DWG vs NTH? Battle of the favourites gonna be nice.
2-1 DWG in a close series
Phoenix, Yoru and KAY/O utility changes
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xnfri
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JoXJo
NTH
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BlackWiz
NTH
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Meteor
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Meiy
CR
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11
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14
10
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14
11
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9
13
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neth
CR
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13
8
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10
12
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5
6
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17
8
+9
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10
13
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rion
CR
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5
10
-5
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7
11
-4
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8
5
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5
10
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8
12
-4
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Astell
CR
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7
9
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7
10
-3
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13
6
+7
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4
8
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10
12
-2
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popogachi
CR
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9
9
+0
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6
10
-4
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7
17
-10
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6
10
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7
10
-3
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xnfri
NTH
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Derialy
NTH
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JoXJo
NTH
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BlackWiz
NTH
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Meteor
NTH
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Meiy
CR
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3
2
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2
1
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4
2
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4
2
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neth
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2
1
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1
0
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4
1
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2
5
-3
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rion
CR
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0
3
-3
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0
1
-1
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2
1
+1
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0
1
-1
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2
1
+1
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Astell
CR
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1
2
-1
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1
0
+1
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2
0
+2
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3
-3
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popogachi
CR
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1
1
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1
0
+1
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0
2
-2
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0
2
-2
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xnfri
NTH
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Derialy
NTH
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JoXJo
NTH
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BlackWiz
NTH
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Meteor
NTH
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Meiy
CR
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0
2
-2
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neth
CR
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1
0
+1
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1
2
-1
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rion
CR
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0
3
-3
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Astell
CR
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0
3
-3
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popogachi
CR
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0
1
-1
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rion
CR
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32
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1
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neth
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12
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1
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1
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1
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56
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6
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3
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popogachi
CR
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6
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1
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1
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40
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3
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0
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Meiy
CR
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11
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4
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2
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1
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61
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1
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2
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Astell
CR
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7
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2
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1
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1
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2
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1
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45
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14
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2
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Derialy
NTH
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11
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2
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57
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12
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1
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JoXJo
NTH
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10
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2
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2
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45
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12
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1
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xnfri
NTH
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10
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3
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1
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54
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1
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3
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BlackWiz
NTH
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8
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3
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1
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1
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54
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4
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0
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Meteor
NTH
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12
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1
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1
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1
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1
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61
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2
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1
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xnfri
NTH
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Derialy
NTH
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JoXJo
NTH
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BlackWiz
NTH
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Meteor
NTH
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Meiy
CR
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3
6
-3
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5
4
+1
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5
3
+2
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6
3
+3
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3
6
-3
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neth
CR
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6
3
+3
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6
5
+1
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3
2
+1
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6
2
+4
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4
5
-1
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rion
CR
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2
4
-2
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4
5
-1
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4
1
+3
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3
3
+0
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5
8
-3
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Astell
CR
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3
4
-1
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1
4
-3
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5
0
+5
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3
5
-2
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5
6
-1
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popogachi
CR
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5
3
+2
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2
5
-3
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3
3
+0
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2
8
-6
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4
4
+0
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xnfri
NTH
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Derialy
NTH
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JoXJo
NTH
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BlackWiz
NTH
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Meteor
NTH
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Meiy
CR
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1
1
+0
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1
0
+1
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0
2
-2
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2
2
+0
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1
2
-1
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neth
CR
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1
0
+1
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0
3
-3
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rion
CR
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0
1
-1
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1
0
+1
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1
0
+1
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Astell
CR
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1
1
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1
0
+1
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0
1
-1
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popogachi
CR
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1
0
+1
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0
2
-2
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0
2
-2
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xnfri
NTH
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Derialy
NTH
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JoXJo
NTH
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BlackWiz
NTH
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Meteor
NTH
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Meiy
CR
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0
2
-2
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neth
CR
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0
1
-1
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rion
CR
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0
3
-3
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Astell
CR
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0
2
-2
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popogachi
CR
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0
1
-1
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2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
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rion
CR
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4
Round 1
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Round 9
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Round 18
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Round 22
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42
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0
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0
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neth
CR
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6
Round 3
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Round 13
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Round 16
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Round 17
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Round 18
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Round 25
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Round 6
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1
Round 16
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58
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3
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2
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popogachi
CR
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4
Round 7
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Round 12
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Round 13
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Round 14
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Round 24
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34
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3
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0
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Meiy
CR
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6
Round 3
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Round 4
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Round 7
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Round 11
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Round 17
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Round 26
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Round 23
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Round 28
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1
Round 26
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53
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1
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0
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Astell
CR
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3
Round 4
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Round 10
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Round 22
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1
Round 19
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1
Round 19
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51
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5
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0
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Derialy
NTH
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5
Round 2
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Round 12
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Round 14
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Round 16
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Round 21
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Round 1
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49
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7
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1
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JoXJo
NTH
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1
Round 10
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1
Round 6
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31
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2
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0
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xnfri
NTH
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Round 11
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Round 12
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Round 16
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Round 28
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Round 27
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1
Round 27
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47
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1
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1
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BlackWiz
NTH
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4
Round 5
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Round 11
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Round 17
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Round 26
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Round 25
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1
Round 11
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48
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2
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0
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Meteor
NTH
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6
Round 3
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Round 6
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Round 8
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Round 9
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Round 10
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Round 28
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1
Round 20
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1
Round 10
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68
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1
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0
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xnfri
NTH
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Derialy
NTH
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JoXJo
NTH
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BlackWiz
NTH
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Meteor
NTH
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Meiy
CR
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5
3
+2
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5
4
+1
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5
5
+0
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6
2
+4
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3
4
-1
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neth
CR
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3
3
+0
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4
1
+3
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1
3
-2
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7
1
+6
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4
5
-1
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rion
CR
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3
3
+0
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2
2
+0
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3
0
+3
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2
5
-3
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2
2
+0
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Astell
CR
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4
3
+1
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2
3
-1
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6
2
+4
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1
2
-1
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4
2
+2
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popogachi
CR
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1
4
-3
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3
3
+0
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3
6
-3
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3
1
+2
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3
4
-1
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xnfri
NTH
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Derialy
NTH
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JoXJo
NTH
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BlackWiz
NTH
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Meteor
NTH
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Meiy
CR
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1
0
+1
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1
1
+0
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2
0
+2
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2
0
+2
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0
2
-2
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neth
CR
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1
0
+1
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4
0
+4
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1
2
-1
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rion
CR
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0
1
-1
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1
0
+1
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0
1
-1
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Astell
CR
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0
1
-1
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1
0
+1
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popogachi
CR
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1
0
+1
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xnfri
NTH
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Derialy
NTH
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JoXJo
NTH
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BlackWiz
NTH
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Meteor
NTH
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Meiy
CR
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neth
CR
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1
0
+1
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1
1
+0
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rion
CR
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Astell
CR
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popogachi
CR
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2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
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rion
CR
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3
Round 6
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Round 18
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Round 20
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40
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0
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1
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neth
CR
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4
Round 6
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Round 8
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Round 16
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Round 20
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63
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3
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1
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popogachi
CR
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2
Round 4
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Round 14
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49
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0
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0
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Meiy
CR
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2
Round 3
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Round 22
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Round 13
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2
Round 1
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Round 23
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56
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0
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1
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Astell
CR
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2
Round 10
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Round 11
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2
Round 12
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Round 19
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Round 2
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Round 14
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58
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7
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2
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Derialy
NTH
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4
Round 6
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Round 7
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Round 15
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Round 21
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57
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4
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0
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JoXJo
NTH
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4
Round 9
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Round 11
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Round 12
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Round 22
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1
Round 12
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51
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6
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1
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xnfri
NTH
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3
Round 12
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Round 15
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Round 22
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1
Round 14
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57
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0
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1
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BlackWiz
NTH
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1
Round 5
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39
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0
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0
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Meteor
NTH
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3
Round 1
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Round 10
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Round 17
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1
Round 21
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1
Round 10
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54
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0
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1
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xnfri
NTH
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Derialy
NTH
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JoXJo
NTH
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BlackWiz
NTH
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Meteor
NTH
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Meiy
CR
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2
2
+0
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4
2
+2
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7
1
+6
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2
6
-4
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3
3
+0
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neth
CR
|
4
2
+2
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0
6
-6
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1
1
+0
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4
5
-1
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2
3
-1
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rion
CR
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0
3
-3
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1
4
-3
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1
4
-3
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0
2
-2
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1
2
-1
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Astell
CR
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0
2
-2
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4
3
+1
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2
4
-2
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0
1
-1
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1
4
-3
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popogachi
CR
|
3
2
+1
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1
2
-1
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1
8
-7
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1
1
+0
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0
2
-2
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xnfri
NTH
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Derialy
NTH
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JoXJo
NTH
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BlackWiz
NTH
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Meteor
NTH
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Meiy
CR
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1
1
+0
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2
0
+2
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0
1
-1
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neth
CR
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1
1
+0
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0
1
-1
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1
0
+1
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rion
CR
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0
1
-1
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0
1
-1
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0
1
-1
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1
1
+0
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Astell
CR
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1
0
+1
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0
2
-2
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popogachi
CR
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0
1
-1
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xnfri
NTH
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Derialy
NTH
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JoXJo
NTH
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BlackWiz
NTH
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Meteor
NTH
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Meiy
CR
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neth
CR
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rion
CR
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Astell
CR
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0
1
-1
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popogachi
CR
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2K | 3K | 4K | 5K | 1v1 | 1v2 | 1v3 | 1v4 | 1v5 | ECON | PL | DE | ||
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CR
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1
Round 10
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15
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0
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0
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neth
CR
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2
Round 2
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Round 3
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1
Round 4
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46
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0
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0
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popogachi
CR
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1
Round 5
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37
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0
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0
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Meiy
CR
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Round 7
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Round 15
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Round 6
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74
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0
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1
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Astell
CR
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Round 2
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Round 3
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Round 2
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26
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2
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Derialy
NTH
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Round 17
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Round 18
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64
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JoXJo
NTH
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Round 1
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Round 12
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Round 16
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54
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4
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xnfri
NTH
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Round 9
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Round 11
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Round 13
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BlackWiz
NTH
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Round 6
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74
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Meteor
NTH
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CR 2-1 NTH
I do feel like the bad audio at SSA gave NTH the upper hand. Due to not having great comms to begin with, they weren't that affected by not being able to hear each other. Historically CR have consistently beaten NTH outside of LAN, but NTH now has international experience. It'll be a close series and can see it being 2-1 in either direction really.
No need to be hostile. Like I said, I feel like NTH benefitted from the bad audio during the LAN. If you give that argument any weight than the true record is 1-1, but with a long history of CR beating NTH before that.
I also gave credit to NTH for being able to pick up international experience and that giving them alot of improvement. I also said that I could see the series going 2-1 in either direction, but as my flair suggests I have a slight CR bias so I give it to them. So I don't think it's delusional.
Okay. First of all, CR has been losing to Nth 3 series in a row in the Stage 3 as you might know. But only the last match (Stage 3 playoffs lower final) was held in SSA, and other 2 matches were held ONLINE, not on LAN. This means your argument that CR have consistently beaten Nth outside of LAN is completely wrong. Btw im not gonna deny the audio issues affected the performance of CR side on the match at SSA, but I have to emphasise again that the other 2 matches where Nth won against CR were held online.
Second, it's true that CR were consistently beating Nth until the stage 1, but that really does mean nothing now because the roster of Nth was completely different last year (even a single player/coach isn't remaining now). CR still won once after the complete roster change of Nth, but after that Munchkin left CR and from then CR has not won a single series against Nth, simply because they lost their star player. Hopefully you learn much more about JP scene.
Lol it's funny how you always have to be hostile in some form, so passive aggressive man. I watch the Japanese scene exclusively for 2 years. And turns out I was right, 2-1 in a close series, just wish it went the other way lol.
I'm glad that NTH seems to have improved from their international experience. They're executes are much cleaner than when they only had JP experience. I'm also glad that even with that experience, CR have shown improvement as well, I feel like they're gelling a bit better. They still have a good deal to go before being able to compete with Zeta I feel like, but I think they stand well within reach for the top.
Personally, as a long time fan of the Japanese scene, I'm just happy that Japan is growing at such a stellar rate. I think that's something that both of us can agree on, don't you think? :)
Yeah I heard about EggsQQ saying that about Saitama! After watching how close this series was I'm just glad that it seems that Japan as a whole region has really grown so much.
I've watched it grow from the beginning when the casters were sat in front of just a green screen and a questionable desk lol. To now Japan being able to make it to top 3 at internationals. It's been a great journey so far :)
I feel like most people are starting to underestimate them since Munchkin left CR. Yes, they're not weak but not that strong either right now. If CR can beat NTH with this new roster, it will be one of a big achievement for them because they haven't managed to defeat them with this roster. I'm not saying that rion is weak or something, it's just Meteor is so strong and they together need to do something about this.