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Patch 5.04
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Maps/Stats
All Maps
1 Breeze
2 Bind
3 Fracture
All Kills
First Kills
Op Kills
Famouz
BME
blaZek1ng
BME
BerserX
BME
fl1pzjder
BME
xffero
BME
crashies
OPTC
11
6
+5
12
8
+4
13
4
+9
11
9
+2
16
13
+3
FiNESSE
OPTC
7
8
-1
6
12
-6
8
4
+4
4
8
-4
6
11
-5
yay
OPTC
9
4
+5
17
8
+9
12
7
+5
15
6
+9
15
10
+5
Victor
OPTC
11
15
-4
8
7
+1
13
6
+7
11
7
+4
8
12
-4
Marved
OPTC
13
6
+7
6
10
-4
8
12
-4
12
6
+6
5
12
-7
Famouz
BME
blaZek1ng
BME
BerserX
BME
fl1pzjder
BME
xffero
BME
crashies
OPTC
0
1
-1
2
0
+2
2
2
+0
FiNESSE
OPTC
1
0
+1
0
1
-1
1
0
+1
0
2
-2
yay
OPTC
2
2
+0
3
0
+3
3
1
+2
5
0
+5
3
2
+1
Victor
OPTC
4
2
+2
1
3
-2
5
1
+4
1
2
-1
2
3
-1
Marved
OPTC
1
0
+1
1
1
+0
4
2
+2
0
2
-2
Famouz
BME
blaZek1ng
BME
BerserX
BME
fl1pzjder
BME
xffero
BME
crashies
OPTC
0
2
-2
2
0
+2
FiNESSE
OPTC
yay
OPTC
5
1
+4
5
0
+5
5
0
+5
7
0
+7
4
0
+4
Victor
OPTC
1
3
-2
1
0
+1
2
0
+2
2
0
+2
Marved
OPTC
2K 3K 4K 5K 1v1 1v2 1v3 1v4 1v5 ECON PL DE
crashies
OPTC
8
4
1
1
1
68
7
3
Victor
OPTC
14
2
1
56
1
2
Marved
OPTC
7
3
1
47
3
2
FiNESSE
OPTC
6
2
43
4
1
yay
OPTC
9
8
1
1
83
2
5
blaZek1ng
BME
8
2
48
1
0
Famouz
BME
6
2
40
3
1
xffero
BME
15
2
1
52
14
0
BerserX
BME
4
35
1
2
fl1pzjder
BME
4
2
3
38
6
2
Famouz
BME
blaZek1ng
BME
BerserX
BME
fl1pzjder
BME
xffero
BME
crashies
OPTC
4
3
+1
5
3
+2
5
4
+1
7
3
+4
7
8
-1
FiNESSE
OPTC
2
5
-3
1
6
-5
3
1
+2
1
4
-3
2
8
-6
yay
OPTC
3
2
+1
9
4
+5
6
5
+1
4
5
-1
7
6
+1
Victor
OPTC
6
8
-2
5
1
+4
7
2
+5
5
4
+1
5
10
-5
Marved
OPTC
7
2
+5
2
4
-2
5
7
-2
5
4
+1
1
6
-5
Famouz
BME
blaZek1ng
BME
BerserX
BME
fl1pzjder
BME
xffero
BME
crashies
OPTC
1
1
+0
FiNESSE
OPTC
0
1
-1
0
2
-2
yay
OPTC
0
1
-1
2
0
+2
2
0
+2
2
0
+2
2
1
+1
Victor
OPTC
1
1
+0
1
1
+0
2
0
+2
0
2
-2
2
3
-1
Marved
OPTC
1
0
+1
1
0
+1
2
1
+1
0
1
-1
Famouz
BME
blaZek1ng
BME
BerserX
BME
fl1pzjder
BME
xffero
BME
crashies
OPTC
0
1
-1
2
0
+2
FiNESSE
OPTC
yay
OPTC
2
1
+1
1
0
+1
2
0
+2
2
0
+2
2
0
+2
Victor
OPTC
0
3
-3
1
0
+1
2
0
+2
1
0
+1
Marved
OPTC
2K 3K 4K 5K 1v1 1v2 1v3 1v4 1v5 ECON PL DE
crashies
OPTC
3
Round 16
xffero
blaZek1ng
Round 23
BerserX
xffero
Round 27
Famouz
blaZek1ng
1
Round 24
BerserX
blaZek1ng
fl1pzjder
1
Round 29
xffero
BerserX
fl1pzjder
Famouz
45
6
1
Victor
OPTC
9
Round 6
Famouz
blaZek1ng
Round 7
Famouz
BerserX
Round 13
BerserX
Famouz
Round 14
Famouz
xffero
Round 17
Famouz
xffero
Round 18
xffero
Famouz
Round 26
BerserX
blaZek1ng
Round 32
fl1pzjder
xffero
Round 34
fl1pzjder
BerserX
1
Round 11
blaZek1ng
fl1pzjder
BerserX
48
0
2
Marved
OPTC
3
Round 1
fl1pzjder
BerserX
Round 18
BerserX
blaZek1ng
Round 26
xffero
fl1pzjder
1
Round 2
Famouz
BerserX
blaZek1ng
36
3
1
FiNESSE
OPTC
2
Round 1
blaZek1ng
Famouz
Round 14
BerserX
fl1pzjder
22
0
0
yay
OPTC
3
Round 13
xffero
fl1pzjder
Round 15
BerserX
blaZek1ng
Round 20
fl1pzjder
xffero
3
Round 12
blaZek1ng
BerserX
xffero
Round 21
BerserX
Famouz
blaZek1ng
Round 28
BerserX
Famouz
blaZek1ng
41
1
2
blaZek1ng
BME
2
Round 6
Marved
crashies
Round 23
FiNESSE
crashies
1
Round 5
yay
Marved
FiNESSE
37
0
0
Famouz
BME
1
Round 30
FiNESSE
Victor
1
Round 4
crashies
yay
FiNESSE
Victor
39
0
1
xffero
BME
9
Round 3
FiNESSE
yay
Round 8
Victor
yay
Round 15
Victor
FiNESSE
Round 17
FiNESSE
yay
Round 20
crashies
Marved
Round 22
crashies
Victor
Round 27
Victor
Marved
Round 29
Marved
FiNESSE
Round 34
yay
FiNESSE
2
Round 9
Victor
Marved
crashies
Round 28
yay
crashies
Marved
1
Round 25
FiNESSE
Marved
crashies
Victor
69
8
0
BerserX
BME
3
Round 7
Marved
FiNESSE
Round 30
yay
Marved
Round 34
crashies
Marved
33
1
2
fl1pzjder
BME
2
Round 7
yay
crashies
Round 33
Victor
FiNESSE
2
Round 10
crashies
FiNESSE
yay
Round 12
FiNESSE
Marved
yay
2
Round 7
crashies
Round 12
yay
40
4
2
Famouz
BME
blaZek1ng
BME
BerserX
BME
fl1pzjder
BME
xffero
BME
crashies
OPTC
4
3
+1
1
0
+1
4
0
+4
2
5
-3
6
2
+4
FiNESSE
OPTC
2
3
-1
4
1
+3
2
0
+2
1
3
-2
2
3
-1
yay
OPTC
3
2
+1
6
1
+5
4
1
+3
5
1
+4
2
4
-2
Victor
OPTC
2
6
-4
2
3
-1
2
1
+1
4
0
+4
1
2
-1
Marved
OPTC
4
3
+1
2
4
-2
2
4
-2
4
0
+4
3
1
+2
Famouz
BME
blaZek1ng
BME
BerserX
BME
fl1pzjder
BME
xffero
BME
crashies
OPTC
0
1
-1
0
1
-1
FiNESSE
OPTC
1
0
+1
yay
OPTC
0
1
-1
1
0
+1
1
1
+0
2
0
+2
0
1
-1
Victor
OPTC
1
1
+0
0
1
-1
1
1
+0
Marved
OPTC
0
1
-1
2
0
+2
Famouz
BME
blaZek1ng
BME
BerserX
BME
fl1pzjder
BME
xffero
BME
crashies
OPTC
0
1
-1
FiNESSE
OPTC
yay
OPTC
1
0
+1
3
0
+3
2
0
+2
2
0
+2
Victor
OPTC
Marved
OPTC
2K 3K 4K 5K 1v1 1v2 1v3 1v4 1v5 ECON PL DE
crashies
OPTC
5
Round 5
xffero
BerserX
Round 6
xffero
Famouz
Round 12
Famouz
xffero
Round 13
BerserX
Famouz
Round 18
BerserX
xffero
1
Round 4
fl1pzjder
xffero
BerserX
1
Round 11
blaZek1ng
73
1
1
Victor
OPTC
1
Round 17
Famouz
fl1pzjder
1
Round 18
Famouz
fl1pzjder
blaZek1ng
1
Round 18
fl1pzjder
blaZek1ng
46
0
0
Marved
OPTC
2
Round 15
xffero
Famouz
Round 17
BerserX
xffero
2
Round 8
fl1pzjder
Famouz
blaZek1ng
Round 11
xffero
BerserX
Famouz
66
0
0
FiNESSE
OPTC
1
Round 7
fl1pzjder
blaZek1ng
1
Round 3
Famouz
BerserX
blaZek1ng
52
2
0
yay
OPTC
2
Round 5
blaZek1ng
fl1pzjder
Round 6
fl1pzjder
blaZek1ng
3
Round 2
BerserX
fl1pzjder
Famouz
Round 7
BerserX
Famouz
xffero
Round 12
fl1pzjder
BerserX
blaZek1ng
1
Round 1
blaZek1ng
fl1pzjder
Famouz
BerserX
85
0
1
blaZek1ng
BME
1
Round 9
Victor
Marved
34
0
0
Famouz
BME
5
Round 6
Victor
FiNESSE
Round 10
yay
crashies
Round 11
Victor
Marved
Round 15
Victor
crashies
Round 16
Victor
FiNESSE
1
Round 14
Marved
FiNESSE
Victor
yay
63
1
0
xffero
BME
4
Round 4
Victor
FiNESSE
Round 9
FiNESSE
crashies
Round 13
yay
crashies
Round 16
yay
Marved
56
2
0
BerserX
BME
38
0
0
fl1pzjder
BME
1
Round 3
FiNESSE
yay
1
Round 13
FiNESSE
37
1
0
Famouz
BME
blaZek1ng
BME
BerserX
BME
fl1pzjder
BME
xffero
BME
crashies
OPTC
3
0
+3
6
5
+1
4
0
+4
2
1
+1
3
3
+0
FiNESSE
OPTC
3
0
+3
1
5
-4
3
3
+0
2
1
+1
2
0
+2
yay
OPTC
3
0
+3
2
3
-1
2
1
+1
6
0
+6
6
0
+6
Victor
OPTC
3
1
+2
1
3
-2
4
3
+1
2
3
-1
2
0
+2
Marved
OPTC
2
1
+1
2
2
+0
1
1
+0
3
2
+1
1
5
-4
Famouz
BME
blaZek1ng
BME
BerserX
BME
fl1pzjder
BME
xffero
BME
crashies
OPTC
2
0
+2
1
0
+1
FiNESSE
OPTC
1
0
+1
yay
OPTC
2
0
+2
1
0
+1
1
0
+1
Victor
OPTC
2
0
+2
0
1
-1
2
0
+2
1
0
+1
Marved
OPTC
0
1
-1
0
1
-1
Famouz
BME
blaZek1ng
BME
BerserX
BME
fl1pzjder
BME
xffero
BME
crashies
OPTC
FiNESSE
OPTC
yay
OPTC
2
0
+2
1
0
+1
1
0
+1
3
0
+3
2
0
+2
Victor
OPTC
1
0
+1
1
0
+1
Marved
OPTC
2K 3K 4K 5K 1v1 1v2 1v3 1v4 1v5 ECON PL DE
crashies
OPTC
2
Round 3
BerserX
Famouz
blaZek1ng
Round 15
fl1pzjder
xffero
blaZek1ng
1
Round 11
BerserX
xffero
fl1pzjder
Famouz
blaZek1ng
87
0
1
Victor
OPTC
4
Round 7
BerserX
xffero
Round 9
fl1pzjder
Famouz
Round 14
BerserX
xffero
Round 16
fl1pzjder
blaZek1ng
74
1
0
Marved
OPTC
2
Round 3
xffero
fl1pzjder
Round 6
fl1pzjder
blaZek1ng
1
Round 6
blaZek1ng
40
0
1
FiNESSE
OPTC
3
Round 4
fl1pzjder
BerserX
Round 13
Famouz
xffero
Round 16
BerserX
Famouz
1
Round 12
fl1pzjder
blaZek1ng
xffero
54
2
1
yay
OPTC
4
Round 2
xffero
fl1pzjder
Round 4
xffero
blaZek1ng
Round 6
BerserX
xffero
Round 14
fl1pzjder
Famouz
2
Round 5
fl1pzjder
blaZek1ng
xffero
Round 10
Famouz
fl1pzjder
xffero
1
Round 5
fl1pzjder
blaZek1ng
xffero
122
1
2
blaZek1ng
BME
5
Round 3
Marved
FiNESSE
Round 5
crashies
FiNESSE
Round 6
crashies
yay
Round 8
Victor
FiNESSE
Round 16
FiNESSE
crashies
1
Round 2
crashies
FiNESSE
yay
74
1
0
Famouz
BME
17
2
0
xffero
BME
2
Round 1
Marved
crashies
Round 4
Marved
crashies
32
4
0
BerserX
BME
1
Round 15
FiNESSE
yay
33
0
0
fl1pzjder
BME
1
Round 10
FiNESSE
Marved
36
1
0
Head-to-head
No previous encounters
Past Matches
Comments:
Show Pre-match
Threaded Linear
#171
ComradeVonAustria
0
Frags
+

lmfao boom actually won breeze

didnt expect this hope for 2-1 optic

#172
Botkiller69
3
Frags
+

India is brain dead stop with boom india pride or what ever it not funny dude cringe indian

#174
Valholl7
1
Frags
+

You expect too much from them lol

#175
crashhacker1
2
Frags
+

I can guarantee you, most of it is from non-indians who hate the region. also called false flagging.

#173
Melrose222
0
Frags
+

Round 8 why did the kayo defuse instead of chamber??

#176
sj67atg6
0
Frags
+

optic can’t beat sea first try

#177
Astar
0
Frags
+

nice pistol round throw by boom

#178
Nahboo
0
Frags
+

Who tf egg diablo?

#179
DahyeonSimp
0
Frags
+

8 4 to 8 13 . 8 is all they got, you guys got too much expectations for these BOTMS Esports

#180
trembolonaRage
-2
Frags
+

so ugly top watch victor's jett

mechanics just isnt there

#181
SigmaMale
0
Frags
+

Meanwhile he's top fragging. Wtf do you want

#182
ItsMeDio
2
Frags
+

losing, call tech pause?

so weird smh

#183
SigmaMale
0
Frags
+

Cry

#186
Derpp
0
Frags
+

ever thought why tech issue was a factor of optic losing? smh

#194
sj67atg6
0
Frags
+

but they aren’t losing

#184
daytona66
0
Frags
+

OpTic 2-0 so easily lol

When the money comes, I'll go to the restaurant and drink to victory.

#188
ComradeVonAustria
0
Frags
+

rebet on optic after m1 :D its gonna be 2-1

#190
daytona66
-1
Frags
+

i have 2-0 and 2-1 bets so even if OpTic somehow loses 1st map, they will still win the match

#185
ComradeVonAustria
-3
Frags
+

should be 13-10 boom they are far better than floptic

#189
KlobotXXL
9
Frags
+

everytime i saw optic playing, there's always a tech pause

#191
Skynersz
0
Frags
+

BOOM BOOM BOOM
SE INSCREVA
BOOM BOOM BOOM
CURTA
BOOM BOOM BOOM
COMPARTILHEEEE

#192
Alwock
0
Frags
+

BOOM 1 - 2 OpTic

#193
crashhacker1
9
Frags
+

I swear NA teams complain a lot when they start losing. I dont see these "tech pauses" as much for other regions.

#195
ComradeVonAustria
0
Frags
+

14-12 BOOM AHAHAHAHHA NA WHERE ARE YOU AT?????????????????

#199
Danny
0
Frags
+

Lmao

#282
MitiYa
0
Frags
+

Optic 13-3 BOOM AHAHAHAHHA APAC WHERE ARE YOU AT?????????????????

#196
trembolonaRage
-1
Frags
+

optic so lucky...

#197
daytona66
-2
Frags
+

14-12 OpTic go next map

#198
ComradeVonAustria
1
Frags
+

14-12 boom :)

#200
9zfanboy
-12
Frags
+

trash indians go back to poop on the street

#208
SigmaMale
2
Frags
+

Flag

#201
shzuo
1
Frags
+

Tehbotol???

#202
trola
1
Frags
+

MAKE IT STOP PLEASE

#203
RMDesai
4
Frags
+

32-30 Boom

#204
ComradeVonAustria
-1
Frags
+

17-15 CLOSE THIS OUT BOOM SHOW YAY AND CO THAT THEY ARE TRASH

#275
Zeref2709
0
Frags
+

Trash talking just because you when your bet. What a sad life brother

#205
legalalien
4
Frags
+

OPTECH GAMING

#206
number1_MIBR_hater
3
Frags
+

Yay kicked the CPU again to slow boom momentum... What a shame...

#207
shzuo
2
Frags
+

Optic always kick their computers on those moments to have another tech pause... Impressive.

#209
Derpp
22
Frags
+

now in 2066...
OPTC 300-301 BOOM
yay and marved retired and chet's two sons are playing
fns is still stuck with 9 kills
tehbotol reached 9999 kills and got banned
Victor and crashies went out to get steak with the other players

#210
peanutchin
3
Frags
+

Absolute banger Map 1. Tehbotol an absolute lanimal WTF!

#211
tinotastic
2
Frags
+

gee gee

#212
RMDesai
5
Frags
+

yay finally didnt kick the cpu and they lose

#227
number1_MIBR_hater
0
Frags
+

Plus one

#213
luckypleb
5
Frags
+

BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM
I WANT YOU ROOM IN MY
NIGHT LET'S SPEND TOGETHER
'TILL FOREVER TOGETHER

#222
viper699mw
0
Frags
+

Nice lyrics Yoda

#248
luckypleb
0
Frags
+

wait i thought i copypasted the right thing

#214
Kepin
4
Frags
+

It's a good day to be alive as Indonesian. It's midnight here but we don't give a fuck. Let's go BOOM!

#301
Hiccup
0
Frags
+

PepeLaugh

#215
daytona66
0
Frags
+

2-1 OpTic now

classic script for champions

#216
Alpac4
1
Frags
+

Optech losing

#217
driz
3
Frags
+

Tehbotol is back after long hibernation on LCQ

#218
ShibaInu
1
Frags
+

Viper diff

#219
911dot
-4
Frags
+

I will be honest I expected OpTic to 2-0 BOOM. That is a surprise for me.

#220
DatokSully099
1
Frags
+

TECH PAUSE MORE PLSS

#221
SigmaMale
3
Frags
+

This bottle guy is pretty good. What a debut

#224
Zeref2709
1
Frags
+

Fns...

#226
Prakerja
3
Frags
+

can you imagine 6.94 odds? lol

#232
daytona66
1
Frags
+

nope, 2-1 for OpTic still

#228
koeNN
5
Frags
+

Viper diff hard

#229
Mbappe
0
Frags
+

what

#230
ZeRUSia
9
Frags
+

9 kills in 34 rounds.. HOW?

#233
Derpp
4
Frags
+

classic fns moment

#239
starscream
0
Frags
+

common FNS L

#247
crashhacker1
0
Frags
+

that really is awful. crashies and victor were hard carrying

#231
keitagg
1
Frags
+

Maybe optic win’s if FNS atleast gets 10 skull emoji x7

#234
tinotastic
1
Frags
+

mask diff

#235
no_rice_no_life
0
Frags
+

Sosro: "ez free advertisement watched by 500k+ people lol"

#236
Serkann75
2
Frags
+

viper diff

#237
MitiYa
2
Frags
+

bruh, tech pause can make BOOM fans angry

#242
MitiYa
1
Frags
+

it's a tradition in their country ??

#251
KlobotXXL
-1
Frags
+

u mean its optic tradition to take a pause after losing rounds?

#257
MitiYa
1
Frags
+

they take a pause because there is a problem with the gear they are using, not because of fear or anything

#259
MitiYa
0
Frags
+

all the teams in the master, if there is a problem with what they are using, they will definitely take a tech pause

#238
BSII
1
Frags
+

FNS kekw

#240
kdr0ne
0
Frags
+

9 kills xD

#241
Zapkhiel
1
Frags
+

Optic kekw

#244
Gingzman
1
Frags
+

6.85
Hope boom win this

#249
daytona66
0
Frags
+

bruh)))

#245
masterX
0
Frags
+

First time Optic playing until round 34

#250
DahyeonSimp
1
Frags
+

unexpected first map, but still 2-1 for Optic

#252
Zeref2709
0
Frags
+

Boom picked attack first against OPTIC on BIND, yeah makes sense

#253
daytona66
0
Frags
+

2-1 for OpTic like i said, unlucky for BOOM, hope they will comeback stronger

#254
Jaynus
1
Frags
+

BME: 1 🆚 OPTC: 2

#256
SigmaMale
0
Frags
+

Yay 16-2 lol

#258
washeddiamondbot
0
Frags
+

ez clap 13-0 13-5

#260
trembolonaRage
1
Frags
+

dream is over

#261
rosso4000
3
Frags
+

bme doing a team secret????

#262
brahianv
2
Frags
+

This was optic best map lets not get ahead of ourselves well how goes in fracture i have not good feeling for optic in fracture.!

#263
daytona66
2
Frags
+

nt BOOM, i hope they wont be tilted after this 2-1 loss, hope they will make it to playoffs

#264
Zeref2709
-1
Frags
+

Boom might actually win fracture. Optic don't look good on that map

#265
markxxx
1
Frags
+

they banned heaven to play fracture. who knows

#267
brahianv
0
Frags
+

i mean they got 13-3 on by paper rex who know if fracture is that much better we will see.

#266
luckypleb
0
Frags
+

chamber diff incoming????

#269
heart3
0
Frags
+

Yay is a beast

#270
AdhesiveLizard
2
Frags
+

THE MOST WEIRDEST ACE EVER LMAOOOO

#271
shzuo
0
Frags
+

gg

#272
aozoraweiss
2
Frags
+

ANY ROPES MISPLAY IS NOW THE "BOOM INCIDENT" LULW

#273
Yasha1113
1
Frags
+

Ladies and gentlemen this game just made an epic Meme

#276
Zeref2709
8
Frags
+

Upvote if you want ComradeVonAustria gone from this site

#277
The_wick
-1
Frags
+

GG, nt boom Comeback stronger!

#278
9zfanboy
-10
Frags
+

CHOOSING ATTACK SIDE ON BIND YIKES THESE INDIANS 10 IQ

#279
kirrans9982
0
Frags
+

GG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#280
tinotastic
2
Frags
+

First game was to only scare the audience

#281
SigmaMale
-1
Frags
+

Stop underestimating optic already

#284
shzuo
-1
Frags
+

No one underestimate them lol

#289
SigmaMale
1
Frags
+

Scroll up

#288
NneonZz
3
Frags
+

i think its the opposite. People are underestimating smaller regions. EDG did really good, BOOM did really good, and then ZETA did way better than i expected against a top 4 team. these smaller regions are doing better than expected against better teams from better regions.

still hopium that zeta will qual

#283
Cheddar
0
Frags
+

Yay is just different +33

#285
SleepyBear
-1
Frags
+

GG see u in 3 days

#287
Botkiller69
4
Frags
+

BerserX is bad bro ..boom drop him plz from apac qualified he already bad

#293
Nahboo
1
Frags
+

True better SkRossi with Jett

#294
Botkiller69
-1
Frags
+

Hell nahhh bro

#299
equinozzz
0
Frags
+

KEKA

#290
FlyingDoggoWoweeClap3
0
Frags
+

GGs

#295
canopuszz
2
Frags
+

how did fns 9/24 and 90 acs in a 1h 47m breeze? tf

#300
masterX
0
Frags
+

Berserx have to be more consistent

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