Unfortunately I don't think that's happening, from how all teams are playing it's likely TRACE will even beat BLG
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Unfortunately I don't think that's happening, from how all teams are playing it's likely TRACE will even beat BLG
Yeah they were trying to lean into fan backlash/pressure to play like they did with S1mon, when the meta has already changed - the current map pool is even worse for double init and the game today was the first time they have tried moving away from that (apart from the one vs Trace where they tried to move nobody off of init instead, which didn't work)
It wasn't much his fault as much as role problems were
Jieni is playing really well though
EDG was already shit with s1mon, they were getting worse in CN and scrims while with him. You just don't have any idea what you're talking about - if Simon was still on this team he'd have to flex onto either smokes/sentinel, viper or yoru. How do you think that would work out?
Have you perhaps considered due to meta changes that they were already falling off with simon, they were forcing the same double init comps from champs that were no longer meta, it was bound to cause issues for them. In CN and scrims, they were slowly looking much worse over time. S1mon has to either flex smokes, sentinel, viper, or yoru if he was still on this team
Role issues, double init is not really viable (except for 1 or 2 maps)
On all other maps where only one init is ideal, it either forces zjc onto an uncomfortable role or nobody off of initiator (what they did against trace, and did not work). Nobody seems to call and perform the best when playing init, and kk seems to coordinate better that way too
Jieni is able to flex more than zjc, at least for now. If zjc learns all roles jieni does and plays them better, we could potentially see him back. But if jieni works for them, it's likely they'll stay with him - and that may be wise
TYL is very good, that is not the bare minimum lmao
It wouldnt really work cause of the meta, double init isn't great rn. He'd have to be able to flex either smokes/sentinel or yoru
I think its fine, smoggy plays all roles very well. It makes more sense because he flexes better than jieni does
Ok after watching the match I understand, double init is no longer meta (at least on most maps). The init-duelist chemistry is not there when nobody is not on initiator, so keeping zjc doesnt work for them because of role issues. If zjc learns to play the roles that jieni must fulfill (omen rn) then potentially he may come back. But honestly if edg does well with jieni and these new roles then it might be wise to stick with him
zjc might be back later, I doubt they'd add him and try him for only this amount of time. I hope this is just an exception and not them actually going back to jieni
I lowkey wanna see Tyloo make champs too
Happens mainly in rural areas/low tier cities
the rub is often done by young kids who don't understand much
usually not racism, just curiosity - racism still exists though like anywhere else but interactions are usually friendly, not out of malice
in Shanghai they don't really gaf, they just go on with their day
they just need time, they weren't great when s1mon first joined either
Lysoar is usually their best player statistically (in CN), this is pretty normal tbh
WOL has never been great in CN, the one time they were able to make an international was when EDG was missing. Their playstyle is structured but gets countered by CN, while matching up better against international teams. Check WOL's history in CN
I think WOL might not even win a single game ngl
They updated their api on the CN client since April, so ratings can be calculated
I read that Muggle isn't suited to organising double duelist, not that I even know what that means. They seriously need a coach change either way, EDG looked like they haven't even practiced getting used to the new roles/meta. Like where are the set strats?? drills? So confused whats going on
Perhaps, did not expect Scales to be so insane. Thoughts on ninebody? I feel like he's been so washed all year
You really do have to watch all the teams to know, I don't have the time for that and I doubt most do.
But I will say:
It's more of a whole team issue, they had to rely on kk way too much to make space
People been wanting slowly since ages ago, has nothing to do with zjc
Atp does muggle even get them to practice set strats, like I swear EDG have barely any
No his aim's pretty bad, most people can have 'good' aim every now and then, the problem is consistency. And consistently he has more bad than good aim. Also did you watch bangkok ðŸ˜, he had the worst in the whole tournament. Frequently not hitting shots on players who were either stood still, not looking at him, or full flashed (by him). It was a pain to watch
You do realise KK was incredible way before S1mon even joined the team right? He doesn't need enemies to be stunned/blinded to get kills, literally every event before 2024 is proof of that. The current problems isn't related to a support initiator, it's the whole team not playing well. Typical vlr reaction after one game
I really hope EDG can find a good new coach, Kicking AfteR wasn't enough they need to hire a new coach, I just don't know who would even be available
Yeah ik, that's included in the "struggling" part, whatever the reason is - they were not doing well with S1mon, and he wasn't playing in his typical form. It would be even worse to try and stick with S1mon with all the internal conflict present, chemistry was suffering
Zjc has insane aim, support is usually quite good too. You'll know if you watched TYLOO, just give him some time
Bro you know EDG made more changes than S1mon right? They kicked head coach, changed IGL to nobody, and switched comps. Why do people think S1mon was the only change they made. Nobody's IGL was fucking insane in champs, he hard read all the teams. They're not struggling because they kicked S1mon, they kicked S1mon because they were struggling. You will understand if you watch some of their CN matches when they still had S1mon, they were already falling off
Yes but that is not due to solely s1mon, believe it or not there are like ten other factors which can cause that.
Correlation doesn't equal causation, have you not considered that EDG made those changes because they were already having issues. You obviously haven't watched VCT CN, S1mon stopped being proactive on initiator, without those precomms EDG alr looked out out of champs form. If they stuck with S1mon they'd be just as bad as they are now. And that's a whole team issue, not blaming S1mon
You might just be a prophet
20 assists on ascent lets go hfmi
Berlin you better not troll again
Wait this is huge for NOVA, monk is a big upgrade for init
They started to fall apart before losing s1mon, tons of internal conflict. You can read all about it. They just need any good init player and they'll be back, nobody IGL and different coach were the biggest changes for them
W Wolves
why not
that was not the biggest reason it's a common misconception but s1mon was definetely a big factor. Nobody IGL and coach change is what changed EDG
They just need any good initiator and they'll be back in form
he does actual choreographies bruh
Also I just noticed you said
but it's quite obvious the gap in talent between the top Chinese players and the rest of the players in the region is massive.
You are basing this off of what? How does this have any correlation to what you were saying just before this, and who do you even consider as the top chinese players and who is "the rest"? CN is a region with tons of out-of-nowhere, up-and-coming rookies, who many times over just the course of a few months have got to the "top". Trust me CN is not lacking talent for sure, I highly doubt you watch CN enough to say this, can you tell me who are the up-and-coming rookies rn in the region?
How does that change the fact that the team just sucks ... they don't have one player and the team implodes? That was the main point of my post
Now you're just trying to save face. Are you sure you're not trying to change your main point now? You seem to have forgotten that the post is literally titled "XLG is shit regardless of YOU being there or not" and you did not show any disagreement to that. Instead, you say:
A spade is a spade. A team that loses one player and implodes, isn't a good team
Clearly you're aligning with the OP, and I think for anyone reading your comment (even in isolation) they'd interpret it that way - that the team isn't good in general BECAUSE it only took losing one player to implode. Especially because of the way you phrase it, and when the rest - more than half of your original comment - is a counterargument to the people who are at XLG's defence, such that XLG is still to blame and the fact they picked the sub disregards any other idea that they weren't at fault.
Also your original analogy doesn't even work - your statement after "A spade is a spade" is supposed to be far less ambiguous and isn't even a valid comparison to the obvious, as we've distinguished that there are many circumstances where it may not be true - such as this one for XLG, the language barrier being the biggest issue, but also for any team it highly depends on who you lose and when exactly, etc.
And here's your supposed main point now
Without YOU, they suck
Clearly it's changed. This point is such an obvious that has so little substance to it that there's no point in saying it.
and you slipped right by it (the main point) without even adressing ... they still fucking suck right now
Well if it's that they suck right now then why do I even have to address that? Clearly XLG sucked, I watched them too, and I think anyone can tell even just from the scoreline and stats. The emphasis isn't here, it's elsewhere.
Have you considered that sometimes people are placed in situations such that they are almost out of options? You have no idea what you are talking about, the reason they picked Midi is exactly because they couldn't find someone better. They lost YOU due to unexpected circumstances so close to Toronto that they either had to sign someone already with a Canadian VISA, or find a F/A within a few days. For that reason they picked up Midi who was just released from Trace, they also don't have the money like EDG does to make huge buyouts. Like how are you so confident despite not even knowing the details. And you realise who specifically they lose is quite important right? YOU was like a second caller and responsible for setting Rarga up, Midi played everything YOU did and fit into the role where others did not. Sure losing a sentinel, duelist, or recon init won't implode the team but your flash ini and their chemistry with the duelist is not easily replacable with such limited time.
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