After looking closer at them, they seem unbeatable right now. They play every single map at an absurdly high level, and they learn extremely fast so they’re almost guaranteed to win any rematch. They have yay and Marved (the best chamber in the world rn and one of the best smokes players and lurkers), Victor, who’s more inconsistent but when he’s popping on neon and other entry agents elevates their performance incredibly. They have crashies who’s insane in the clutch, and FNS, probably the best caller in the world right now. Someone take me down a notch cause I don’t see them losing to ANY team worldwide in a Bo5.
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FYI im an NA fan,
Optic are looking pretty good right now but you can't you dont see them losing to them ANYONE. I think a really good match would be FNC vs Optic would be a godlike match, they are both looking so good, as well as FPX vs Optic, and DRX vs Optic. I think if we see those matches than the games will be bangers of serious but tbh outside of those teams and Loud from brazil. I hypothetically COULD agree with this take. But there are just so many other good teams right now in the world.
This the best I got:
- Being at the top makes you a target everyone will be studying the shit out of Optic and never taking them lightly, it could also encourage less grinding.
- Sometimes they're inconsistent as team regardless of individual performances, they are only human.
- Think back to Optic Vs. The Guard, Loud, Xerxia, X10, V1 as well as the Gambit game in 2021. In some cases you don't get rematches...
- P4P the competition is increasing so teams like Fnatic and Loud could also level up to compete and beat them.
- Furthermore, Marved had some ridiculous clutches at Reykjavik, which cannot be maintained in EVERY game
I think - Also they have a weak Icebox and Fracture compared to their other maps, which are Fnatic's best maps.
Some of these are speculation, some not, but Optic are a great team this the best I got lol
Glaciate05 [#11]This the best I got:
- Being at the top makes you a target everyone will be studying the shit out of Optic and never taking them lightly, it could also encourage less grinding.
- Sometimes they're inconsistent as team regardless of individual performances, they are only human.
- Think back to Optic Vs. The Guard, Loud, Xerxia, X10, V1 as well as the Gambit game in 2021. In some cases you don't get rematches...
- P4P the competition is increasing so teams like Fnatic and Loud could also level up to compete and beat them.
- Furthermore, Marved had some ridiculous clutches at Reykjavik, which cannot be maintained in EVERY game
I think- Also they have a weak Icebox and Fracture compared to their other maps, which are Fnatic's best maps.
Some of these are speculation, some not, but Optic are a great team this the best I got lol
Great points tbh. I just wanna see the best Optic against any international team and not the inconsistent one(very rare recently but it happens).
I definitely think, both teams FNC and Optic, playing at their absolute best would be the best match in Valorant rn. Like, DRX vs Optic which was crazyy
Glaciate05 [#11]This the best I got:
- Being at the top makes you a target everyone will be studying the shit out of Optic and never taking them lightly, it could also encourage less grinding.
- Sometimes they're inconsistent as team regardless of individual performances, they are only human.
- Think back to Optic Vs. The Guard, Loud, Xerxia, X10, V1 as well as the Gambit game in 2021. In some cases you don't get rematches...
- P4P the competition is increasing so teams like Fnatic and Loud could also level up to compete and beat them.
- Furthermore, Marved had some ridiculous clutches at Reykjavik, which cannot be maintained in EVERY game
I think- Also they have a weak Icebox and Fracture compared to their other maps, which are Fnatic's best maps.
Some of these are speculation, some not, but Optic are a great team this the best I got lol
"it could also encourage less grinding."
defintely not the case with optic
egg80085 [#13]"it could also encourage less grinding."
defintely not the case with optic
Yep, at least for now this isn't close to happening by any angle.
egg80085 [#13]"it could also encourage less grinding."
defintely not the case with optic
It's why I said could, that point was very speculative
JustEnjoying [#12]Great points tbh. I just wanna see the best Optic against any international team and not the inconsistent one(very rare recently but it happens).
I definitely think, both teams FNC and Optic, playing at their absolute best would be the best match in Valorant rn. Like, DRX vs Optic which was crazyy
Yeah me too, there is a big gap between Optic and Fnatic and other teams in their regions atm
Glaciate05 [#11]This the best I got:
- Being at the top makes you a target everyone will be studying the shit out of Optic and never taking them lightly, it could also encourage less grinding.
- Sometimes they're inconsistent as team regardless of individual performances, they are only human.
- Think back to Optic Vs. The Guard, Loud, Xerxia, X10, V1 as well as the Gambit game in 2021. In some cases you don't get rematches...
- P4P the competition is increasing so teams like Fnatic and Loud could also level up to compete and beat them.
- Furthermore, Marved had some ridiculous clutches at Reykjavik, which cannot be maintained in EVERY game
I think- Also they have a weak Icebox and Fracture compared to their other maps, which are Fnatic's best maps.
Some of these are speculation, some not, but Optic are a great team this the best I got lol
I’d say their fracture isn’t weak at all but I totally agree in general. Teams like Fnatic and Loud are definite competitors and ofc optic could go out by playing two different teams.
babysasuke [#12]No such thing as "too high" on Optic
They are the best team in the world by miles, not unbeatable, just better
any team can lose on any day it's better not to look at teams like they're invincible, even ones as good as Optic
zardinez [#17]I’d say their fracture isn’t weak at all but I totally agree in general. Teams like Fnatic and Loud are definite competitors and ofc optic could go out by playing two different teams.
No yeah that's totally fair it's just post-Reykjavik they played Faze & Sentinels on it and I whilst they won I thought it wasn't as strong as their other maps, but they haven't lost on it this year I think so I am happy to take it back with more evidence.
weferf [#19]Can't see? After all the upset that happen regularly in this game? Not even when Fnatic play highest form and Optic play lowest form on a certain day? Wait until masters before saying anything you hype thirsty american, no offense
There are teams that could theoretically beat Optic, but Fnatic isnt one of them
babysasuke [#22]There are teams that could theoretically beat Optic, but Fnatic isnt one of them
Babysauske moment
trembolonaRage [#24]They have a lot of weakeness.
Im pretty sure they would lose to any of the EMEA teams and to DRX and even to LOUD in a bad day
I don’t think they lose to current M3C or guild. Fnatic, definitely maybe.
trembolonaRage [#24]They have a lot of weakeness.
Im pretty sure they would lose to any of the EMEA teams and to DRX and even to LOUD in a bad day
Can’t that be said for any good team tho?
Kiko [#26]unfortunately for you, babysasuke is correct here
You don’t see any world in which fnatic beats optic??? They’re looking really strong rn, I think it would be an even match.
zardinez [#28]You don’t see any world in which fnatic beats optic??? They’re looking really strong rn, I think it would be an even match.
i mean optic is by far, and i mean really far, the best valorant team in history. faze second. so no
Glaciate05 [#11]This the best I got:
- Being at the top makes you a target everyone will be studying the shit out of Optic and never taking them lightly, it could also encourage less grinding.
- Sometimes they're inconsistent as team regardless of individual performances, they are only human.
- Think back to Optic Vs. The Guard, Loud, Xerxia, X10, V1 as well as the Gambit game in 2021. In some cases you don't get rematches...
- P4P the competition is increasing so teams like Fnatic and Loud could also level up to compete and beat them.
- Furthermore, Marved had some ridiculous clutches at Reykjavik, which cannot be maintained in EVERY game
I think- Also they have a weak Icebox and Fracture compared to their other maps, which are Fnatic's best maps.
Some of these are speculation, some not, but Optic are a great team this the best I got lol
Did you just say their 2 best maps are their weakest???
Kiko [#29]i mean optic is by far, and i mean really far, the best valorant team in history. faze second. so no
Current iteration of FNC maybe finishes top 8, I dont see it though
YvngKurry [#27]Can’t that be said for any good team tho?
If Yay breaks his wrist and Trembolona has to fill in for him at Masters, FNC might stand a chance.....if victor also has covid
Glaciate05 [#20]No yeah that's totally fair it's just post-Reykjavik they played Faze & Sentinels on it and I whilst they won I thought it wasn't as strong as their other maps, but they haven't lost on it this year I think so I am happy to take it back with more evidence.
Well I mean to be fair though both sen and faze have decent fractures and also optic really looked like they were only going at 60% during the group stage. There is a stark contrast between their match in the playoffs and their matches in the groups. It was similar as well for stage 1 where they really didnt look too good in the groups but then in the playoffs they stepped it up A LOT (other than the C9 match, that shit was a nightmare to watch). And the same pattern repeats in that the lesser important match being the grandfinals seeding game, they played at a visibly noticeable less than 100%
zardinez [#25]I don’t think they lose to current M3C or guild. Fnatic, definitely maybe.
FPX looks solid too.
egg80085 [#13]"it could also encourage less grinding."
defintely not the case with optic
we cant say anything rn cause for all the teams that have won LANs, they havent fallen off immediately. It has taken time. I mean SEN literally won challengers again after iceland so it isnt very indicative just yet the fact that optic are still playing well
Kiko [#23]crazy how tsm would beat acend
tsm might have a chance against navi/big but lets be honest would still lose
Hewcho [#2]optic is best NA no cap
is it me or in like Lan when crashies clutches he doesn't get hype enough he always has such a nonchalant face
egg80085 [#13]"it could also encourage less grinding."
defintely not the case with optic
Optic is winning not streaming
JustEnjoying [#10]I think exactly the same but then I think I'm just fanboying too hard
Thank you for being real and stating you might be biased (don't think that's a problem)
symbols07 [#39]Open your eyes there are many regions in world
Do you think PRX or DRX will beat Optic?
zardinez [#42]Do you think PRX or DRX will beat Optic?
i can see PRX doing it since they have such an insane mechanical peak and a very different style from what most teams are used to, DRX is a more setup heavy team which optic can and will prepare for very well, so ironically i think PRX is the likelier of the two to upset
imo their playstyle seems to rely very heavily in winning 50/50 duels so its gonna be hit or miss in high pressure scenarios like masters, I think fnatic would wipe the floor with them atm and guild/fpx/acend/m3c could beat them, they are a great team but overhyped, btw they have never won a map against european teams, I think this is kinda normal since their playstyle works well against teams who are not that tactical/fundamentally good as european teams but again european teams it will hardly work
REMINDER TO EVERY1 OF HOW FAR AHEAD EMEA WAS IN CHAMPS, MASTERS 1 THEY WERE HARD NERFED, MASTERS 1 TEAMS ARENT THAT GOOD, ITS JUST AN ILLUSION
idkbro [#46]imo their playstyle seems to rely very heavily in winning 50/50 duels so its gonna be hit or miss in high pressure scenarios like masters, I think fnatic would wipe the floor with them atm and guild/fpx/acend/m3c could beat them, they are a great team but overhyped, btw they have never won a map against european teams, I think this is kinda normal since their playstyle works well against teams who are not that tactical/fundamentally good as european teams but again european teams it will hardly work
REMINDER TO EVERY1 OF HOW FAR AHEAD EMEA WAS IN CHAMPS, MASTERS 1 THEY WERE HARD NERFED, MASTERS 1 TEAMS ARENT THAT GOOD, ITS JUST AN ILLUSION
This is so cap they do a lot more than just "win aim duels". Look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENQRxQdKalk
zardinez [#25]I don’t think they lose to current M3C or guild. Fnatic, definitely maybe.
Gambit already looks like a different team than they were a week ago, if they qualify and have a month to fix their issues they can go back to being one of the best teams in the world.
babysasuke [#26]vouch
OPTIC HAS NEVER BEAT AN EU TEAM // OPTIC HAS NEVER BEAT AN EU TEAM // OPTIC HAS NEVER BEAT AN EU TEAM // OPTIC HAS NEVER BEAT AN EU TEAM
TECHNE [#50]OPTIC HAS NEVER BEAT AN EU TEAM // OPTIC HAS NEVER BEAT AN EU TEAM // OPTIC HAS NEVER BEAT AN EU TEAM // OPTIC HAS NEVER BEAT AN EU TEAM
Maybe EU teams should stop getting knocked out by APAC then idk
zardinez [#48]This is so cap they do a lot more than just "win aim duels". Look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENQRxQdKalk
this is very macro, they have understanding of how to play the game but at the end of the day they are heavily relying on 50/50 fights
Glaciate05 [#11]This the best I got:
- Being at the top makes you a target everyone will be studying the shit out of Optic and never taking them lightly, it could also encourage less grinding.
- Sometimes they're inconsistent as team regardless of individual performances, they are only human.
- Think back to Optic Vs. The Guard, Loud, Xerxia, X10, V1 as well as the Gambit game in 2021. In some cases you don't get rematches...
- P4P the competition is increasing so teams like Fnatic and Loud could also level up to compete and beat them.
- Furthermore, Marved had some ridiculous clutches at Reykjavik, which cannot be maintained in EVERY game
I think- Also they have a weak Icebox and Fracture compared to their other maps, which are Fnatic's best maps.
Some of these are speculation, some not, but Optic are a great team this the best I got lol
Fracture is arguably their best map.
JustHunter [#30]Did you just say their 2 best maps are their weakest???
Icebox is 100% not Optic's strongest map and if you think that you are delusional
HiImRibby [#52]Fracture is arguably their best map.
Yeah but they haven't gone 100% on it since Iceland and Fnatic are insanely good at Fracture, it is the only other map I am confident Fnatic have a good chance at winning on besides Icebox, maybe Bind too.
Don't get me wrong though I am not saying they aren't S-tier at the map, but considering they don't have a bad map specifically, I just think there is something there for Fnatic to exploit (only Fnatic) there
Glaciate05 [#54]Yeah but they haven't gone 100% on it since Iceland and Fnatic are insanely good at Fracture, it is the only other map I am confident Fnatic have a good chance at winning on besides Icebox, maybe Bind too.
Don't get me wrong though I am not saying they aren't S-tier at the map, but considering they don't have a bad map specifically, I just think there is something there for Fnatic to exploit (only Fnatic) there
They're 100% on it since their new comp w/ victor on the neon. Their last loss on it was to c9 back in stage1 (old comp). I hear ya tho - Not saying fnatic can't beat em on it.
idkbro [#46]imo their playstyle seems to rely very heavily in winning 50/50 duels so its gonna be hit or miss in high pressure scenarios like masters, I think fnatic would wipe the floor with them atm and guild/fpx/acend/m3c could beat them, they are a great team but overhyped, btw they have never won a map against european teams, I think this is kinda normal since their playstyle works well against teams who are not that tactical/fundamentally good as european teams but again european teams it will hardly work
REMINDER TO EVERY1 OF HOW FAR AHEAD EMEA WAS IN CHAMPS, MASTERS 1 THEY WERE HARD NERFED, MASTERS 1 TEAMS ARENT THAT GOOD, ITS JUST AN ILLUSION
I usually don't comment on this stuff but idk if this is just a bait or whatever, Idk how you can that they only rely on winning 50/50 aimduels. All I want you to do is just go back into Sliggy's(former coach for liquid) vods on his twitch and listen/watch him break down how Optic won against EG like 2 days ago. He goes in-depth and explains the little micro and macro of what Optic did, or you can go back and watch any game over Optic that sliggy reviewed. Then comeback and maybe you're answer will change. I'm not calling you stupid or anything cause I'm a respectful guy and I usually dont comment but I just don't believe that you are being serious and if you are hopefully those sliggy reviews could change your mind. Have a good day bro <3
PoloSway [#58]I usually don't comment on this stuff but idk if this is just a bait or whatever, Idk how you can that they only rely on winning 50/50 aimduels. All I want you to do is just go back into Sliggy's(former coach for liquid) vods on his twitch and listen/watch him break down how Optic won against EG like 2 days ago. He goes in-depth and explains the little micro and macro of what Optic did, or you can go back and watch any game over Optic that sliggy reviewed. Then comeback and maybe you're answer will change. I'm not calling you stupid or anything cause I'm a respectful guy and I usually dont comment but I just don't believe that you are being serious and if you are hopefully those sliggy reviews could change your mind. Have a good day bro <3
I am mainly talking about them in Challengers 1/masters1, havent watched NA this split but I dont really care about what sliggy says, he is too much of a nice guy, he wont say in a stream what he really thinks or what flaws there is with their gameplay, its only me that thinks this about optic, high tier analysts have pointed this out for months, even in 2021, its not really a flaw because you can still win if you are in top form but if not you are fucked, sliggy only really explains some general macro/micro aspects of who he is analyzing in an easy way for an unknowledgable audience, he never goes in-depth with the way the other teams fundamentally play imo
PoloSway [#58]I usually don't comment on this stuff but idk if this is just a bait or whatever, Idk how you can that they only rely on winning 50/50 aimduels. All I want you to do is just go back into Sliggy's(former coach for liquid) vods on his twitch and listen/watch him break down how Optic won against EG like 2 days ago. He goes in-depth and explains the little micro and macro of what Optic did, or you can go back and watch any game over Optic that sliggy reviewed. Then comeback and maybe you're answer will change. I'm not calling you stupid or anything cause I'm a respectful guy and I usually dont comment but I just don't believe that you are being serious and if you are hopefully those sliggy reviews could change your mind. Have a good day bro <3
Yeah exactly lmao. They do rely on winning duels but so does every other good team in a tac FPS. Optic is generally very good about making sure they take duels in their favor tho.
babysasuke [#56]Maybe EU teams should stop getting knocked out by APAC then idk
iceland is a mickey mouse tourney,no one should be proud of winning a event with eu nerfed that hard
werZy [#57]derke + friends and aspas + supports are coming for you
ahahah this was funny come to brazil
zardinez [#60]Yeah exactly lmao. They do rely on winning duels but so does every other good team in a tac FPS. Optic is generally very good about making sure they take duels in their favor tho.
the difference is: optic needs to be in TOP form or their playstyle crumbles, generally emea top teams the way they are structured is that if you are in TOP form its a big plus but if you are in superb form it doesnt affect them as much, optic crumbles with mid form, emea top teams crumble with m3c vs liquid chronicle throwing stim beacon to dreamas type of form
idkbro [#63]the difference is: optic needs to be in TOP form or their playstyle crumbles, generally emea top teams the way they are structured is that if you are in TOP form its a big plus but if you are in superb form it doesnt affect them as much, optic crumbles with mid form, emea top teams crumble with m3c vs liquid chronicle throwing stim beacon to dreamas type of form
Nah I'm not gonna bother arguing with this. EMEA teams are not substantially better than Optic, Loud, and PRX and I'm not gonna pretend like they are.
TECHNE [#50]OPTIC HAS NEVER BEAT AN EU TEAM // OPTIC HAS NEVER BEAT AN EU TEAM // OPTIC HAS NEVER BEAT AN EU TEAM // OPTIC HAS NEVER BEAT AN EU TEAM
eu teams never got far enough to even verse optic. smh
EntryKJ [#67]Do look closely at Fnatic and DRX as well.
If drx get past 4th place I'll pay attention, till then they'll just be the best looking team that never makes it :(
trembolonaRage [#69]aged well bro
LMFAOOO TREMBO THIS IS A VLR OVERREACT MOMENT
At least wait till the first map is over!!
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