like Team Spirit or something? Big CS organizers like BLAST & EPL had no problem with letting CIS teams play?
It's between how much money orgs are willing to invest + how good is the project proposal in terms of business.
People has to consider that some orgs don't have the economic solvency for franchising. Also not that much people notices that some orgs simply don't like the franchising system or aren't interested in Valorant.
Sh1rpie [#21]What about some like Team Spirit or something? Big CS organizers like BLAST & EPL had no problem with letting CIS teams play?
cis viewership is low + the community backlash if they let a russian organization in
Sh1rpie [#20]ok so is there like a civil war in turkey about who watching bbl vs FUT or something
why include both if fut has all the viewers (ive not seen ONE bbl game pull more than like, 20k viewers max)
I agree, two Turkish teams might have been excessive, maybe a Dach org instead would have been better the problem is that Riot didn't like the top Dach orgs, they had some not very good stuff internally apparently, so yeah
elayaCL [#22]It's between how much money orgs are willing to invest + how good is the project proposal in terms of business.
People has to consider that some orgs don't have the economic solvency for franchising. Also not that much people notices that some orgs simply don't like the franchising system or aren't interested in Valorant.
ah, fair
tbf secret never fielded a val roster so that was probably a bad example. G2? Again, massive viewership, clout and money. and again, responsible TO's haven't had any problems with letting G2 play despite the carlos stuff (which ig doesnt matter anymore, but it did matter at the time)
or maybe HEROIC? Astralis? Many ppl had them pegged to get in. big clout in other games, could ez pull in tens of k's of viewership, and afaik big pockets
Sh1rpie [#21]What about some like Team Spirit or something? Big CS organizers like BLAST & EPL had no problem with letting CIS teams play?
Okay so, we don't really know to what extent Team Spirit applied for franchising in Valorant, but the CIS Valorant community still has to grow a lot and the whole scene is just too shaky rn because of the war, if the war didn't happen I'm sure they would have had 2 spots
Mortadelo [#26]Okay so, we don't really know to what extent Team Spirit applied for franchising in Valorant, but the CIS Valorant community still has to grow a lot and the whole scene is just too shaky rn because of the war, if the war didn't happen I'm sure they would have had 2 spots
gg, man the war fucked everything (gambit's era, ACEND's era, FPX chances in m1, boombl4's career, even the franchise league)
Sh1rpie [#25]ah, fair
tbf secret never fielded a val roster so that was probably a bad example. G2? Again, massive viewership, clout and money. and again, responsible TO's haven't had any problems with letting G2 play despite the carlos stuff (which ig doesnt matter anymore, but it did matter at the time)
or maybe HEROIC? Astralis? Many ppl had them pegged to get in. big clout in other games, could ez pull in tens of k's of viewership, and afaik big pockets
G2 was punished for what Carlos did, they had a last minute meeting to kick them out, it was just a bad timing, but they already had their spot in NA locked and the start of a deal with XSet's roster
Astralis is not a solid org economically and they have done horrible in LOL (basically signing tier 2 teams knowing they were gonna place last but not caring about it cause they just wanted the money Riot is giving them) So yeah no chance with them
Heroic has mainly Danish fanbase and the nordic countries and CIS are still very CS regions that haven't been able to grow in Valorant. Copenaghen masters was literally half empty
Mortadelo [#28]G2 was punished for what Carlos did, they had a last minute meeting to kick them out, it was just a bad timing, but they already had their spot in NA locked and the start of a deal with XSet's roster
Astralis is not a solid org economically and they have done horrible in LOL (basically signing tier 2 teams knowing they were gonna place last but not caring about it cause they just wanted the money Riot is giving them) So yeah no chance with them
Heroic has mainly Danish fanbase and the nordic countries and CIS are still very CS regions that haven't been able to grow in Valorant. Copenaghen masters was literally half empty
FPX? Did they not get in because of the half russian roster or because of low clout? afaik they're pretty big in LoL
Sh1rpie [#27]gg, man the war fucked everything (gambit's era, ACEND's era, FPX chances in m1, boombl4's career, even the franchise league)
This is not definitive don't worry, this is not actual franchising, in 4 years RIOT gets to choose who gets in all over again, it's not definitive. Hopefully everything is good by then
Sh1rpie [#29]FPX? Did they not get in because of the half russian roster or because of low clout? afaik they're pretty big in LoL
Russian roster had nothing to do with it imo, feel like it was more the Clout, they do have a huge fanbase but it's Chinese, going back t their region is what's best for Riot interest Ig
Mortadelo [#31]Russian roster had nothing to do with it imo, feel like it was more the Clout, they do have a huge fanbase but it's Chinese, going back t their region is what's best for Riot interest Ig
I mean they could've dropped their eu roster and applied into apac then? I feel like the EDG roster under FPX banner would be nice but then again chinese val isnt big cause it isnt even out in the mainland yet
Mortadelo [#30]This is not definitive don't worry, this is not actual franchising, in 4 years RIOT gets to choose who gets in all over again, it's not definitive. Hopefully everything is good by then
ok if no more russia wars start in 4 years we will get gambit and zeek back in valorant
finally something possible
Sh1rpie [#33]I mean they could've dropped their eu roster and applied into apac then? I feel like the EDG roster under FPX banner would be nice but then again chinese val isnt big cause it isnt even out in the mainland yet
They could have, maybe they did and Riot just didn't wanna have Chinese teams yet who knows. They'll have to wait
Mortadelo [#35]They could have, maybe they did and Riot just didn't wanna have Chinese teams yet who knows. They'll have to wait
i wonder if EDG and the like, like FPX zhuque, KONE & weibo will be in ascension, im excited to see chinese valorant back on the map ngl
Sh1rpie [#34]ok if no more russia wars start in 4 years we will get gambit and zeek back in valorant
finally something possible
Well, idk what the situation is with GMB rn, idk if they will be able to recover and be an org anymore, but if they do and they get to move their Cs fanbase to Valorant Riot would definitely consider them ofc
About zeek, pretty sure he will be in franchising this year I don't see why he wouldn't get picked up
Sh1rpie [#36]i wonder if EDG and the like, like FPX zhuque, KONE & weibo will be in ascension, im excited to see chinese valorant back on the map ngl
Kinda lost about the whole Chinese situation, idk what's gonna happen, hope the game gets released soon tho
Mortadelo [#37]Well, idk what the situation is with GMB rn, idk if they will be able to recover and be an org anymore, but if they do and they get to move their Cs fanbase to Valorant Riot would definitely consider them ofc
About zeek, pretty sure he will be in franchising this year I don't see why he wouldn't get picked up
Zeek (maybe other than t0nz and d3ff0) had possibly the worst falloff in valorant history after champs, he's a risky investment for suree
Sh1rpie [#32]ok nvm koi merged with rogue, no way they werent gonna get in
KOI owner holds current Twitch world record with 3.1 million viewers
Sh1rpie [#39]Zeek (maybe other than t0nz and d3ff0) had possibly the worst falloff in valorant history after champs, he's a risky investment for suree
He went through some rough stuff mentally but he says to be better now so hopefully he gets back
Mortadelo [#38]Kinda lost about the whole Chinese situation, idk what's gonna happen, hope the game gets released soon tho
with how well LoL does in china, riot being owned by Tencent (chinese lap dog company) and connections i think that they're getting the voice chat system tweaked to the CCP's liking and setting up server infrastructure, no way riot and china havent been in talks to open val in china already
SilentNight [#43]KOI's owner is literally Ibai which can set huge crowd at stages, i'm still mad about a German org not getting a apot though
I had no idea about who ibai was until now, but dang is the guy famous as shit
also yeah, orgs like big fokus and angry titans deserved a spot, at least 1 of them did
Sh1rpie [#44]I had no idea about who ibai was until now, but dang is the guy famous as shit
also yeah, orgs like big fokus and angry titans deserved a spot, at least 1 of them did
Same ibai who?( Until franchise teams are announced)
Sh1rpie [#44]I had no idea about who ibai was until now, but dang is the guy famous as shit
also yeah, orgs like big fokus and angry titans deserved a spot, at least 1 of them did
Yes, I agree BIG should have been in, instead of either Giants or Futbolist who are the smaller orgs even tho they are huge. Imo should have been Fut, Ik I'm biased but at the end of the day giants is an Spanish org yeah but European roster, so kinda neutral, meanwhile fut is just 5 more Turkish players
Sh1rpie [#46]ibai is popular among spaniards apparently
KOI is also owned by like pique or something damn how did i not know about them before this oh right their social media department is dogshit and they're spanish only L
The merge with Rogue was announced yesterday, they are launching their English media very soon to support the Rogue fans part
Mortadelo [#47]Yes, I agree BIG should have been in, instead of either Giants or Futbolist who are the smaller orgs even tho they are huge. Imo should have been Fut, Ik I'm biased but at the end of the day giants is an Spanish org yeah but European roster, so kinda neutral, meanwhile fut is just 5 more Turkish players
Turkish viewership has always been cNed & FUT anyway, BBL should've gotten excluded if anything
but ye 2 turkey and 0 germany is fucked, divide turkey viewership + spit on dach viewership, weird decisionmaking by riot on that one
Mortadelo [#48]The merge with Rogue was announced yesterday, they are launching their English media very soon to support the Rogue fans part
Rogue is an english speaking org + they have a romanian player on their LoL team
I can only see this as an absolute win
Sh1rpie [#49]Turkish viewership has always been cNed & FUT anyway, BBL should've gotten excluded if anything
but ye 2 turkey and 0 germany is fucked, divide turkey viewership + spit on dach viewership, weird decisionmaking by riot on that one
BBL is bigger than Futbolist. Similar case to KOI, Heretics and KCORP, all owned by huge influencers. BBL has wtcN who is huge and always pulls +100k watchparties unlike Fut
Sh1rpie [#50]Rogue is an english speaking org + they have a romanian player on their LoL team
I can only see this as an absolute win
Yup, Rogue is NA org. KOI will have English media very soon, and wait to see Rogue games numbers in Worlds this numbers, specially if they do decent and even without being called KOI yet
Mortadelo [#47]Yes, I agree BIG should have been in, instead of either Giants or Futbolist who are the smaller orgs even tho they are huge. Imo should have been Fut, Ik I'm biased but at the end of the day giants is an Spanish org yeah but European roster, so kinda neutral, meanwhile fut is just 5 more Turkish players
Giants was one of the first orgs to fully invest in valorant, they have a solid fanbase and they are involved in the spanish speaking scene so it makes sense Riot decided to reward their project. They are not the most clouted nor they have an inmense fanbase like other orgs but they are the exact type of org that Riot can count to do the right things for developing the esport.
Mkin11 [#53]Giants was one of the first orgs to fully invest in valorant, they have a solid fanbase and they are involved in the spanish speaking scene so it makes sense Riot decided to reward their project. They are not the most clouted nor they have an inmense fanbase like other orgs but they are the exact type of org that Riot can count to do the right things for developing the esport.
Yeah I totally think they deserve it, just saying if you had to take someone out it would be them or Fut
Sh1rpie [#3]I took that into consideration and it still made 0 fucking sense
KCORP maybe cause they have a massive fanbase in france, but FUT and fucking GIANTS? it makes 0 sense, turkish teams already have BBL for representation (they could've given acend a spot for that cNed farming anyway), spain has wayy too many spots already even without giants
1 fucking CIS team man
0 VRL Northern/DACH team even though they got a lot of fans up here
rito is not prioritizing quality or even viewership, wtf are they prioritizing?
From what i can understand, Giants has a deep relationship with Riot because of LoL, they actually were really strong contenders to making in into the european franchises back then... Riot really took this into consideration for picking them up
Mortadelo [#54]Yeah I totally think they deserve it, just saying if you had to take someone out it would be them or Fut
yeah, the lesser popular turkish team goes back to ascension so that bbl can pull all the turkish viewers without wasting a slot (which i think they can do) and they put big in
turkish val has already had a lot of development with stars like qw1 and cNed in the scene unlike german valorant, german val only has teams qualifying to challengers and frankfurt servers for representation (+ why would you not add german orgs if ur gonna host emea league in berlin anyway?!?!)
Sh1rpie [#56]yeah, the lesser popular turkish team goes back to ascension so that bbl can pull all the turkish viewers without wasting a slot (which i think they can do) and they put big in
turkish val has already had a lot of development with stars like qw1 and cNed in the scene unlike german valorant, german val only has teams qualifying to challengers and frankfurt servers for representation (+ why would you not add german orgs if ur gonna host emea league in berlin anyway?!?!)
Agreed
Mortadelo [#57]Agreed
my only gripe with the actual leagues in and of itself is that they haven't revealed the prizepool, the format and that they didnt choose to host emea league in bucharest :copium:
hekzy [#59]because EMEA is dead :(
i believe in emea valorant
call over regali and lauNX from csgo and add 3 good players and u have good team copium
Sh1rpie [#60]i believe in emea valorant
call over regali and lauNX from csgo and add 3 good players and u have good team copium
xd
Sh1rpie [#20]ok so is there like a civil war in turkey about who watching bbl vs FUT or something
why include both if fut has all the viewers (ive not seen ONE bbl game pull more than like, 20k viewers max)
That's just not true lol.
If BBL plays, the Owner is most likely doing a watchparty and he gets 70-100k+ viewers
61Hiko [#62]That's just not true lol.
If BBL plays, the Owner is most likely doing a watchparty and he gets 70-100k+ viewers
ok but point still stands
2 TR teams while 0 german teams is wasteful af considering that emea league is being hosted in berlin next year
61Hiko [#62]That's just not true lol.
If BBL plays, the Owner is most likely doing a watchparty and he gets 70-100k+ viewers
ok but point still stands
2 TR teams while 0 german teams is wasteful af considering that emea league is being hosted in berlin next year
Sh1rpie [#63]ok but point still stands
2 TR teams while 0 german teams is wasteful af considering that emea league is being hosted in berlin next year
BBL was 100% in, FUT did a lot of stuff like open watch parties, collabs more and more. I never hear anything about BIG (prob the only DACH org in consideration for franchise league)
And FUT pulls up numbers too.
I would have liked to see a DACH team too, but instead of one of the three spanish orgs
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