imo if m3c manages to make it to LAN they'll be contenders but getting there is the hardest part
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imo if m3c manages to make it to LAN they'll be contenders but getting there is the hardest part
Liquid have 2 amazing op players who put up good numbers when playing chamber yet still don't abuse him. Sliggy mentioned the other day on his stream he tried to get Nivera to play it more but he chose to play cypher instead most of the time, it's just a matter of preference i guess. do think they would benefit from putting literally anybody on chamber but i guess it ain't Liquid comps if they don't stray away from the meta
there's a very specific chain of events that need to happen, most of which is out of SEN's control so it's INCREDIBLY unlikely they'll qualify. most likely they'll have to play through LCQ which I they have already qualified for (?)
id assume so? Gambit has not stated they have sold/dropped the roster, only that they have allowed them to play under a different name to continue competing + most members still have Gambit socials/banners on their profiles
id assume so? Gambit has not stated they have sold/dropped the roster, only that they have allowed them to play under a different name to continue competing + most members still have Gambit socials/banners on their profiles Fuck wrong comment
d3ffo, gets a lot of shit for his stats but i think hes a very interesting player
and the rest of m3c ofc
probably fnatic vs sen final, dont remember watching much before iceland but it also couldve been some random liquid match
i hate this take so much. Gambit didn't win masters 1, masters 3, placed 2nd at Champions in 2021 for everybody to harp on d3ffo's performance at any loss (or win, for that matter). Nobody on their team is a problem, they have been together for well over a year now and their synergy is incredible, unless they place last at challengers and never make a LAN ever again there is no reason for them to have a roster change. it would only hurt them, in my opinion. Sure, there are probably dozens of pros that have better stats than d3ffo but his place on the team is not to drop 30 kills every game, his role is simply to make space and to let GMB use as little utility as possible - if he gets 1, 2 kills he has done his job perfectly, but even if he doesnt he gives his 4 other teammates the best opportunities to trade him and explode onto a site. I agree, his perfomance last stage was especially lackluster (you could put that down to his health problems, or not) but he was a great player last year, like I said, they didnt have all those achievements for nothing..
think fokus will take 1 map off acend but acend will ultimately win, will be close though imo
Not at all what i said... this list is incredibly harsh and a lot of these players arent even overrated, most overperformed in 1 tourny then as soon as they aren't aceing every round the whole world jumps on their asses and acts like they're the worst players to step on this planet.
he's having impact every round you dumb fuck
his chamber is looking super clean, suppose he prefers the tps since its like old jett + op and deagle
idk, a lot of emea teams saw success using neon
lakia was the best player on nuturn and was barely given a shot on DRX yet still performed the same as the rest. he cant carry a t2 team to victory, its a team game
h1ber isnt a t1 player imo hes t2-t1.5 yet he outperformed nearly the entirety of fnc at masters. vit together less than a month, they're not gonna 13-0 everyone.
tenz go kill doesn't work anymore but he can still aim but sentinels as a whole is the problem, not just tenz
Have you even looked at Lakia's stats whilst being on DRX and NUTURN? he was arguably the best player on NUTURN and played at the same level as his teammates on DRX but played 3x less than them all. 1 good player can't carry a t2 team through qualifiers, no shit he can't win anything if his teammates don't know how to shoot back. Poor team performance IS an excuse for poor performance, it's a team game, you can't solo carry in it.
H1ber is t2-t1.5 talent, I doubt he is on anybody's top20-top30 tier list, he was given a shot to fill on one of the best EU teams and yet literally performed better than nearly all of them, he is now working his way up alongside his NEW teammates. they have literally been together less than a month, do you expect them to 13-0 every team they meet?
Tenz continues to put up numbers but Sentinels as a whole is failing, for the 100th time he is not no1 but he is still an amazing player with some of the best mechanical skill in the game. He is not to blame for Sentinels fall and you can't expect him to drop 40 kills every game. Why do you think t1 players compliment his skill continuously?
Lakia barely played on DRX as he was a 6th man, he played fine with them when given the chance as a flex/support. on his current team which looks pretty dogshit, he still top frags on agents like sova, what more do you want him to do? He can't magically make a t2 team t1. NUTURN was proof he can put up numbers, through KR qualifiers and the masters event he was at the top or near the top, it wasn't "1 cool round", he was a flex player who did his job, not a flashy player..
How on earth are you going to judge a player who hasn't been in the pro scene for over a year? SO much has changed in that time, you'd be braindead to say his ranked performance would be the same as his match performance. Ranked =/= Pro play, has this not been said a thousand times?
Vitality being a new team is a perfectly feasible excuse. you look at teams like Optic, Gambit, Acend etc who you could consider/would've considered the best in the world at some points and they didn't start off dominating everybody, they had rough patches but ultimately came out on top due to hard work. Not to say you don't have teams who start off dominating everyone like The Guard, Sentinels, arguably 100T. All teams start differently before finding their real place, judging them at the start of their creation is always gonna lead to disappointment.
Tenz does his job as a duelist, he was arguably the reason they even made it out of open quals. Like i said, he's not a no1 player but i would still place him among the top 10/15 BECAUSE of his mechanical skill which can make him a demon. If you're gonna make a list like this you might aswell have the entirety of Sentinels on here as their whole team is inconsistent. He has proven himself as a top tier player on multiple occasions but their entire team is in a rut right now.
Lakia barely got to play at his tournaments, there was such a small amount of showing of his skill and as far as i can see he is now on a t2 team due to no fault of his own, he was never given the same opportunities on DRX as NUTURN. yet when he actually got to play on a real team like NUTURN they got 3rd at Reykjavik. You literally can not judge Sinatraa, unless you want to look at his ranked matches. he has not played on a team since February last year, stop shitting yourself. Vitality as a whole is shitting the bed right now, they're a new team with a new roster. like i said, give him some time. In all of SEN's recent games Tenz has been at the top or near the top of the leaderboard, whilst I agree he lacks some fundamentals its obvious he has incredible mechanical skill and some of the best aim in NA - teams literally still say SEN is scary when Tenz is turned on. he's not the best in NA clearly, but he still puts up numbers as shown in his matches.
Trent is still a good player, it just seems the whole of guard has a mental block right now which might lead to them not qualifying this time around but its too harsh to say he "fell off", they just overperformed last event.
Keloqz doesnt have the same support as when he was on g2, i think this should reflect more on the fact if you have a solid team you'll get solid results as a player and if you're on heretics you're doomed to fail - its still very hard to break out of t2 imo.
Steel, as dumb as it sounds, is a good igl imo. yeah he hasnt had any recent results but you cant deny the fact when 100thieves were at their peak he definitely played a part in it.
Lakia was a great player, but he was forced into being a 6th man and barely had any playtime. wish we couldve seen more of him at both Berlins.
Sinatraa hasn't been in the pro scene for over a year, can't say he's overrated or underrated especially because the reason he isn't getting picked up by a team isn't due to his skill...
Tenz is an amazing jett player, his downfall is he can barely play any other agents and lacks most things except aim. not to mention SEN still isn't bootcamping and i assume he is still playing in LA - BUT he still puts up good numbers, not the best in NA but still among the ranks imo.
H1ber had a quick shot playing on one of the best EU teams at an incredibly important event where their best player wasn't even allowed to play. he tried his best for the situation, let the guy get his footing before judging him.
Not too familiar with many other people on this list but you're all so quick to judge players after having a few bad results. everything is constantly changing in Valorant, we haven't even seen a team stay no1 for a period of time, let alone a player. one bad performance doesn't define a player, which is what you're basing half your list on, people are so focused everytime someone makes a bad play and wonder why their favourite pros become demoralised.
didnt emea play neon before optic? or just optics specific comp is being taken
tbh both times g2 has made it to LAN they have "underperformed" to an extent
this is so dumb, each team would probably 2-0 in their respective games.. could argue maybe cs pros would have a slight advantage since a lot play val on the side but you could also argue some val pros would have an advantage since many played csgo before and were t2/t3. impossible to make an assumption imo
dont think it plays a massive factor, unless someone has an insanely good or really shit reaction time it wont play a big role. 190ms here but silver - you could have crazy good reaction time but the shittest aim ever or bad reaction time and still make up for it with insane aim.
blast x looks good but i feel like im shooting nothing when using it. really lives up to its name lol
imo fnc 2-1 oglu, think they can take 1 map off fnc but the 3rd map will heavily favour fnatic.
m3c/gmb maybe 2-1 navi, still think they need to get themselves together a little more but navi also look to be struggling so itll be interesting. cis vs cis as always : )
sentinels of light vandal and oni phantom
true, but i wouldnt get my hopes up yet. i do expect them to make playoffs though
wouldnt say dominant.. they faced probably the weakest team in their group but they look okay, especially having lost their coach
m3c (they bounce back and have a clean playoffs run)
acend (new roster looks nice, good individual players & i think theyll just scrape by and qual)
guild (they have the group stage of their lives, falter a little bit in playoffs but ultimately qualify)
4th to fnatic, 1-2 to guild in lowers very close game but comes down to who has been together as a roster longer. Script is written!
sucks they changed the masters slots from 16 -> 12 :/ i get that champions is supposed to be the larger event with more teams but it wouldve been cool to see 16 at masters and maybe even more at champions. 12 is such a small amount especially when theres only 3 international events in a year
literally almost impossible to tell who would win... even though they are an amazing and very stragetic team, optic has had a rough time against EU teams in the past and we havent seen FPX against ANY international teams yet, let alone an NA one.
people underestimated guild because of their early exit of playoffs but forget they a pretty good run in groups and were rated S on so many peoples' tier lists and favourites coming in to stage 1. i imagine they faltered last qualifier because of being a newish roster but theyve had a lot more time to prepare this time around and are definitely something to write home about, very strong stream with good individual players. first game of the event, anything goes. just gotta say gg go next
ofc its not an excuse but it doesnt remove the fact bootcamping increases a teams success and some teams benefit off bootcamps more than others.
yeah thats really fucked, just assumed since theyre still technically under gambit theyd still be able to bootcamp but ig not :( thats really tough
mbmb, completely forgot that they cant bootcamp. really sucks for them :(
completely forgot about that, just assumed since theyre still under gambit technically theyd still have a place to bootcamp. that sucks
id hope m3c not bootcamping has something to do with not being able to rather than purposefully not. bit weird from them since 90% of other times they have bootcamped and it definitely looks like its showing in their gameplay, bootcamping is so important to a teams success
true...
dont think theyd specifically pick copenhagen unless they have something planned out for CIS teams, especially since they said "Our goal is to see our biggest international events played in front of a live audience and both of these cities provided clear pathways towards this goal, while also providing the best possible guarantee that all qualified teams will be able to safely attend and compete."
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